2/3rds of the Angels Stood by us, do you appreciate that?

Originally posted by Sippy Cup
reply to post by HardyWhite

 

Interesting I like that idea….always good to think outside the circle. Now I don’t recall being in heaven and rebelling against the creator, “BUT” however maybe our memories were erased so we had to live a new choice! Would we fall again or would we make the cut this time? We humans do think of ourselves as gods~!

You know what is a totally different topic but we have been held back by the god of the bible every time man advances.
Could be the devil in sheeps clothing , but you have to wonder is it the same way I would hold my son back from a loaded pistol, until he is older and wiser to understand the dangers of such knowledge? Ask yourself.

Nice. I could certainly understand the theory.

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by AQuestion

 

It speaks great volumes to know they stood by us. Your question is painful because I'm not sure anymore if we love our neighbour, fellow human brother and sister the way we should know love to be. It is very thought provoking and telling more about us as individuals on our faithful path. Thought provoking indeed and I suppose laden with guilt.

edit on 11-8-2011 by Egyptia because: (no reason given)

Dear Egyptia,

Please do not give up on us, we can learn so much more, we can even learn to be more loving. God would not tell us to love our neighbor as ourselves if we already did, I believe he told us that so that we could no what we were capable of. I also believe guilt, like fear, is just a beginning, acceptance and love is where we should be heading. Be well and know you are loved.

reply to post by newcovenant


Dear newcovenant,

What is

And it is all about you... is it not?

Please tell me or at least tell me why you are non-responsive to the questions.

Originally posted by Sippy Cup

Originally posted by ProphecyPhD

Originally posted by HardyWhite
reply to post by Sippy Cup

 

We could be the 1/3 of angels, made into Human form. And the others will be coming not to battle Lucifer's angels, but US!!!

All angles.

that is EXACTLY what i posted

whats your deal man

Well if he is a troll and your always responding to him and not to what I responded to you on page 3, then what are you ? A bridge!

reply to post by Boreas


Dear Boreas,

Great, you said,

As for why they rebelled, it really depends on what source we're talking about. Some accounts claim they didn't really 'rebel', but were thrown out for disobeying God (Book of Enoch, for example), others that they refused to bow down before man out of hubris (Islam), and still others that Lucifer wanted to be God (Latter Day Saints).

Perhaps you missed where I said I was talking to Christians. The book of Enoch is not biblical, Islam and Mormons are also not in agreement with Christianity, why ask me to agree with anyone, I do not ask you to. I ask a question of those who believe as I do, that there is a God, a Christ and angels.

Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by AQuestion

 

No, I didn't say they had free-will at all. You must of misinterpreted by post. Don't worry I'm not good at writing. What I did mention though is what if Satan did eat from the Tree of Knowledge. I share my view of angels with Jews who do not believe angels have free-will.

Dear ManOfGod267,

Here is a quote from you:

Being an angel Satan has no free-will. Since angels can only know good and praise god, and also can never die.

Please explain to me what you did mean because to me it sounded as if you said they had no free will.

Um... you guys are arguing the same point.

reply to post by HardyWhite


Eh? I have only been replying. I will chit-chat with you guys about this topic tomorrow. Night guys!

reply to post by AQuestion


That was wisdom right there!!!! Wise person AQuestion . Kinda like all of us here …at work we will act a fool at work but when the boss is around we tend to settle down, and its out of fear because the boss is higher than us.

Originally posted by Boreas
As far as free will is concerned, I will share something from a book in my library by Gustav Davidson titled "A Dictionary of Angels - Including the Fallen Angels". It states the following:

It is Church doctrine, as it is the doctrine of angels, like human beings, were created with free will the moment they were formed. At that moment, we are told, they were given (and had to make) the choice between turning toward or away from God, and that it was an irrevocable choice. Those angels that turned toward God gained the beatific vision, and so became fixed eternally in good; those that turned away from God became fixed eternally in evil. These latter are demons, they are not the fallen angles (an entirely different breed of recusants which hatched out subsequently, on Satan's defection). Man, however, continues to enjoy free will. He can still choose between good and evil.

Interesting..

reply to post by SaturnFX


Dear SaturnFX,

If he is not able to be defeated, then how can it be possible that the angels, that hung with him for an eternity, not know this? the logic is off overall just on the premise.

Firstly, the angels did not live with him for eternity they are also created. Secondly, do you have some scripture that says how quickly they learn and evolve because humans take a long time, why should I assume angels learn faster?

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Dear LightAssassin,

Firstly, I do hope you understand why I asked why you picked the name, I am cautious and willing to listen to answers. As for our beliefs, they truly differ and that is okay, shall we agree to see each other follow our own paths and beliefs, I hope so.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by HardyWhite

 

Dear HardyWhite,

Thank you for recognizing that I do not treat you as a troll, I know when I am being played and I did not accuse you of such, I also know what I believe and will tell anyone that asks, I think that is fair.

As far as I know, christ hasnt returned... so nobody HAS been left to waste.some religions say 144,000. The jews are also known as Gods chosen people. I don't really have my own ideas on this, but I would imagine there is a chosen people, more rightly a God for all people... For each race and religion.. there may be ONE above said Gods, and He may be who most in the Judeo/Christian beliefs refer to.. but honestly.. there is no knowledge I could attain in life that would make me fully and faithfully understand 'God'

I cannot say what would make you fully and faithfully believe in or understand God. I can say this, if it forced you to believe, if it caused you to have no free will in the decision then I would vote on you choosing for yourself whatever that choice might be. I am concerned with what is right, not what is wrong and I believe God gave us free will, I believe we are more than robots or biological machines, I believe sentience is the nature of God. You do not have to agree or accept what I believe, I don't ask such a thing of others because I really like free will and the right and ability to define myself.

I was raised catholic and christian. To believe in God. I don't say that I don't.. I would like to, but in the biblical sense, I can't faithfully believe in Him. I respect your beliefs, I just seek knowledge. I never said I don't believe in God, I just believe in a different way.. And I can't accurately describe my feelings on such.

Originally posted by ManOfGod267
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Well angels are created to do only good. Praise God and act as messengers. Doing different task throughout the bible. Talking with people, tempting people and so on. Angles are basically like robots who are faithful to their creator and cannot comprehend free-will like man does.

Dear ManOfGod267,

We disagree, be well.

Originally posted by NeoAlef2012
Ok..Imagine this, you are in a bus wreck...16 out of 17 people die, yet you live. Why? Coincidence or did God believe that you could wake people up? All of us have experienced things out of our natural world. What have you experienced?

I have had an experience similar. Sans bus wreck.. But when i woke up,
I had an overwhelming feeling that there is some reason.

The feeling remains.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by Boreas

 

Dear Boreas,

Great, you said,

As for why they rebelled, it really depends on what source we're talking about. Some accounts claim they didn't really 'rebel', but were thrown out for disobeying God (Book of Enoch, for example), others that they refused to bow down before man out of hubris (Islam), and still others that Lucifer wanted to be God (Latter Day Saints).

Perhaps you missed where I said I was talking to Christians. The book of Enoch is not biblical, Islam and Mormons are also not in agreement with Christianity, why ask me to agree with anyone, I do not ask you to. I ask a question of those who believe as I do, that there is a God, a Christ and angels.

Friend:

You have mail, a U2U.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

reply to post by HardyWhite


NO your def not a troll! *thumbs up You came to the board as someone looking for answers and putting out good questions…
And you aint bashing, prophecyPHD says you plagiarized his post!!!! Maybe so but I didn’t catch it.

Prophecy Phd speaks with “A MATTER OF FACT” and speaks with hate in his/her heart…read his/her profile.
You’re a staple on this thread…

Im here with a good buzz on and bout to end this till I can get my brain on the right path!

Originally posted by ChungTsuU

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by Boreas

 

Dear Boreas,

Great, you said,

As for why they rebelled, it really depends on what source we're talking about. Some accounts claim they didn't really 'rebel', but were thrown out for disobeying God (Book of Enoch, for example), others that they refused to bow down before man out of hubris (Islam), and still others that Lucifer wanted to be God (Latter Day Saints).

Perhaps you missed where I said I was talking to Christians. The book of Enoch is not biblical, Islam and Mormons are also not in agreement with Christianity, why ask me to agree with anyone, I do not ask you to. I ask a question of those who believe as I do, that there is a God, a Christ and angels.

Friend:

You have mail, a U2U.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

Wish I knew what the U2U said! lol. sorry...

Originally posted by Sippy Cup
reply to post by HardyWhite

 

NO your def not a troll!

*thumbs up You came to the board as someone looking for answers and putting out good questions…
And you aint bashing, prophecyPHD says you plagiarized his post!!!! Maybe so but I didn’t catch it.

Prophecy Phd speaks with “A MATTER OF FACT” and speaks with hate in his/her heart…read his/her profile.
You’re a staple on this thread…

Im here with a good buzz on and bout to end this till I can get my brain on the right path!

edit on 11-8-2011 by Sippy Cup because: wrong click

Hehe. Me too!!

reply to post by HardyWhite


Dear HardyWhite,

I was raised catholic and christian. To believe in God. I don't say that I don't.. I would like to, but in the biblical sense, I can't faithfully believe in Him. I respect your beliefs, I just seek knowledge. I never said I don't believe in God, I just believe in a different way.. And I can't accurately describe my feelings on such.

I too was raised Catholic, I left the church at 12 and spent a decade being an agnostic. I don't know what you believe and please never allow anyone to pressure you to accept what they believe, I think the journey is what it is all about and I applaud anyone who follow their journey rather than attempts to tell others what journey is right for them. Be well.

reply to post by AQuestion


I think we should be ethical. Do good to others. At least try to!

I think that there is too much lying being done in the world.
I think there's too much injustice.

i think no matter the religion, race, creed, etc.. We as a people should be united and working together to advance ourselves intellectually AND spiritually.

My belief is in a God of all things, who gave simple messages that were misinterpreted by our physical languages.

God may be within us. But I really can't define God.. And I know of none who can.