Clouds on Mars- NASA's Exciting Video Evidence

reply to post by JibbyJedi


How did you determine the sky was blue from black and white images?

Anyway, these clouds prove that surface water can't exist on Mars, it instantly vaporizes and dissipates into the atmosphere, and eventually into space, unless you have videos of it raining on Mars.

Here's a demonstration of water to gas on Mt. Washington.

"Clouds Mars" produces a few hits.
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Clouds have been observed on Mars since quite a while before Phoenix. In 1997 Pathfinder returned many images of a variety of clouds.
mars.jpl.nasa.gov...

In 2008 Phoenix also observed snow falling from those clouds but the snow did not reach the surface.

The presence of water on Mars has been established since the 1960s (at least). It is the presence of liquid water which is open to debate. The atmospheric pressure is too low to allow it to last for long before evaporating and turning into...clouds of ice high in the atmosphere. The atmospheric pressure is so low that the falling snow evaporated without ever melting (sublimated).

Wait, didn't they mock people who said other planets/moons had clouds and other stuff and they are not just barren?

But now they are starting to claim all these "discoveries" for themselves?

Gallelio effect again?

reply to post by JennaDarling


Is there a quote to the mocking you're describing? The atmospheres of the majority of the planets in our solar system are nothing but clouds and haze. Speaking of terrestrials only, Titan and Venus are so cloudy you can't even see their surfaces from space.

reply to post by butcherguy


Fair enough.

Cool pics OP.
Noticed something though.
In the 2nd link, There seems to be something of the round shiny nature in the sky on frame "141".
Dare I say it? .......yes I do......UFOOOOOOO!!!!!!

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Man i could swear in one of those pics on the mountainside was an egyptian statue of a pharoah. As an archeologist it certainly does have such a resemblance and ive never seen anything intrinsic to nature that could produce an egyptian statue on another world. Surely that cannot be coincidence? I know Zechariah Sitchin would be howling at the moon since he believes that the egytpian pyramids were built by creatures called anunnaki, and that the face on mars is an anunnaki generals tomb.

Those pics truly are fascinating. You can even see the statues hat and beard just the same as you would on a pharoahs statue in egypt. Then again its a pic and could easily be photoshopped...ah well the mystery goes on!

Originally posted by Talltexxxan
Cool pics OP.
Noticed something though.
In the 2nd link, There seems to be something of the round shiny nature in the sky on frame "141".
Dare I say it? .......yes I do......UFOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Inconclusive evidence. You couldnt say for sure what you saw unless you were standing there. I did see an object, but it could have easily been a meteor or a moon. Mars' atmosphere is thin enough you would be able to see the moons in broad daylight.

On another note, i wonder how many nuclear bombs it would take to heat mars' core enough to melt its core and make the magnetosphere stronger (provided it has a heavy nickel/iron core like earth)?

Originally posted by Dashdragon
reply to post by JennaDarling

 

Is there a quote to the mocking you're describing? The atmospheres of the majority of the planets in our solar system are nothing but clouds and haze. Speaking of terrestrials only, Titan and Venus are so cloudy you can't even see their surfaces from space.

reply to post by butcherguy

 

Fair enough.

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An intersting thing about Titan. It has a methane atmosphere and it rains methane with methane lakes, fun little thing to think about. Methane is produced from biological entities that die and decay, or pass gas from eating certain foods. Apparently there must have been life on titan at some point, maybe massive amounts of life. Plants or animals or both. You wouldnt know for sure unless you could get a team of archeologists there to investigate, provided the pressure from titan didnt kill you first.

reply to post by snewpers


NASA now freely admits (ok, not freely admits, but by NASA standards it's as good as!) there is flowing, liquid water on Mars..announced in the last few days.

They are calling it 'Brine' though, but would anyone argue that the Dead sea isn't liquid water? That's Brine too.

A year or two ago, i can think of a few members here that would had a field day ridiculing any other member for saying there was liquid water on Mars..probably did too.

Here's a link: www.space.com...

I don't believe the phoenix lander ever landed on Mars. I think the thing was hoaxed and we are receiving pictures from some where on Earth. Phage pointed out how Mars has a very low atmospheric pressure. If that is true then how did the phoenix use a parachute to slow down enough to survey it's landing?

reply to post by lowundertheradar


Where there are clouds there is water and oxygen. There are ancient texts that describe ancient nuclear wars, written 5000 years ago example "The Mahabharata". It is hypothesized that Mars was destroyed in a nuclear war leaving the planet a dessert. Which leads me to remember the mars pictures of the underground cavern systems and the theory that survivors went underground.

It is hard to believe anything Nasa says anymore. They seem to tell us what ever we are mandated to not know. Why was it necessary for them to show Mars as a red planet? Was it to try and convince us that it was an uninhabitable dead planet?

reply to post by Egyptia

Mars is red.
Haven't you ever seen it in the night sky? Why do you think the Romans named it Mars (the Greeks, Ares), their gods of war? It's red, like blood.

Have you ever seen it through a telescope?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Methane is also formed in various other ways.

However, other purely geological processes, like oxidation of iron, also release methane. "Right now, we don’t have enough information to tell if biology or geology -- or both -- is producing the methane on Mars," said Mumma. "But it does tell us that the planet is still alive, at least in a geologic sense.

However, it is possible a geologic process produced the Martian methane, either now or eons ago. On Earth, the conversion of iron oxide (rust) into the serpentine group of minerals creates methane, and on Mars this process could proceed using water, carbon dioxide, and the planet's internal heat. Although we don’t have evidence on Mars of active volcanoes today, ancient methane trapped in ice "cages" called clathrates might now be released.

www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/marsmethane.html

I left out all of the life form generated information. It looks like you have that covered..........I think we need more information to actually see what is going on........

There could be microbacterial life , but there could not be either.......We will have to see........That is if you want to trust NASA......Personally, from reading this article I posted, they are excited about life on mars. I do not understand why people say they are lying about it.

Thanks for the pics op. I enjoy looking at them........I enjoy this topic.....S&F from me.

ETA: Here is a snip on Titans methane. Since i replied to your post about Titan...Sorry.

The question of how much liquid is on the surface is an important one because methane is a strong greenhouse gas on Titan as well as on Earth, but there is much more of it on Titan. If all the observed liquid on Titan is methane, it would only last a few million years, because as methane escapes into Titan's atmosphere, it breaks down and escapes into space. If the methane were to run out, Titan could become much colder. Scientists believe that methane might be supplied to the atmosphere by venting from the interior in cryovolcanic eruptions. If so, the amount of methane, and the temperature on Titan, may have fluctuated dramatically in Titan's past.

www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/cassini-20080213.html

reply to post by Phage

So the entire planet is covered in iron oxide but where does it come from? Is there evidence that the planet was covered in volcanoes? There would have had to be a significant amount of water to jump start the oxidation process in that case. Does the vast amount of iron come from meteorites? If so it would not have needed so much water for the oxidation.

Again, not sure how much we really know.

Originally posted by snewpers
Cool

Too bad the Phoenix Mars Lander is broken (according to NASA).

Looks like more water is present than they like us to believe.

Yes, supposedly it stopped working in 2008 according to the link?

Then why have they been keeping these dramatic cloud animations from the public until 2011?

reply to post by liejunkie01


I saw that article too,

It looks like it is still something of an enigma, in Mar's case it is the concentration in certain areas that makes the interest, then there is the seasonal aspect which is also the same period for the release of theorised liquid water, and even that, (new?) is becoming less of a theory.
How does all this fit in with the Primordial soup theory,

Methane (CH4)

Ammonia (NH3)

Water (H2O)

Hydrogen (H2)

No Oxygen

except that it seems there was no Methane, or Ammonia. Methane seems to be after the fact then, so then there is this big runaround about Methane, is it a product of bacteria only, or can it really be produced geochemically, or reproduced blah blah. The higher forms of life can't live in a dominant Methane atmosphere anyway, (that's why I sleep above the sheets)

IMO, I think they will eventually come to the conclusion that Mars still has a molten core of some sort, (rock, gravity=friction= marsquakes=activity, and that the thinking is from dust it will return.

Originally posted by lowundertheradar
Martian Clouds Above Phoenix- 1

Dark Skies and Clouds Move in at Phoenix Site

Ice Clouds in Martian Arctic (Accelerated Movie)

Nightime Clouds in Martian Arctic

To me, this amount of water vapor appears in excess of what we've always been led to believe; that Mars is a cold, dry and harsh planet that cannot support life. Perhaps through the careful dribbling of information such as this, the mainstream scientific communities paradigm is being shifted towards possibilities, far, far different?

I've performed three searches on this subject here at ATS and have come up empty handed, so if these vid's already have an associated thread, my apologies to all!

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When will we realise they've known this for years, and they may have even colonised Mars...I've read they have done this, in fact, and the Moon (colonised as well, possibly with ET's, as with Mars) and Mars were given codenames, Adam and Eve respectively.

Interesting...
In this video, my 8 year old daughter said there was a bug flying around. If you watch the land closely, not the sky...you'll see what looks like a little bug zipping around. What is that?

www.nasa.gov...

Looks like some NASA guy was out back filming the clouds in his back yard
testing out a new camera.
Just saying.

Originally posted by Ventessa
Interesting...
In this video, my 8 year old daughter said there was a bug flying around. If you watch the land closely, not the sky...you'll see what looks like a little bug zipping around. What is that?

www.nasa.gov...

If you zoom in real close,like on tools on your browser and the page zoom,you will see
several "artifacts" appear and disappear.