London riots spreading to Birmingham, Leeds

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Originally posted by Wo0kiEE

Originally posted by Acidtastic
Looks like it might soon be time for normal folk to get out of their houses and sort this mess out. Some vigilante action is what is needed. I'm all for buring banks and government buildings in a riot, but not peoples homes. And this has a real chance of spreading like wildfire over the whole country. Time to tool up and be ready.

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Quote: "Hundreds of Turkish shopkeepers take to the streets in north London to defend their businesses"

How long before others follow suit?

Not long, but then they will running the risk that hte police will arrest them for protecting their properties and communities. I hope that the communities that do decide to do this kind policing will be left alone by police and politics.

doubt we'll get any riotting around here in Stoke which is a shame as the place is a dump and a few fires wouldnt half help to make the place look better

reply to post by KhaliWitch


What city are you in by the way? Im lucky, im round 30m from birmingham, so closest to me was walsall. I cant see it getting bigger than last night to be perfectly honest, they may try and kick start but i recon it will fuzzle out after a while.
It realy is unfair though how they're sending all the police to London, and cameron just goin on about London. Reminds me of one of the most annoying thing about England, no one of importance/power every think of anything else other than god damm London!

Originally posted by Trolloks
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What city are you in by the way? Im lucky, im round 30m from birmingham, so closest to me was walsall. I cant see it getting bigger than last night to be perfectly honest, they may try and kick start but i recon it will fuzzle out after a while.
It realy is unfair though how they're sending all the police to London, and cameron just goin on about London. Reminds me of one of the most annoying thing about England, no one of importance/power every think of anything else other than god damm London!

I live in Rijen ( it's small village in the Netherlands), but my roots are in Hartlepool.
I know exactly what you are talking about, you only see London, but no other cities, while the impact in the smaller cities is far more greater than the impact on London.
Cameron is nothing more than a moron, who thinks that his "home" is more important than others!

Originally posted by cheesyleps

The majority of this generation seems to think that they are entitled to everything instantly.

Bingo!
This is not the arab uprising. It is not a desperate and hungry populace. It should be noted that many rioters were wearing good gear and tweeting into their blackberries! This is not to deny the poverty in some of those areas. But we have had harder times and people didn't react like this.
Sorry to sound like a golden oldie but I've lived in a house with newspaper for carpets and curtains and a camping gaz to cook on and I've done a fuill time and a part time job to make ends meet.
Some of those kids wouldn't recognise true hardship if it bit them on the nose.
But this isn't about hardship anyway. It's about a generation expecting and wanting everything instantly and brought up without any respect for anyone and anything. It's about parents not taking control. It's about these louts knowing they can get away with it.

The police reaction or lack of it is beggining to show just how much they rely on peoples "agreement" to be law abiding citizens, what can they do when thousands of people decide they have had enough?.

They stand there, pick off the easy ones, defend where they can and let it happen.
The police have a lot to answer for, they should not have shot that guy in the way they did, this is going tot go completely out of their control over the next few days.
All it needs are a couple of events in other countries to spark off the masses and then it would begin in earnest, the police should be thankful that no one is out organising the rioters in a tactical way, this is the difference between kids having a laff and playing up because they are p*ssed off and angry, and a full blown attempt a revolution.
Just hope that some well educated jihadis or anarchists dont throw a false flag of their own and make it look like the police, i mean, who would believe the police right now.

Everyone who is defending the government remember this, 7/7 was done by some aspect of government, they killed their own people, they lost the right to rule in that attack, which bit of government?.
well it wasn't tony bliar that gave the go ahead, the masters holding bliars strings, the real government, gave the go ahead.

I'm ashamed these people rioting cannot think beyond personal gain in this, i hold no political views, im not even an anarchist, people say you have to be an anarchist if you have utopian ideals, well i am a utopian, the people will not need anarchy as all that means is "government has lost control", no in my utopia, there never was nor ever will be government, just utopia.
I hold no political ideals or views, utopia is not a system, it is the way life on earth was meant to be.

I believe it will return at some point, probably after freedom has been won and lost a few times and run into blind alleys again, it will happen when everyone says it isn't working, its not worth fighting for, im already free, lets just go home, and mind our own business.

this will take an ELE to achieve and a couple of very well placed asteroids........hehehe

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Unfortunately you are utterly and completely right and I absolutely agree with you.
I am living on € 350 ( after I've paid insurances, rent, electric, gas, water, television, internet and Health Insurance) every month and this is a family of three ( one child aged nine, one male adult working fulltime and me working 15 hours a week( not working now due to school holiday and no money to pay for daycare)). Do you think we have the newest in everything? Not that I would want that anyhow.

Originally posted by captiva
I cant help wonder why on earth the police are standing off them...Saturday night the looters had 12 hours to get what they wanted before police made a move....If this was the US I would be saying its all being encouraged to use the patriot act, martial law and Fema camps.

At the G summit meetings we saw what the met can do, but IMO they have an agenda in not tangling with the looters.

Respects

The police are standing off them because the police have no power, and with the human rights act, its protecting theses people something rotten

Originally posted by davenah

Originally posted by captiva
I cant help wonder why on earth the police are standing off them...Saturday night the looters had 12 hours to get what they wanted before police made a move....If this was the US I would be saying its all being encouraged to use the patriot act, martial law and Fema camps.

At the G summit meetings we saw what the met can do, but IMO they have an agenda in not tangling with the looters.

Respects

The police are standing off them because the police have no power, and with the human rights act, its protecting theses people something rotten

Quite true, over here we are not even allowed to punch a burglar to scare him/her out of our home, if we do we get sent to jail and the burglar is allowed to walk free!

The response from the government is pitiful. Cameron has ruled out the use of water cannons, rubber bullets and the army and the number of police wil be increased from 6000 to 16000. So basically we'll have 16,000 cops standing around and watching instead of 6000, while London and the rest of the country burns to the ground.



While London burns, I bet Mr Cameron spent the first hour of the Cobra meeting showing them a power point presentation of his holiday snaps.

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It's the same here, there have been a few documented cases of this recently where a guy protecting his house from 2 invaders stabbed one of them with the knife that they were using to threaten him with & he was arrested... Think he was let off but even so. I remember a few years back a burglar managed to injury himself falling from a window of a house he'd broken into & he sued the owners of the property....

PC & Human rights gone crazy

Originally posted by kindred
While London burns, I bet Mr Cameron spent the first hour of the Cobra meeting showing them a power point presentation of his holiday snaps.

Do you think that would include the picture of him in his work shoes & no socks? I was impressed with that fashion faux pas

Originally posted by Wo0kiEE

Originally posted by kindred
While London burns, I bet Mr Cameron spent the first hour of the Cobra meeting showing them a power point presentation of his holiday snaps.

Do you think that would include the picture of him in his work shoes & no socks? I was impressed with that fashion faux pas

Owww now you've gone and made me sick....... I have got a very vivid imagination and I can see it as clear as day!

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Well if this helps?

i.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by kindred
The response from the government is pitiful. Cameron has ruled out the use of water cannons, rubber bullets and the army and the number of police wil be increased from 6000 to 16000.g showing them a power point presentation of his holiday snaps.

Yes and some of those 16,000 will be drafted in from other areas. What are those of us in these other areas going to do when the trouble moves to us? There are not enough police to go round - simples. We either have to give the police greater powers or bring in more resources - like the army. Possibly both.

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eeewwwwww

I do not understand what you people are complaining about.


Did not Pierre-Joseph Proudhon say “All property is theft.”

Did not Karl Marx argue that "all property is to be held in common"

Do we not hear the socialists telling us over and over that "ALL capitalists are fascist pigs!"


So why should it be a shock that the young people brought up on those principles have a hatred for shop keepers, (Those fascist pigs!) and a complete disregard for private property??? (It was STOLEN from us!)

Why should they not help themselves to what they want if it is "Stolen" from them???


Unfortunately this is not sarcasm but the type of reasoning I have heard from many of those on welfare here in the USA. It is their justification for not trying to better themselves, for living off the dole, for hating anyone with more than they have and for stealing.

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by kindred
The response from the government is pitiful. Cameron has ruled out the use of water cannons, rubber bullets and the army and the number of police wil be increased from 6000 to 16000.g showing them a power point presentation of his holiday snaps.

Yes and some of those 16,000 will be drafted in from other areas. What are those of us in these other areas going to do when the trouble moves to us? There are not enough police to go round - simples. We either have to give the police greater powers or bring in more resources - like the army. Possibly both.

I've gotta feeling that the thugs are also watching the news and will plan around this new development!
Byebye peace and quiet in other towns

At an educated guess, I suspect there will be more violence tonight and NOT in London.

16,000 Police standing around doing nothing tonight while the other towns will be getting ransacked !