The Tea Party Republicans Are Responsible For The Ratings Downgrade

reply to post by watcher3339


Of course they are breakaway Republicans I agree. Show me one Tea Party person that ran as anything else then a republican in the last election. If they wanted to be a genuine 3rd "unbaised" party then why didn't they run as independents.

reply to post by inforeal
Brother you have no idea of what you are talking about. The credit rating was going to drop no mater what happened. The legislation on the "Super Congress" was the real issue and TPTB only held the triple rating long enough to get the votes needed to pass.
I'll say one thing. We know who the devoted tea party members are now. There the ones that stood the course and weren't fear-mongered to treason.

Originally posted by inforeal
We can thank the fanatic tea party

mr.maddow, take yer medicine please. thank you.

Originally posted by inforeal

For those who think the tea party are good, quaint, and useful then this proves you are in grave error and that their fanaticism can and likely will be the catalyst for the destruction of the American economic system if they are not soon reined in.

That single statement very nearly convinced me to join up with the Tea Party. Not quite still, but damn close, based upon that.

I'm ready to burn this entire economic structure to the ground, and build another from the foundations up. If that's what they're for, where do I sign up?

Shame the rich folks would lose their asses in such a scenario too, but them's the breaks. Their money ain't my lookout, any how.

Originally posted by macman
Oh geez, another Liberal ATS'er, starting another "Blame the Tea Party" thread.


Dude, day late and a dollar short, just like Obama.

It ain't the liberals' faults - they're just following orders.

That's the only explanation I can find for this sudden concerted effort.

The Bush era tax cuts were laid out as the main reason.

reply to post by Alxandro

..But regardless, no matter how you try to size it up, it happened under Obama's watch. The buck stops somewhere.

But BUT...
Obama said "It's not my pay grade"

So obviously it has to be ..... THE Tea Party's.

NOTE: as The executive branch it is the President of the United States duty to submit a budget request to Congress.

the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. Current law (31 U.S.C. 1105(a))[4] requires the President to submit a budget no earlier than the first Monday in January, and no later than the first Monday in February... en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by professornurbs

How can a party that has no majority in either house wield so much power?

SIMPLE.

They pointed out the Emperor has no clothes.

The liberals are REALLY REALLY ticked off because someone is trying to wake them from their dream and point out hard cold reality.

reply to post by crimvelvet


It’s the fascist tactics of the tea party, in which republicans have always utilized, that has given them their small success.

If and when the American people see them for what they are then they will go down as just another fascist type cause that erupted in the heat of political strife.

reply to post by skepticconwatcher

Is't true. They should be happy. This is what they wanted. Small Government.

Yay. Congratulations on shrinking *destroying* America.

The USA was destroyed fifty to a hundred years ago.

I noticed it over twenty five years ago.

Some people are FINALLY waking up and smelling the rotting carcass. They are trying to cut out the gangrene in the hopes of salvaging something but the leeches and vampires are ticked and complaining.

If the leeches and their friends do not wise up soon they will find themselves in a third world country run by the IMF.

I suggest you read up on the world bank/IMFs Structural Adjustment Programs. It is the reason Iceland told the bankers to go pound sand but unfortunately thanks to the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 the USA does not have the same choice.

reply to post by inforeal


Good. Downgrade = less power. I don't want a single world power from one country.

If blackmail is what it takes to make politicians focus on us and not the world, then that's what it takes. Glad the tea party had the balls to do it.

For most of my nearly 64 years of being on this Earth the Democrats have been in the majority in the Congress. I have seen them spend, spend, spend, and spend some more. The spending days are over and the Teaparty is the voice of fiscal responsibility.

If anyone is responsible for the ratings downgrade it is the American people who have kept electing politicians based on how much money they have been able to dump back in their district instead of whether or not they supported a government that demonstrated fiscal responsibility.

Too many useless, lazy, corrupt hands in the cookie jar for too long and now we face the consequences and they are not going to be pretty.

reply to post by watcher3339

sigh
they wouldn't have to "save" as much or spend as little if there was a larger revenue stream.
Corporations and the wealthy used that wealth to buy the government and get politicians to vote in tax breaks that worked to the benefit of those wealthy corporations and indviduals....

It ain't gonna happen.

The REAL money is all nice and safely tucked away in trusts and foundations and corporations. The only thing they can tax now is WAGES. You may think it taxes the "Wealthy" but it doesn't touch anyone but the higher paid lackeys and small business people stuck in the USA.

General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt has been tapped by obama to lead

General Electric, the nation’s largest corporation, had a very good year in 2010.

The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion....

Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore.

www.nytimes.com...

THAT is the key.
Thanks to the WTO, NAFTA... we no longer have tariffs to protect our businesses and to deal with " innovative accounting that enables international firms to concentrate their profits offshore." AND to move part or all of the salaries of their top people "Off-Shore"

Slap an office in a low tax country and make that the headquarters where the top people have their primary office. Bingo you avoid heavy US taxes.

IF you TAX IMPORTS you will tax those corporations AND protect US jobs.

That is why the fight is diverted to tax or not tax WAGES and Corporations they do not want people to think about taxing IMPORTS, the real gold mine

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reply to post by inforeal

The op has stated, that the reason for the down grade in the credit rating of the United States of America, is due to the election and success of people who associate with the Tea Party.
While this is may seem like a plausible explanation, however, this is not the reason, nor is it a valid one, it is one of fear and of making someone a scapegoat. The reality, that is not mentioned, and there are those who are pointing it out, is that the reason for this down grading, is due to the following: Bad fiscal policy, a lack of leadership and a lack of money coming in.
When you break it down, here is the reason for the following:
1) The lack of money coming in: There is a large portion of the US citizens that are not paying taxes this year as they have no jobs, no means of income, nothing that can be taxed. They are taxed out, no money to give, nothing to take, and thus the federal and state governments are not getting any source of income to bring in to pay for the nice things that they have been. The math is messed up, you can not spend 2 trillion dollars with an income of 1.5 trillion and call it deficit neutral. It just does not work. The tax code is messed up, with too many loopholes in it, where companies like GE, the same GE whose CEO is advising the President by the way, paid 0 in taxes last year. That is not the kind of advice the country needs or should take, as that is a shame and a scam unto itself.
2) Bad fiscal policy, this is due to the congress not handling the money correctly. Oh they spend money, they are good at that, but when it comes to spending it wisely, well that is another story. All of the bailouts, all of the massive spending that was done, how much of this really helped anyone who was not a political pawn in the long run? It did not help the common man, nor did it do much for much of the country, as many states are looking to DC to change the laws to be able to declare bankruptcy. It is a very sad state of affairs, when a state has to declare or even think about going down that road, then how many programs are forced to be shut down? How much money was sent over to a foreign country, like say Libya, Syria or even Pakistan, countries with strong anti US sentiment that could have not been sent and withheld? Did all of that money really need to be spent on teaching African men how to properly clean themselves? Even the numbers did not add up, and if you look at it would you like to have made 100K, as some of the numbers were touted? The math is simple, though through the complex formulas that is what it came out to be.
3) Lack of leadership. Obama is no leader, he has never been nor has he shown any sort of leadership to anyone in this country. He has been slowly dividing this country by playing the race card all along. His ideas may seem sound, but who do they benefit, not everyone, rather just a few who support him, and his base shows that. He got involved where he should not have been, and ultimately has reopened wounds that should have been left closed as they were healing. He rejected compromises as it did not fit into his grand scheme of things and in the end was forced to compromise, as that is what politics is about the art of compromising.
This has been coming and anyone who says that it is this or that groups fault did not pay attention to the problem that has been in the background all along. The debt has been there all these years, slowly growing every year, and every so often on all of the news channels, even before CNN, MSNBC and FOX, was mentioned, even in passing, as what the debt was. Not one political figure has taken a stand until now. Even our creditor, namely China, stated concerns about our Debt, when they first past the Health Care Bill, as they did not see how we could afford such.
Now we have the current situation, 85 people who came into office with one goal: Cut, Cap and balance. Cut the debt, cap the spending and balance the budget, and that is a bad thing? It is fascist and so wrong?
What is more wrong, spend and pass this problem to our children, or actually doing the adult thing and taking responsibility for our actions and our country?
This was caused by years of reckless spending and a bad tax code, long before the Tea Party was ever thought about.
The only real way out of this is, as many are stating and coming to the same conclusions is the following:
Scrapping the Tax code and coming up with a new tax code that closes all loopholes in it, where companies like GE can not make billions and pay 0 in taxes, and fiscal discipline on the part of those in DC.

reply to post by crimvelvet

Are you talking about the same GE that paid 0 in taxes while making billions in the US?

Originally posted by whyamIhere
Yes they are....

Finally a group of people stood up and said "enough".

We owe these great Americans a huge Thank You !!!

Well, seeing how you ask for it, here it is;



Just started a thread regarding this video yesterday. Nevertheless, I couldn't help but re-post the video in order to offer up the proper "Thank You" to the Tea Party.

reply to post by malcr

The Tea Party IS at fault

By the way I live in the UK where I have access to some astonishing unbiased assessment. I found the investigation of who funds the Tea Party quite astonishing and I am suprised anyone would want to be associated with it. However, I now suspect cognitive dissonance kicking in. You've nailed your colours to the Tea Party flag pole so the last thing you want to admit is that you have been conned......and you have, big time, by very rich individuals with a skewed political agenda.

VERY unbiased from the home of the "City of London" aka the Rothschilds and friends

VERY unbiased from the home of ex-prime minister Tony Blair, former Fabian (socialist) Society chair who is now working for JP Morgan Chase.

Yup, Yup, the news media in Socialist UK would of course LIKE wealthy people who support libertarians and objectivists

reply to post by TheHorseChestnut


Exactly. The idea that the Tea Party is some kind of "3rd Party" is hilarious None of the Tea Party reps that are currently in the House ran as indy candidates. Not a single soul!! The tea party reps are still beholden to the GOP, and they serve the same corporate masters that any other "normal" republican congress person serves.

People that tout the tea party are delusional if they think that they're some kind of separate independent political party, and most of you are being had. Those candidates pandered to the Tea Party for votes!!

You are under the Republican banner. No matter what some of you tea party people say or do, it is BUSINESS AS USUAL under this corrupt two party system that does not serve the PEOPLE. WAKE UP.

Thanks for the laugh though, but it's sad that some of you really think that this 'movement' is some kind of independent entity when it's just more of the same garbage coming from the 'regular' GOP and the Democrat scum that pollutes the house and senate. The Republicans have perverted your cause and are now running with it.

Until you see the letter "I" attached to the name of a Tea Party candidate, you're doing nothing but supporting the same people that have helped to drive this country off of a cliff. Get real

reply to post by Flatfish


Failing on 2 threads with that video huh?

reply to post by illuminatislave


That's why I always refer to them as "Republican Tea Party" They are just republicans on steroids!