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Originally posted by ProudBird
What citations are there of this? Or, is it just a bit of imaginative thinking? Can you point to any indications in the activities, behaviour, and radio communications to ATC that would lend credence to this presumption?
....(t)hey did not know that a simple mechanical remote-control was build-in their plane....
Originally posted by ProudBird
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This is even worse speculation, to tell the truth. You have learnt a lot about the INUs and IRS units (though, as I read, I still see a few misconceptions that could use some clarifications) but, in order to fully educate you (and the audience) about the implausibility of a "remote-control" aspect that implies some "take-over" form ground sources, well......suffice to say, emphatically NO!
Short-hand reason is, any such device (that was not installed, mind you) would of necessity require electrical power in order to function. There isn't a trained and qualified B757/767 pilot out there who wouldn't know how to remove ALL electrics from the systems, and thereby disable any such device (that was not installed, anyhow). The B-757/767 can fly just fine without electrical systems energized. No pilot would allow the airplane to "fly him".
Originally posted by LaBTop
I have many more witnesses who did not see that plane where you want it to be.
See my PfT nine pages long thread.
the implausibility of a "remote-control" aspect
Originally posted by LaBTop
Proudbird, you should read my PfT thread (see link in OP, or a link to its page 8 a few posts up, at the bottom, then switch to page 3 I believe, to read about a false FDR ).
Then your solid believe that a FDR can not be falsified will be shattered.
Battery packs plus radio-controls. Connected to strong servos which can be placed on rudder and ailerons.
By any mechanics planted in the ground crew.
Originally posted by LaBTop
SolidState FDR = a memory stick.
How many times did you write to your memory sticks?
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by LaBTop
I have many more witnesses who did not see that plane where you want it to be.
See my PfT nine pages long thread.
I don't WANT the aircraft to be anywhere, but where it has been conclusively proven to have been. 3 radar stations, the FDR, a damage path both outside and inside the building, and some witnesses all point to a consistent flight path into the building.
LT : Not all, and these are damn difficult to counter :
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Regarding Boger.... snip -- He is convinced the aircraft struck the building as we all know it did. Why are you smarter and more knowledgeable than him?
LT : I am also convinced the aircraft struck the building, as I told you numerous times now. It was the reason why Balsamo got a tad bit excited about me, remember? And Boger was for years a flight controller. He got an education as such. Now he suddenly is unreliable? A bit thin argument.
I have no idea of the flight path you are proposing as your verbose writing style does not lend itself to be easily understood. I am not going to pffft to read it, so either post it here as a diagram or I won't address it. If it is of interest to me I'll address it. It should be a comprehensive path supported by multiple lines of evidence, not just your interpretation of some witness statements. GO.....
LT: I posted it now already a few times here, on page 1, 8 and 9.
Well, here we go again :
Viable flightpath at 200 KTS :
files.abovetopsecret.com...
Years old flightpath proposal, with a change to another turn radius after passing the CITGO :
files.abovetopsecret.com...
If this one is possible at all, I still got no answer yet.
I do not believe that all pilots take off, set a fixed turn radius exactly towards their next airport, and leave it to the autopilot. There is a lot of manual and/or automatic steering involved.And wind drift, loss of weight by burning jet fuel away, and heaps of other influences.
SOLID-STATE FLIGHT DATA RECORDER
SOLID-STATE FDR PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
The Solid-State Flight Data Recorder (SSFDR) combines the extremely high reliability of integrated circuit memory technology with the most advanced protective enclosure in the industry.
The SSFDR is the most modern available, incorporating the latest interface characteristics defined in ARINC Project Paper 747. Aircraft interfaces include one (1) ARINC-717 Harvard Bi-Phase input for receiving flight data from the aircraft's Flight Data Acquisition Unit (FDAU).
The SSFDR also includes provisions for two ARINC-429 interfaces as defined in ARINC-747; one is reserved for future copying of the FDR's recorded data to an Airborne Data Loader, and the second is provided for new generation aircraft equipped with Onboard Maintenance Systems.
Extensive micro-processor based built-in-test greatly simplifies test and trouble shooting, thereby minimizing technician training and support equipment costs.
The SSFDR provides an interface for high speed readout of its memory while onboard the aircraft.
Readout time is under 5 minutes for the 1X model, under 10 minutes for the 2X model, and under 20 minutes for the 4X model.
Originally posted by LaBTop
Which does not mean that I trust the rest......There are a lot of things unexplained in the RADES radar data.
Originally posted by LaBTop
An exceptional amount of hidden and official MILITARY planes in the Washington airspace around 9 to 10 AM, while they told us all these years how difficult it was for them to launch any armed or unarmed fighters.
Originally posted by LaBTop
www51.honeywell.com...(SSFDR).pdf
SOLID-STATE FLIGHT DATA RECORDER
SOLID-STATE FDR PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
The Solid-State Flight Data Recorder (SSFDR) combines the extremely high reliability of integrated circuit memory technology with the most advanced protective enclosure in the industry.
The SSFDR is the most modern available, incorporating the latest interface characteristics defined in ARINC Project Paper 747. Aircraft interfaces include one (1) ARINC-717 Harvard Bi-Phase input for receiving flight data from the aircraft's Flight Data Acquisition Unit (FDAU).
The SSFDR also includes provisions for two ARINC-429 interfaces as defined in ARINC-747; one is reserved for future copying of the FDR's recorded data to an Airborne Data Loader, and the second is provided for new generation aircraft equipped with Onboard Maintenance Systems.
Extensive micro-processor based built-in-test greatly simplifies test and trouble shooting, thereby minimizing technician training and support equipment costs.
The SSFDR provides an interface for high speed readout of its memory while onboard the aircraft.
Readout time is under 5 minutes for the 1X model, under 10 minutes for the 2X model, and under 20 minutes for the 4X model.
Integrated circuit memory is used in f.ex. memory sticks and computer parts.
Originally posted by Reheat
Originally posted by LaBTop
An exceptional amount of hidden and official MILITARY planes in the Washington airspace around 9 to 10 AM, while they told us all these years how difficult it was for them to launch any armed or unarmed fighters.
Hidden aircraft? How do you know about them then? Both armed and unarmed fighters were launched. What's so strange about military aircraft being airborne in the US National Airspace? They are there all of the time. In fact, I've flown in and out of Andrews AFB and Langley AFB several times. Why do you find that strange?
Your last statement which I've omitted makes no sense at all.
Originally posted by Reheat
How you get a memory stick out of that is perhaps only known to you. Of course it's digital, but the exact media is not mentioned. There are hundreds of parameters recorded in the FDR, many of which correlate with each other. How and why did that happen and what evidence is there that makes you think data was falsified?
Originally posted by LaBTop
I meant aircraft set off from civilian airports, squawking a civilian code, which changed in mid air that code to a military one, and then landed on a military base. And military planes which squawked military code, then changed to civilian and landed on military bases.
Is that normal every day behavior..
Originally posted by Reheat
reply to post by LaBTop
If I understand you correctly you're touting that curved / arced CIT path from Paik to NOC to the impact point. Is that correct? If so, I've already shown you that to fly that would require and absolute minimum of 53 degrees of bank even under your prescribed conditions. If we move the impact point to where it actually was, the bank angle is about 60 degrees required. Why did none of your witnesses describe that awesome bank? If they had seen that they would have never forgotten it. Don't you find that a bit strange?
If you want the aircraft to fly at landing speeds it must be at a speed high enough to avoid a stall at 50-60 degrees of bank ALL OF THE WAY TO THE IMPACT POINT. There is NO WAY it can maintain any lesser bank angle unless it compensates with larger bank angles later in the flight path. NO WAY it can roll out of that kind of bank/turn prior to the impact into the building....
May I direct you back to the last page 9, to my post you seemed to have missed :
REFERENCES :
Or info from an experienced Aviation Mechanic.