Elenin Coma Diameter Exceeds 200,000 km says Leonid Elenin

reply to post by Skorpiogurl

Oh.... but disasters are so much fun.

That is until a disaster happens to you and the ones you love. I would never wish nor want a disaster to happen to you nor anyone else here on this lovely planet.

reply to post by bekod

so is it the planet X of the South African tribes? the 12th planet told by the aboriginal tribes of the out back? (annunaki and reptiles...?)Nibiru? if it was just one story or myth then yes it could be dismissed as such , but as in this case there are to many from all around the world so is 2012 the year of the commit? we shall see.

Your myths are all jumbled up to the point of being beyond recognition. These things you mention are not connected in any way. This is a big red flag for doomsday-sayers.

Personally I think the Hopi prophecy has already come to pass along with Revelations but this is another topic.

reply to post by AstroBuzz


You need to differentiate between "orbit" "orbital path" and "orbital plane". To suggest that this comet is passing through Earth's orbit is misleading.

Elenin's closest approach to Earth is on Oct.16 and if there's debris, we'll be passing through that on or around Oct.31.

Do you have a source confirming this? I was under the impression that the orbital path of Elenin will be above Earth's orbital plane so no debris for us. When it does cross Earth's orbital plane, orbital nodes, it will neither be on Earth's orbit nor in solar transit.

I'm curious as to how many previous comets tails/comas we've passed through?
Anybody have any information on this? And if we were in these comas did they have any effect on the planet?

reply to post by InTrueFiction


I've been searching for the article that states Elenin denied having discovered this planet.
Can't find it.
Problem is: I dont remember the source but I think it must have been one I trust, if not I would have dismissed it and I wouldn't have remembered.

I only found a few articles about this, but they are not from a source I trust so I wont even link them.
So maybe he didn't say it and was it only in the wishful mind of some people who are afraid of this comet.

My apologies for saying something I cannot back up

reply to post by seeker11

Good question.
Halley's comet in 1910.

This happens only during a solar transit. Meaning when the comet is passing through an orbital node of the Earth at an inferior conjunction, directly between Earth and the Sun.

Here is information on planetary transits. These are somewhat rare and very predictable events that make them very special in my opinion.
Venus solar transits.

They [Venus transits] occur in a pattern that repeats every 243 years, with pairs of transits eight years apart separated by long gaps of 121.5 years and 105.5 years.

Mercury solar transits.

Transits of Mercury with respect to Earth are much more frequent than transits of Venus, with about 13 or 14 per century, in part because Mercury is closer to the Sun and orbits it more rapidly.

Transits of Mercury can happen in May or November. November transits occur at intervals of 7, 13, or 33 years ; May transits only occur at intervals of 13 or 33 years. The last three transits occurred in 1999, 2003 and 2006 ; the next will occur in 2016.

reply to post by seeker11

I'm curious as to how many previous comets tails/comas we've passed through?
Anybody have any information on this? And if we were in these comas did they have any effect on the planet?

We have passed through literally countless comet tails since the dawn of humanity. We regularly pass through a dozen or so every year; they are responsible for the regularly scheduled meteor showers, like the Perseids, coming up in just a few days. They are completely harmless.

reply to post by notsosunny

I've been searching for the article that states Elenin denied having discovered this planet.
Can't find it.

That's because he never said that he didn't discover the comet; in fact he is quite proud of it. However, he is on record denouncing the fear mongers who claim that it is Nibiru.

reply to post by today

the name of the mag is in the clip... do I have to do everything for you?

The stoner, I mean "astromoner" in the interview claimed that it was on the cover of "Popular Science." See for yourself:

www.coverbrowser.com...

He was either lying or hallucinating, possibly both.

Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by seeker11

 

I'm curious as to how many previous comets tails/comas we've passed through?
Anybody have any information on this? And if we were in these comas did they have any effect on the planet?

We have passed through literally countless comet tails since the dawn of humanity. We regularly pass through a dozen or so every year; they are responsible for the regularly scheduled meteor showers, like the Perseids, coming up in just a few days. They are completely harmless.

Thank you. exactly information I was looking to hear. That's why I love ATS.
However I still think that just because other ones have been completely harmless that one might come along that's not completely harmless. Just the odds. However, I see no point at all in worrying about this one, as I don't see how there is any information about this one that leads to conclusions of immenent danger to the earth.

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

Amazing how a 3-4 km nuclei can generate a 200,000, km coma

Yes, the universe is full of wonderful spectacles. It's so much more amazing than New Age web pages make it out to be.

My comet will fly by us. And it probably did not pass near the Earth 12000 years ago. This is first visit to inner part of the Solar System. ~ Leonid Elenin

I searched and couldn't find any catastrophies that happened 11,700 years ago which is when Comet Elenin would've last shot by us IF this isn't it's 1st visit to the inner solar system. Only thing I found was; that's when Earth started warming up.

The ice core showed the Northern Hemisphere briefly emerged from the last ice age some 14,700 years ago with a 22-degree-Fahrenheit spike in just 50 years, then plunged back into icy conditions before abruptly warming again about 11,700 years ago. Startlingly, the Greenland ice core evidence showed that a massive "reorganization" of atmospheric circulation in the Northern Hemisphere coincided with each temperature spurt, with each reorganization taking just one or two years, said the study authors. ~ Source article

There's really nothing to worry about. It will be cool to view through a telescope though!

By late August comet Elenin should be visible to the naked eye as a dim "fuzzy star" with a tail. Over a few weeks the visitor will speed across the spring constellation Virgo and toward Leo on its outbound leg. ~ Source article

Video of Elenin's orbit through the inner solar system.


Aug.1st NASA Image of Come Elenin:

reply to post by seeker11

Thank you. exactly information I was looking to hear. That's why I love ATS.

You're very welcome.

However I still think that just because other ones have been completely harmless that one might come along that's not completely harmless. Just the odds. However, I see no point at all in worrying about this one, as I don't see how there is any information about this one that leads to conclusions of immenent danger to the earth.

The tail is in no way dangerous, however the nucleus is a massive ball of dust and volatile chemicals. If one were to crash into the Earth it could level a city. At the turn of the last century a comet felled trees for kilometers when it crashed to Earth in Siberia. Fortunately, no-one was near ground zero.

reply to post by DJW001

We have passed through literally countless comet tails since the dawn of humanity. We regularly pass through a dozen or so every year; they are responsible for the regularly scheduled meteor showers, like the Perseids, coming up in just a few days.

I do not consider comet debris, as in the Perseids meteor shower, to be comet tails, as per seeker11's question. Do you?

Originally posted by Devino
reply to post by DJW001

 

I do not consider comet debris, as in the Perseids meteor shower, to be comet tails, as per seeker11's question. Do you?

edit on 8/4/2011 by Devino because: (no reason given)

Care to elaborate? I do not have much knowledge about this and would love to learn more.

reply to post by Devino

I do not consider comet debris, as in the Perseids meteor shower, to be comet tails, as per seeker11's question. Do you?

They are made of the same stuff, just not as "fresh." The Earth passed through the tail of Halley's Comet in 1910 with no ill effect, and presumably at some point the Earth passed through the tails of all the periodic meteor shower comets, such as Swift-Tuttle, responsible for the Perseids. As for the possibility of some sort of "electromagnetic effect" from the comet's ion tail, they would have made themselves felt through the telegraphs, telephones and wireless apparatus of the period.

reply to post by Devino


That's right... the tail of a comet is out-gassing caused by evaporation of the comet by the sun. Debris associated with a comet doesn't have to be found in the tail... in fact, a comet without a tail still has associated debris.

reply to post by RUSSO

Any thoughts

1.It appears to be blue

Today
2.

so why do they claim it is out of view now when its much closer?

And how much closer can something be and still be out of view?

reply to post by seeker11

Excuse me for using 'quicky wiki' for my sources (because its 'quick').
There is a difference between meteor showers and comet comas and tails in this context.

Meteor showers.

A meteor shower is the result of an interaction between a planet, such as Earth, and streams of debris from a comet. Comets can produce debris by water vapor drag...

The debris is left behind due to drag in an orbital path of the original comet. It's probably a bit more complicated than this but I think this sums it up well.

Comet comas and tails.

A comet is an icy, small Solar System body which, when close enough to the Sun, displays a visible coma (a thin, fuzzy, temporary atmosphere) and sometimes also a tail. These phenomena are both due to the effects of solar radiation and the solar wind upon the nucleus of the comet.

The tail and coma stay with the nucleus of the comet and are not left behind like the debris trails we see as meteor showers. We could expect to see debris in the tails and comas of comets but not comet tails and comas with all of the debris.

We pass through debris trails all the time yet passing through a comet tail is rather rare and I'm not so sure about passing through a coma.

reply to post by Devino

Comets produce two types of tails (at the same time).

One is the ion tail. The ions are gasses which the comet emits as it heats up. They are affected by the solar wind and so are always pushed directly away from the Sun.

What you call the debris trail is the dust tail, composed of dust from the comet. This material trails the comet in a curved path because each of the particles is on its own, very slightly varying, orbit around the Sun. It does not stay with the comet, it constantly streams from it like water from a hose. When the Earth crosses the remnants of the dust tail we get a meteor shower.

Since Elenin will be above the ecliptic when it crosses Earth's orbit it is not at all certain that we will pass through its tail(s).