**White House Insider: "Everyone Stunned At How Little Barack Obama Understands"

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by butcherguy
There's been fuzzy math in government as long as there's been paper and ink.

Not including the war(s) in the Bush expenses - - - is not something to slough off to "pass the trash".

They've all had their wars.

Johnson gave us the build-up in VietNam.

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by butcherguy
There's been fuzzy math in government as long as there's been paper and ink.

Not including the war(s) in the Bush expenses - - - is not something to slough off to "pass the trash".

They've all had their wars.

Johnson gave us the build-up in VietNam.

I'm 65 - - I'm well aware of war and excuses for war for several past presidents.

That's not the same thing as the average person looking at Bush's expenses. The average person would believe the war expenses would be included - - but they're not. (I know that's simplistic - - I did read the details a while ago).

Look, I don't personally like Obama at all, but I am sick of the double-standard. Bush could do no wrong, and the man was a complete moron, arguably the "dumbest" president in history. Or when Clinton was in office, and everything about him got dragged through the mud, things that were personal issues that shouldn't have affected anything, yet Bush didn't experience that, as he would just say, and I quote, "that is a personal matter." WTF?

There are other examples, and those who have been alive longer than I can probably think of others I have not even heard about, and I think that needs to stop. I am not saying Obama or Clinton or whoever didn't deserve it, but all presidents should be held to the same standard. The fact that they are not should tell you something not only about the American people, but political parties in general.

Responding to the OP, personally, I wouldn't put much stock in hearsay. And I especially wouldn't put much stock in hearsay about hearsay.

But if people want to believe this is an extremely reliable source (how could it not be -- something negative was said about Obama, right?) go ahead and believe rumors. Just like the birth certificate that you KNEW didn't exist. And are still certain is a fraud when it was produced.

But look, people who desperately want to believe something are, very simply, inferior to those who try to judge truth by a more impartial standard.

That's all I'll say.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Look, I don't personally like Obama at all, but I am sick of the double-standard. Bush could do no wrong, and the man was a complete moron, arguably the "dumbest" president in history. Or when Clinton was in office, and everything about him got dragged through the mud, things that were personal issues that shouldn't have affected anything, yet Bush didn't experience that, as he would just say, and I quote, "that is a personal matter." WTF?

There is definitely a double standard. And I voted for Bush his first term.

When a Dem tries to pull the same crap the Reps do - - - the Right vilifies them.

reply to post by anon72


There are things Obama knows now that he is POTUS that he did not know before and that we still do not know. What if you had pure intentions and became the leader of something that you had no idea there were so many other things going on and you knew there were forces at work that were threatening your family and your loved ones ? How would you respond ?

You don't know what he is dealing with.

As a Progressive who votes Democratic -- I can agree with the "general" thrust of this post.
However, I would like to add the old saying; "You get more bees with honey."
I was with you until you added your own comments:

Originally posted by anon72

Don't kid yourselves Dems/Liberal lovers. Obama has some huge problems-within his own party. No wonder the MSM and Pundits lovers on the Left are attacking the Tea Party so much. It is political nature for the Dems to attack anyone who Kicks the Crap out of them.

Now, they realize it isn't the Tea Party that is the problem. It is POTUS Obama. His ego will get him in the end.

Get ready for a Huge Tea Party in Washington D.C in 2012!!! I can't wait to fill the streets with NORMAL thinking people who only wish is to get the mis-guided country of ours back on track and/or away for the Socialist/Liberal Politically ignorant man.

I would separate the Tea Party and Obama -- because, while I'm dismayed at Obama -- I can see with my eyes and hear with my ears how many Tea Party leaders are bonkers, nuts, morons, or just plain crooks.

The Tea Party reminds me of the people hired by Plantation Owners before the Civil War to propagandize the public and politicians alike. Slavery, only benefitted a very few rich folk in the South -- those people owned plantations. If you were a working man -- you had to compete against "free labor" -- so your wages were depressed. If slaves didn't cost money to buy, guard and eventually lose to the noble people smuggling them to free states -- then the Southern working man in the South would have been poorer.


The "Tea Party" philosophies -- aren't any damn different from the "compromise" bill that Obama and the Republicans put forth. Low taxes, "free trade", and lots of money for Executives -- all the cuts are on Social programs that keep Grandparents from eating cat food.

So excuse me if I pay attention to what is being done, versus nonsense that is being said -- the Tea Party, having any objection to Obama, cannot come from anything in terms of policy. It's like the Pot calling the Kettle, Black.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by anon72

 

There are things Obama knows now that he is POTUS that he did not know before and that we still do not know. What if you had pure intentions and became the leader of something that you had no idea there were so many other things going on and you knew there were forces at work that were threatening your family and your loved ones ? How would you respond ?

You don't know what he is dealing with.

YES! Absolutely!

The face of Clinton - Bush - Obama (and probably every president) - - - changed after the briefing of elected (selected) president.

They all came out of that briefing looking ashen.

Please read my first topic I ever posted in this forum. The title was too long to let people get a good look at what it meant. Please read it and give me a reply I believe I might be covering something important that we all might find some agreements in...

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Look, I don't personally like Obama at all, but I am sick of the double-standard. Bush could do no wrong, and the man was a complete moron, arguably the "dumbest" president in history.

Double standard???

Bush could do no wrong???

What alternate reality do you (and Annee) live in?

Before posting something that incorrect - and ridiculous - again, please do some research either here or on Google to find probably more than a thousand negative threads on Bush.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

The Tea Party reminds me of the people hired by Plantation Owners before the Civil War to propagandize the public and politicians alike. Slavery, only benefitted a very few rich folk in the South -- those people owned plantations. If you were a working man -- you had to compete against "free labor" -- so your wages were depressed. If slaves didn't cost money to buy, guard and eventually lose to the noble people smuggling them to free states -- then the Southern working man in the South would have been poorer.

Yes, we get all your "vitriol and angst" from posts like this.

What many of us don't get is the "reasoning" behind your posts. It takes a very twisted mind to somehow equate the Tea Party with slave ownership.

I bet you can youtube Obama and Bush and see Obama has said the stupidest things of all Presidents.
Obama was voted in by the countries dumbest....

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

The Tea Party reminds me of the people hired by Plantation Owners before the Civil War to propagandize the public and politicians alike. Slavery, only benefitted a very few rich folk in the South -- those people owned plantations. If you were a working man -- you had to compete against "free labor" -- so your wages were depressed. If slaves didn't cost money to buy, guard and eventually lose to the noble people smuggling them to free states -- then the Southern working man in the South would have been poorer.

Yes, we get all your "vitriol and angst" from posts like this.

What many of us don't get is the "reasoning" behind your posts. It takes a very twisted mind to somehow equate the Tea Party with slave ownership.

Truth is the Dems are insanely jealous of the Tea Party - which is in fact more akin to an 'American Spring' than anything else.

They are desperately trying to manufacture a grass roots movement of their own - forget what they are calling it now and at the same time desperately trying to throw every type of lie smear and contrived accusation they can at the movement that has a chance of de-railing the status quo of US politics.

Originally posted by centurion1211
Before posting something that incorrect - and ridiculous - again, please do some research either here or on Google to find probably more than a thousand negative threads on Bush.

Not quite the point. Nice try to slide out of it though.

I am still a registered Republican (a real one - - not the radical fake right wing kind). There is a definite double standard from the Republicans.

Whether you want to admit it or not.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Truth is the Dems are insanely jealous of the Tea Party - which is in fact more akin to an 'American Spring' than anything else.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on ATS.

Sounds more like a "wish" on your part - - then anything else.

reply to post by spoonbender
just what I was thinking....I was also thinking he'd take a bullet to save his party.....not willingly, but, sacrificing a no longer useful tool is par for their course....just sayin

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Look, I don't personally like Obama at all, but I am sick of the double-standard. Bush could do no wrong, and the man was a complete moron, arguably the "dumbest" president in history. Or when Clinton was in office, and everything about him got dragged through the mud, things that were personal issues that shouldn't have affected anything, yet Bush didn't experience that, as he would just say, and I quote, "that is a personal matter." WTF?

There are other examples, and those who have been alive longer than I can probably think of others I have not even heard about, and I think that needs to stop. I am not saying Obama or Clinton or whoever didn't deserve it, but all presidents should be held to the same standard. The fact that they are not should tell you something not only about the American people, but political parties in general.

1) Bush was at times criticized by Rush and Fox, let alone the media establishment, who have given Obama nearly a free pass.

2) by what standard was Bush dumb? his MBA from Harvard? his success in the oil business, MLB, or as Governor of Texas? as was pointed out, Obama has had as many gaffes.

3)Clinton was dogged by 'personal issues'? the 'issues' were subornation of perjury and obstruction of justice (for which he was disbarred). it was the DNC and their lackeys in the media that tried to make his crimes 'personal issues'. he was not impeached for sex.
Bush did nothing, nothing at all, to compare with what Clinton did, and the media people did a full anal probe on him, finding nothing more than a bogus draft story (thank you Dan Rather) and an old, old dui (just before the election!)

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....................you think we'd want another teabagger bunch?????hardly....you think wayyyyyyyyyyyy to highly of yourself! and, if yuou think they are "grass roots" then how come the Koch's are your biggest investor?.....geez....

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Truth is the Dems are insanely jealous of the Tea Party - which is in fact more akin to an 'American Spring' than anything else.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on ATS.

Is it really!?

Liberals are looking to the tea party as a blueprint for their own grass-roots organization within the Democratic Party.
Former Obama administration environmental adviser Van Jones is behind the proposed group, which he is calling The American Dream Movement,” Washington Post blog The Fix reports.

The movement wants to unite progressives across the country in the same way that the tea party and its affiliates have with conservatives. Target groups include unemployed veterans and homeowners struggling to make their mortgage. “We think we can do what the tea party did,” Jones told The Fix.

“They stepped forward under a common banner, and everybody took them seriously.
www.newsmax.com...

Most reasonable people, of which the T.E.A. Party is overwhelmingly populated with, peg the birth of this movement to February 19th 2009 when, during a broadcast from the floor of the Mercantile Exchange in Chicago CNBC Business Editor Rick Santelli had his own personal ‘I'm-mad-as-hell-and-I'm-not-going-to-take-it-anymore' moment. He brutally criticized the administration plan to refinance mortgages saying these plans were promoting bad behavior by subsidizing losers' mortgages.

His suggestion was that traders gather to dump derivatives in the Chicago River as a protest. Traders on the floor of the exchange cheered his proposal, video of his on-air rant went viral, and thanks to the internet, a movement was born. From the very outset of this phenomenon, Democrats have had no method of answering, or more importantly, silencing us.

We defy every attempt progressives have utilized to destroy this movement. They've called us racist, a charge they've not been able to make stick. They've tried to label us as "Astro-Turf" in reference to the behind-the-scenes, coordinated, and bussed in groups of paid protestors they themselves invented to influence a particular political point of view. They have done their level best to create confrontations in order to get a T.E.A. Party activist to lose his/her temper on national television so as to broad brush the entire movement as card-carrying members of the black-helicopter and tin-foil hat crowd.

With each deliberate mis-step of the Obama Administration, the ranks of the T.E.A. Party has swelled.

www.intellectualconservative.com...

Originally posted by works4dhs
by what standard was Bush dumb? his MBA from Harvard? his success in the oil business, MLB, or as Governor of Texas?

Have you done any real research on Bush "W"?

Nevermind - - I already know the answer.