Atheists: You believe in UFO's but not God?

I cannot see god, but there has been nothing like him. We exist, therefor its proved that others like us could exist, and with the size of the universe it's almost guarenteed aliens exist.

Originally posted by Greekoo
Athiest. If your willing to consider the plausibilty of people bieng in contact with aliens You have to then consider all the whole story not just the bits which are convenient for your beliefs. I have just read a book called top secret which has a detailed section on people supposedly being in contact with extraterestials and when the subject of God came up. The Aliens all believe in a creator. There was only one kind of Alien that did not believe in a creation and they were called the greys which apparantly are supposed to be evil. In short. If aliens exist they would know better than humans if a creator exist or not. In my research I have found that aliens also beleive in spirits(which is proof of concept God bieng a spirit), they are also religous.

Why is the idea that extraterrestrials believing in a certain creator so preposterous? And how does that prove the existence of any type of "God"? Almost all advanced societies have a creator myth passed through the generations, and you shouldn't expect beings from another planet to differ on that.

I also find your litmus test for "good or evil aliens" to be rather specious given the fact that most people that I know that do not believe in God are far from evil, actually, they are some of the most intelligent, lucid,and pleasant people I've ever met. I really wish some people would take the time to open their minds regarding these things before assuming that all non-believers are baby killers and Satan worshipers who are going to abduct you in the middle of the night and shove a probe up your ass.Get real and join the 21st cenutry, hell, brimstone and demons went out after Salem Witch Trials.

i wouldnt say aliens are a 'higher power'. They are just organisms evolving in an environment, just like us. Only thing is, they started evolving before us.
Also, there is pleeenty of evidence that aliens have visited Earth. Find me one scrap of evidence that says God exists. Or that Jesus existed for that matter.

Why is the idea that extraterrestrials believing in a certain creator so preposterous? And how does that prove the existence of any type of "God"? Almost all advanced societies have a creator myth passed through the generations, and you shouldn't expect beings from another planet to differ on that.

Athiest.

If there is a highly advanced alien culture/society that does belive in God that gives creditibility to that idea that God exist.
Ask yourself why o why would highly advanced intelligent aliens belive in God, maybe they know something you don't.
I made a comment about an evil species of Grey aliens not believing in God. If "the greys" are evil then they cannot be completely trusted in what they say but the supposed good aliens can be trusted.
You can't state that "Where did God come from" is a bigger question than how the first life forms(cells that can reproduce to for other cells) came into exisitance from non living matter.
Because you wouldnt know what the "physical makeup or nature of a creator" would have to be.
If you assume that God is organic and physical in nature. then you could say"God is the bigger question" but you dont know that for sure. Because you can't state for certainty that Gods existence is a bigger of smaller question you CANNOT remove God as a hypothesis.

Fact 1 Organic life(cells that can produce cells) can only come from pre-existing life through procreation or creation.
Fact 2. Organic life had a beginning
Conclusion The first lifeforms(cells that can make cells) must have been created by a creator whose origin and nature remains unknown.

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This has to be the dumbest post!!! it takes somebody who has a religious belief to label atheists ufo and alien believers???why??? so narrow minded, and also theres far more evidence going back through our history of ufo's and aliens than biblical proof, yet you ask why not believe in god??? when one out weighs the other with regarding data of each belief then you have your answer, in my opinion the bible was created as a system of control and fear for followers who would'nt obey the commandments.Theres far more of a probability that there is life out there than god popping down to earth to see how his flock of followers are doing. And if there was a god surely we have been through enough judgement??? with the world at crisis right now could'nt he give us a helping hand now again and end famine for one decade,natural disasters (or gods doings to test us!) conflict of regions,war etc and bring us some peace!!!

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I celebrate xmas and i am an atheist so do all of my athiest friends and family most of who don't give a second thought to its christian meaning. It is just an excuse to have a day off from not only work but from lifes problems etc and to really be happy for atleast 1 day of the year. As for easter that is just a day where you have an excuse to pig out on chocolate but it soon looses its magic after about the age of 8 lol.

This has to be the dumbest post!!! it takes somebody who has a religious belief to label atheists ufo and alien believers???why??? so narrow minded, and also theres far more evidence going back through our history of ufo's and aliens than biblical proof, yet you ask why not believe in god??? when one out weighs the other with regarding data of each belief then you have your answer, in my opinion the bible was created as a system of control and fear for followers who would'nt obey the commandments.Theres far more of a probability that there is life out there than god popping down to earth to see how his flock of followers are doing. And if there was a god surely we have been through enough judgement??? with the world at crisis right now could'nt he give us a helping hand now again and end famine for one decade,natural disasters (or gods doings to test us!) conflict of regions,war etc and bring us some peace!!!

Calm down.Im not suggesting that all Athiest believe in aliens obviously. That post is for the ones that do.
If ancient structures were found on Mars(without the aliens) would that be enough proof that aliens did exist.
Following the same reasoning since life(single celled orgaisims capable of duplicating themselves) on earth did start at some point surely that would insinuate that they were created since cells(that can duplicate themselves) have only been known to come from pro-creation or creation.Science cannot even make a real cell in a controlled lab.
The question of why a creator would permit suffering is not neccessarily related to the question about his actual existence.Maybe there are questions that are much bigger than the "god permit suffereng question". Such as is there life after death. If there is life after death then the question of god permiting suffering is less relavant.

Hi athiest and thiest.
All people tend to be protective toward what they believe and so athiest tend to be skepic about alot of things that appear on this website. here are a couple of examples.

1. Aliens. There is a consist great quanity of INDIRECT evidence that aliens believe in God, through stories of encounters with them.
If aliens exist there is the argument(i personally dont belive) that they might have seeded earth long ago and so efectively they are the makers of life on earth.
If aliens didnt believe God athiest would think more favourably about stories of people being in contact with aliens.

2. Spirits. If spirits exist that is proof of concept that a spirit god might exist and also makes the bible look more credibul when it talks about spirits.

I dont know why any athiest would want to come to this website in the first place.

Originally posted by Greekoo

1. Aliens. There is a consist great quanity of INDIRECT evidence that aliens believe in God, through stories of encounters with them.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence for this nonesense. Wishful thinking doesn't make evidence.

Originally posted by Greekoo

I dont know why any athiest would want to come to this website in the first place.

Since when has ATS been a young earth creationist website?

Originally posted by Greekoo

Science cannot even make a real cell in a controlled lab.

Silly scientists, imagine not being able to create such a simple thing as a cell...

Do you actually know what science is? Science is a process. Simply going to "science school" and donning a white lab coat doesn't suddenly imbue one with infinite knowledge. It's a process of understanding. It takes time. And hard work. As opposed to "I don't know therefore god did it".

*Face

I am offended by these simple questions you have offered. Do I believe in God? And if not, then I believe in these ufo's? Forgive me if I am but a simple man. I have no faith in either. I have not seen or heard God. I have not seen or heard a ufo. What I have heard today makes me believe in neither. Today I had to bury a friend, a pet, a cat if you will. My cat was/is very special to me. A very special breed. He became sick, and infected with all types of viruses. I could have taken him to a vet, for a price. And saved his life by having them put him down. Today, I had to do it myself. I removed his head as quickly as I could so that he would pass on without anymore pain. I held his head so that his eyes were on mine the whole time, and afterwards. I had to tell my son that he was gone. That I could do nothing for him. My son and I cried together. Where was God In this situation? Where was this mercy, or pity that he is written to have? Where was the tissue that had to dry my son's eyes? Did God ease our pain? Did he dry those tears? Was he there when I had to bury both my fathers? No! Was he there when my step-father told me he loved me and I could not utter a word? No! Was he there when I was on my knees for my son's life? No! He was not. The reason is because he does not exist. Your God is so full of him self that he can not see beyound his own desires or wishes. Aliens? Ufo's? Please. I saw none of them either as I was on my knees. It is enough for me to realise that their are no gods, no heaven, no hell. God? Where was he when I needed him? When my son needed him? When I had to place the blade against my cat's neck? Your God is not my god. He hasn't the mercy or forgiveness to be a God. Coward! And so is all religon. You want to believe in something greater than yourselves? Than believe in yourself. You have the will and power to move your own life how ever you wish it to be. Not God or Ufo Aliens. You! And what you do everyday with your life will determine the course of what ever it is that lies after this life. I once trained to be a priest. I was told I did not have enough faith because I had questions, and was thrown out of the only home I wanted. I found a new home though. And in this home, I believe what I can see. And I can not see your God or your Aliens! To hell with both in my book. I will make my own life. And teach my son to do the same. Again, forgive me for being so simple minded. But Religon and Aliens are both myths to ease our own frailties. Our own weakness to explain the wonder of ourselves.

Yup.

Any other questions?

-rrr

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I`v seen UFO`s fly in a way, at speeds that would kill a human, like the saying goes 'CORNERS LIKE A HOUSE FLY" but a speeds that WILL smash your brain into the inside of your skull. As far as I know humans have not yet invented Star Trek like inertia dampers?
As far as the bible goes ,it`s nothing but contradictions all through... thou must not kill .... An eye for an eye...? I think it means that you can`t kill anyone untill they steal your eye?

Originally posted by NeverApologize
Quick question guys.
Did any of you Atheists celebrate Christmas or Easter this past year or others?

If you did, why? We're you celebrating because Jesus Christ was born then died on the cross for your sins? OR, did you celebrate because of the presents and fun?

I must admit - - I always find it hilariously laughable when Christians use Christmas and Easter as an argument.

I celebrate the original pagan reason for the solstice - - - not the stolen ones.

I have seen a UFO - broad daylight - clear blue skies. But besides that - - Life exists. We know life exists. Even in some of the most inhospitable places on earth - - life exists. With the vastness of the universe - - it does not seem logical to even consider we are alone.

God however is not tangible - - as a physical beings. Unless you are talking about early off-planet beings - being the gods of earth - - that is a different discussion.

Omnipotent Creator God of religion - - - is simply man's creation to explain what he can't or doesn't understand.

There has to be aliens ... there does not have to be a GOD. There are billions of galaxies in our universe with planets, suns, etc. There has to be other life out there based on that alone. Forget the pictures, forget the Barney and Betty Hills, forget the credible military, seasoned pilot eye witnesses. Just the fact that universe is vast is reason enough. Just my opinion.

Hi Athiest. Krakencambell sorry to hear abiout you troubles.
Krakencambell first to address your question of why God permits suffering or why god did not answer your prayers. Firstly it is very difficult to answer your questions if you have confind your view of life to known testable things, therfore I cannot answer your question specifcally. However here are some things to consider.

1. The fact that there is suffering in the world does not proove or disproove the existence of a creator. It just raises questions.
3. The fact that the creator does not answer your prayers in the way you would like or perform magic tricks does not mean he does not exist.
4. If a creator exist he does have a plan. Why else would he make the earth.
5. If there is a plan then in that plan people are supposed to be happy.
6. No one can say they are truely happy because every sain person is afriad to die or does not want to see thier loved ones suffer..
7. It is safe to assume there is a plan B.

NO ALIENS. HI You keep saying there is no evidence For aliens or God. First please be very specific about what you mean when you say "absolutetly zero evidence"
Before I start quoting to you eye credibal wittness accounts of peoples stories or project bluebook or offical air defence documentation Why dont you tell me what you consider as credibal evidence i know your holding back,.
In the matter of evidence for God you said
"Silly scientists, imagine not being able to create such a simple thing as a cell" By your own admission your suggesting that scienist do not have the "technology" to create a cell(cell that can devide into other cells). That something we can both agree on. Does that not suggest to you that the only way a the first cells on earth could have come into existence is by someone with the "technology" to create a cell.
Whats wrong with this picture please help me out here. Please lets keep it simple.
If old houses where found on mars. "A creator did it"
Cell are more complex that houses therefore
If the first cells apeared on earth therefore "A Creator did it"
If you ask who created the creator Ive answered that in previous post.Ill be happy to discuss that again if you want.

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Good topic. I belive in both. However, I think it comes down to consciousness. The multiverse was made by thought.

That consciousness is still present and we tap into a small bit of it. The aliens have access to more of it and are probably made of dark matter. However at a certain point, any sort of body could be a hinderance in exploring consciousness. So higher levels of consciousness are acted out without the use of bodies made of matter or dark matter. However, all consciousness/conscious units are a manifistation of the same phenomenon.... God. The ONE and the MANY.

That is why these aliens can't figure out why we treat eachother like garbage.....

Wasn't that Jesus' message too? He treated others very kindly....

Todays modern world is all about dominating whoever you have to in order to keep up with the mythical Joneses....

In response to the OP and the thread:

Rational thought is FTW.

Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Which to me means that they don't even believe in the CHANCE of deities existing. I am going to assume that most people who praise rational thought and logic are agnostic. Not atheist.

I am agnostic.
I will use an example here to show how I decide on which is more likely. Intelligent Alien lifeforms existing outside of our own world, or a "GOD".

Alien Life: So far, a MASSIVE amount of compelling (in NO WAY solid) evidence has been brought forth supporting the existence of alien life outside (perhaps even inside) our own world. This compelling, and again, in no way SOLID, evidence has come forth in the form of pictures, eye witness accounts, scientifically supported theories, so on and so on.

God: So far, the only compelling evidence that has come forth supporting the existence of god are stories of eye witness accounts.

Conclusion: So, RATIONALLY, since absolutely NO solid evidence has been brought forth supporting EITHER claim I must conclude that neither exist. If someone were to ask me which I thought was most plausible, I would say alien life. Why? Because there is FAR more compelling evidence supporting their existence over the existence of 'God'. However, to remain rational, I also have to admit that it is still possible that a God does exist, even though it seems FAR less likely.

The idea of a "god" or an all powerful, all knowing being originated SOMEWHERE. The first self aware, cognitive, upright standing 'human' or homo-sapien, whatever you wish to call it, did NOT know of the term GOD, or "All powerful being". He did not know WHY he existed, or HOW he existed. He merely knew he existed. So, ages and ages went by until SOMETHING happened to these early 'humans' to make them go "wtf?". Now, since they were so simple, and had very few ways to describe things, they had to think of new ways. Eventually when mankind was a bit more advanced, ohhhh lets just say the Bible days, when good ol' Jesus was running around, and Moses and so on, they witnessed 'something' that they did not yet have a word to describe. They had to task their simple minds to find a way of describing it, and making sense of what they saw. So, ultimately they said "Welp. It clearly has abilities far beyond what we have..And it's not HUMAN....sooo.... hmm..what do we call it....." and they decided on a god, or an all knowing being, or whatever.

I believe that they did not see a 'magical all knowing, all powerful being'. They saw alien lifeforms who were not from this earth. I'm not the first one to say this, as I'm sure its been said thousands of times before. They saw aliens. Perhaps a gleaming ship, perhaps a being of pure energy or thought, who knows, but it was incredible and inexplicable to them.

So in a sense, even the events written about in the BIBLE strengthen the plausibility of the existence of alien life, and NOT a 'magical all powerful omnipotent' being.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Qemyst
In response to the OP and the thread:

Rational thought is FTW.

Atheism is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. Which to me means that they don't even believe in the CHANCE of deities existing. I am going to assume that most people who praise rational thought and logic are agnostic. Not atheist.

That is not true.

All Atheist are Agnostic. They just ask for proof of a god.

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Ahh, thank you for clarifying.