Atheists: You believe in UFO's but not God?

If you cannot identify a flying object it is a ufo, therefore proof is no longer needed as it exists. Plenty of proof of ufos is out there just go on youtube and look for some, and if you cannot identify a object from the videos there is your proof. Seeing a ufo does not mean it is extraterrestrial it just means you don’t know what it is, so comparing it to something like god which is solely based on faith is quite different. There is evidence of ufos and the same cannot be said for god (pictures of Jesus or any deity on bread does not count). Nonetheless, I am not atheist but agnostic and do have some level of faith, just not in religion. Therefore, it does make more sense to believe in ufos compared to god.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
When there are thousands of witness testimonies claiming to either have been abducted or seen aliens, tens of thousands of images and videos of UFOs, and a universe so incredibly vast and filled with hundreds of billions of stars with the potential for life in nearly every solar system, 8 bodies which could harbor life in our solar system alone, then obviously alien life exists.

When there are millions of witness testimonies claiming to either have been contacted by or seen God and a universe so incredibly vast and filled with hundreds of billions of stars with the potential for life in nearly every solar system which supposedly came from virtually nothing, then obviously God exists.

I'm an agnostic, but I'm just saying it could easily be turned around. Pictures and videos mean nothing because it's incredibly easy to fake. There are also millions of witness testimonies of the paranormal, but since it cannot be scientifically proven it does not exist, right?

Ironically, the God and angels of the Bible was nothing more than aliens mistaken for heavenly beings. That's my belief and there is plenty of evidence for that even though some like Tightenskull will say there is no evidence.

I used to believe that the universe was created but now I'm not so sure. To me there are 4 options:

1. God did it.
2. A small ball of virtually nothingness (some say an incredibly large ball of gaseous matter) exploded and eventually became an unimaginably large unending universe teeming with life, intelligent and otherwise.
3. Something completely unimaginable which we will never discover.
4. Something completely unimaginable, except that we will eventually discover it (scientific view, i.e. we don't know yet, but some day we will).

1 and 2 sound equally preposterous so I'm leaning toward option 3.

Originally posted by NeverApologize
reply to post by loves a conspiricy

 

Nice one liner! Perhaps you can engage further and prove to me you "Facts"?

Silly atheist...

Silly atheist for believing life could exist outside our planet and that some of them may have visited our planet? Definitely much sillier than believing that a man appeared out of nowhere and then created all the planets and all the life, including their very complicated workings, in just days... when science has proven that the world is much, much older than religion says? (Just btw, since you decided to use an unfair generalization of atheists in saying they all believe in aliens I thought I'd start off with an unfair generalization of what Christians believe.)

Who knows what is really true, whether such things as aliens, life on other planets, heaven, hell and god exist... but many people who believe in aliens have based that view off of things they have seen or scientific studies. Christianity, on the other hand, is made up of stories from the Bible, which contains many stories that have been reasonably debunked. I'm not saying that that means all of the Bible and Christianity is wrong (personally I would take the reasoning that the stories are simply exaggerations of things that happened or not being able to fully understand what they were seeing/experiencing), but between the two things, God vs aliens, science is on the side of aliens (read: life outside our planet).

The number one story I always hear that makes believers out of unbelievers (or strengthening a believers faith) is praying for something and it happening. But on the other hand, look at how many other people are left to die horribly and painfully, though pray everyday for help. From the number of people who pray for help and receive it vs the amount that pray and don't receive help, it can easily be written off as coincidence along with possibly the power of mind and/or how complex the human body is (when discussing unexplained healing).

Just as you ask for this "proof" that atheists are right in their thinking, you should be presenting "proof" that Christianity is the right thinking. Fact is, in both cases here, neither side has hard proof that they exist (on the alien vs God debate... UFOs are 100% real as their definition is "unidentified flying object", nothing relating to alien life).

This is why there are so many discussions and debates and questions about every single religion, as well as aliens. There are no facts. When there are, there will be no reason to debate if that view is wrong/right. Sure we have stories of people being healed by prayer, being spoken to by God or even seeing Jesus... but the same can be said about believers in aliens (except of course seeing aliens rather than Jesus)... it's absolutely not proof. I've had family members "healed by prayer" after they were told they wouldn't last more than two weeks, but they lived on for over a year... while that has made a believer in some of my relatives it didn't do it for me. I'm a proof person, without actual proof I'm not really going to have a firm belief in something. I'm kind of a believer in a lot of things, included in those things are the things listed here... aliens, God and atheism. There just isn't really any hard facts to convince me to fully believe in something or to disbelieve, I can just really see things as how possible or likely they are.

Both are based on Faith.

If you believe aliens but:
-YOu have no Alien to show
-No UFO
-You only BELIEVE a picture or a video is real
-YOu use the size of the universe to say there must be aliens
-You believe in stories (History/Discovery Channel specials, Books, "he say/ she say" 90% at face value.


Believe in God
-Basically the same as above
-Except the fact that Aliens have not been found in the "Infinite Universe", could thought that us on earth are a miracle.

I believe in God and I believe in Aliens. If there is a God there is no reason he has a limit on what/who he can create.

I do not believe aliens are our gods. I believe that is cultish. And a bit of Misinfo.
I believe because you have read a book, and if you are ufo nut and alien nut like I am who have read all types of books and watched many shows on this topic, we should not forget that some people like to skew data to fit their needs.

You can make the Argument about:
Global Warming
2012
Elenin
etc.

Just based on the MANY ALIEN/UFO Religions out there, they just seem cultish in my opinion.

Basically if your a Atheist who believe that God is fairy tale, and Aliens are legit, I just think they should open their eyes and believe in both, or neither.

To believe in Creatures with powers coming to earth, with pyschic powers, mind reading channeling etc, can also be seen as fairy tale, mainly for the same fact..you have no legit proof.

All in my opinion

I think there is a balance to be struck, the reason I dont believe in GOD is because god is an easy answer, you cant comprehend it so say GOD did it.
If you wanted to send yourself mad, think about the Universe, then think what is beyond it, then think what is beyond that, keep going until you get an answer.
Unfortunately, no-one can explain where the universe ends, we could say its square or flat, but we did that with the earth hundreds of years ago and were proven wrong.
So hundreds of years ago when we proved the earth wasnt flat (and stuck a few fingers up at god theory) the FLAT SOCIETY said, ok then, so the earth is round and what else.
Well it took a while and scientists proved the Earth was round and it roatated around the sun, the dark was because the sun was on the opposite side and so on.
And hubble and so on have shown how massive the galaxy is but it is to huge and there is no way us mere humans, an existense in this thing, can comprehend it, we cant cos out brains and expereince and technology will not be able to put put SPACE into human comprehension (just yet).

So we make up GOD.

But all these religious god botherers, never ask which world GOD lives in, it just exists. You know why it exists, because it the only answer that people who need an answer look to.

I am an atheist, I dont beleive in god, i dont beleive in the after life, i wish i did, i wish i would see my deceased family again, I know I wont, it makes me sad, i wish i beleived i would see them, I wont see them.

But pretending there is an almighty being is the most immateur shat ever, we die, its end of.

Is there life on another plant? Of course there is. Why do i beleive in UFOs and not God...

Are you serious, if god exists, what world does he/she/it live in? Does God live alone, does god live in a universe, does god have children?

If yo beleive in god and you cant explain its existence, then it is you who is a retarded person. Wake up...

reply to post by NeverApologize


Check my sig (The AAT link) - that's why!

You're welcome.

reply to post by fooks


Inadequate answer.

IRM

reply to post by MisterBurns


We did not make God.......he made us.

He is everything and in everything.

He dwells inside us all.


We are his childeren.

reply to post by Minori


Man created God, not the other way around.

If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent Him. - Voltaire

I have always seen more evidence towards UFOs than anything involving any religion. Also, UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects, the stigma attached to the named always suggests that whatever is in the sky is alien. It's just something in the sky that we can't identify, it doesn't always need to be aliens/people from the future/etc...

People are allowed to believe whatever they want. The problem is when one's beliefs impose a limitation leading to close-mindedness, bigotry, and ignorance. As Gandhi once said, there is no such thing as a religion overriding morality which is something I hope all fundamentalists and extremists will someday learn.

As has been repeated ITT, it isn't irrational to believe in aliens. Some at NASA believe the Viking mission did indeed find evidence of life, at least on a microbial level. Not necessarily Earth-like life. Scientists have long ignorantly believed that any potential life must be Earth-like and H2O-based until that arsenic-based life debate (which still continues) came about. If the elements, the planets, the stars, and the galaxies are recurring an infinite number of times it would be very selfish to believe there isn't or never was alien life.

Why can't this same logic be applied to god? It can actually although it's more of an agnostic theist belief than an atheist one. By god I mean god the creator(s) as in some sort of cosmic architect(s) but NOT a supreme being that requires worship. They are no more gods than we would be if we created sentient robots (like in Blade Runner).

As for aliens visiting us, I've never had a UFO encounter. I suppose it's plausible. There is certainly plenty of eye witness testimony and not all of it can be fake. This testimony isn't even new and you can find it in writing from antiquity, scripture, paintings, etc. Another explanation is an advanced ancient civilization, possibly of extraterrestrial origin, but possibly also of Earthly origin. They could be hiding out in plain sight, in mountains, under water, on the other side of the moon, who knows. It's not irrational to believe in this sort of thing because it is plausible. A jealous one all-powerful god who requires worship is not plausible unless they are a false god.

It is irrational to take scripture at face value. Biblical canon was decided upon 300 years after Jesus had lived, decided by humans and not the 'wisdom of god' or whatever. They removed Gnostic material and invented the holy trinity. In recent times it has been warped via rapturous dispensationalism. The fundamentalists and the evangelicals have been tricked. The god of the Old Testament is certainly not a god I would ever pray to either. It belongs in a prison or worse. Another thing is the often-pointed out Egypt connection (among others). When you end a prayer in "Amen" you invoke the monotheistic Egyptian concept (and tradition of saying its name) of a god named Amun. Atum is very similar to the biblical Adam. Set/Seth is very similar to the Hebrew Seth and also has elements of Lucifer. He is also known as Seten (Satan). Those devoted to their faiths will argue that based on names you cannot compare them but it's not just names but what the gods represent. It is common sense, you need an atheist or an agnostic to point this stuff out whose mind is not governed by nonsense.

Athiest. If your willing to consider the plausibilty of people bieng in contact with aliens You have to then consider all the whole story not just the bits which are convenient for your beliefs. I have just read a book called top secret which has a detailed section on people supposedly being in contact with extraterestials and when the subject of God came up. The Aliens all believe in a creator. There was only one kind of Alien that did not believe in a creation and they were called the greys which apparantly are supposed to be evil. In short. If aliens exist they would know better than humans if a creator exist or not. In my research I have found that aliens also beleive in spirits(which is proof of concept God bieng a spirit), they are also religous.

Athiest.
Fact 1. You do not need to know the origon of the creator of something in order to decide whether the thing in question was created or not. You dont know if the creator origon question is related to or bigger than question of how life came about on earth.

Fact 2. Organic Life(By which i mean cells that can duplicate themselves)., has only been known to come from pre- existing life. Therefore you have to conclude that organic life can only come from pre-existing life until someone can proove otherwise.

Conclusion organic life was created by an unknown creator whose origon remains unknown.

you cant just go around grouping people like this it doesnt make sense. its really not fair to some people. your basically saying that if your an atheist you believe in aliens its just plain stupid

reply to post by NeverApologize


Well aliens aka extraterrestrials are simply beings not of this world, this does not indicate spiritual or higher power being. I believe in that because they say another earth planet would be like hitting the lotto which for the universe considering its size has pretty good odds that the earth lotto has been hit more than a few times. Since a lot of these other earth like planets could also be a lot older than earth, it is likely that similar evolution has taken place producing beings like earth has produced. Altho I myself also do not close my mind off to a higher power being as if the universe is infinite then so are the possibilities. God, gods are human words given to describe something they witness at that time. I am not an atheist or agnostic or religious. I am simply curious and have questions because all debates come to the same conclusion that cant and will not be answered in our time which is, "So what came before that?"

Originally posted by MisterBurns
Is there life on another plant? Of course there is. Why do i beleive in UFOs and not God...

Are you serious, if god exists, what world does he/she/it live in? Does God live alone, does god live in a universe, does god have children?

If yo beleive in god and you cant explain its existence, then it is you who is a retarded person. Wake up...

There is no PROOF of aliens on another planet.
Where are the aliens coming from?
How are they getting here? Legit science not hypotheticals
Are they "Mole People and live under the ground?"



No are no photos of Mr. Reptillians, Mr. Gray, or his "magical Spaceship".

People point to ancient drawing, and tv shows and books by people who have intepreted these for money and their own personal glory and advancement.

People point to equations that have so far proven to be total BULL#.

People point to Magical creatures that magically come into people bedroom and "do things to peoples bodies."
And they can walk through walls, and they communicate psychically... LOL come on..

All UFO believers got is fuzzy lights in the sky..
And Books
And TV shows....

Its all about what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE.

Isn’t it the ruler of the church who teaches his children:

The Vatican's chief astronomer says that believing in aliens does not contradict faith in God.
The Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, the Jesuit director of the Vatican Observatory, said that the vastness of the universe means it is possible there could be other forms of life outside Earth, even intelligent ones.

In an interview published Tuesday by Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes said that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures.

The interview was headlined "The extraterrestrial is my brother."

Funes said that ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom.

p.s. It looks like that all the Christians are already being tought to believe in Aliens. Thats an extra 3 billion people who believe in Aliens. Who needs me saying: I want to believe

Originally posted by NeverApologize
reply to post by ypperst

 

I believe in God because when I was ten years old I had a massive brain tumor. I was given 6 months at max to live, with treatment.

Long story short, I was healed without medicine and only with prayer. That would make a non-believer believe right?

That's great but that doesn't happen to every christian, and miracles happen all the time to other people in other religions as well.I certainly wouldn't mind it at all if god or jesus answered my prayers and made my wish come true. Heck, i'm open to believing in Jesus and god and praying to them, if does the above and makes you any happier.

But somehow I doubt that's what you are asking for, I feel there's alot more that's loaded behind your question, which asks alot more from us like believing in god in a certain way that agrees with the way you see god, that all non-believers will go to hell including all our friends and family and accepting wihtout question a rigid scriptural interpretation of the bible as the infallible word of god, when not even every denomination of christiantiy will agree on a set interpretation or the un-ending chasm between protestants and catholics. (BTW I favor catholicism if that doesn't get your goat)

Originally posted by Greekoo
Athiest.
Fact 1. You do not need to know the origon of the creator of something in order to decide whether the thing in question was created or not. You dont know if the creator origon question is related to or bigger than question of how life came about on earth.

Fact 2. Organic Life(By which i mean cells that can duplicate themselves)., has only been known to come from pre- existing life. Therefore you have to conclude that organic life can only come from pre-existing life until someone can proove otherwise.

Conclusion organic life was created by an unknown creator whose origon remains unknown.

I need a little clarification to fully comprehend your comment.......

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reply to post by NeverApologize


The only possible answer to your question is also, at least for me, blatantly obvious.

Atheism and religious beliefs in general has NOTHING to do with belief in UFO's. Saying you do or do not believe an all-powerful being created a sandbox universe is much, MUCH different than saying you believe in off-earth lifeforms. The reality, however is simple: You shouldn't believe in either. You should seek the truth, you should want to know. And because we as a species are so limited in our view of the universe, we unfortunately don't really know anything.

Enough metaphysics for me.