The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

I have refuted you “ republic” guys twice already. If you don’t know that tis country is a democracy, because you read something about a republic, then you know little about history and the philosophy of government, not to mention that my OP said nothing about America being a democracy or republic exclusively. The fact of the matter is that technically this country is a democracy and a republic and not one over the other.

You are quite correct. The U.S. is a democratic republic.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by KrazyJethro

 

America is a democracy and Republic!

The Tea party I said is anti-democratic. They have not remotely the majority of the American people supporting their issues and certainly not their methods.

Definition of democracy: a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

This statement is false. The basic premise of your argument, that the tea party represent a small fraction of the population - is invalid and not consistent with evidence.

reply to post by 46ACE


turn about is fair play? how about two wrongs don't make a right. The tea party is delusional. they see a speeding car and say we must stop it, so lets put K-rails in the middle of the street in front of it.

they aren't stopping the tragedy, they are making it larger and much more deadly. children playing with a rifle.

reply to post by angrysniper

if the tea party is such a majority then why are there only a handful of them? the tea party is just another right wing loon movement bent on throwing as many wrenches into the works as they can. there is no attempt to fix anything only to obstruct and destroy.

Originally posted by angrysniper
The basic premise of your argument, that the tea party represent a small fraction of the population - is invalid and not consistent with evidence.

Can I see that 'evidence', or is it secret?

reply to post by inforeal


The tea parties are a reaction to the 2008 elections. They weren't around during the vote for the Iraq war, they weren't around during the introduction of the patriot act, they only really took a national hold with those on the right on tax day conveniently during the first year of Obama's administration. Tea partiers cite their activities during the Bush administration ofcourse, although this was during the election season, and alot of the rallies were well smaller, and a promotion of Republican candidate Ron Paul. My point? The tea parties are reactionary, politically. It's an astroturf campaign and that's that. You want to see where the interests of many of the 85 GOP freshman went? Go do and check their voting records.

There are afew exceptions of GOP tea party freshman, the likes of Rand Paul which I don't agree with in many things, but believe he has truly stood a liberty in certain cases (against the patriot act), but this is a minority out of the tea party establishment.

When the next Republican comes into office, the tea parties will crawl back into their holes to await for another time when their services are needed, another democratic or liberal to rally against and that's that. This isn't about liberty for the vast majority of tea parties, this isn't really about freedom or what's this, this is cultural, this is political, this is republican vs democrat, just more pawns in the DC political game. They certainly don't hold my interests.

As for the rest of the GOP or Dems, we're well aware of where many of them stand. Im sick of them all to be honest, Sanders, kucinich, the only ones I can stand. Rand and Ron Paul, their economy and ideological policies in my opinion will make our problems far more worse, but by the least at moments when it concerns the patriot act or the iraq war, they stand for what's right.

If the tea party are so hardcore about following the constitution and doing what the founding fathers wanted for the country then why are they doing the opposite of what they say? Amendment 16 gives the government the right to collect taxes on incomes. And when it comes to the founding fathers lets see what Thomas Jefferson had to say about taxes.

"Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by the individual." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.

"Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions of property in geometrical progression as they rise." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1785

"The collection of taxes... has been as yet only by duties on consumption. As these fall principally on the rich, it is a general desire to make them contribute the whole money we want, if possible. And we have a hope that they will furnish enough for the expenses of government and the interest of our whole public debt, foreign and domestic." --Thomas Jefferson to Comte de Moustier, 1790.

"We are all the more reconciled to the tax on importations, because it falls exclusively on the rich, and with the equal partition of intestate's estates, constitutes the best agrarian law. In fact, the poor man in this country who uses nothing but what is made within his own farm or family, or within the United States, pays not a farthing of tax to the General Government, but on his salt; and should we go into that manufacture as we ought to do, he will pay not one cent." --Thomas Jefferson to Pierre Samuel Dupont de Nemours, 1811

If you combine what Jefferson said about taxing the wealthy with the preamble of the constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

He wanted America to be a socialist country. The founding fathers wanted this country to serve everyone not the top few percent.

reply to post by inforeal
This game by you people posting the Tea Party is bad for this county is all a bunch of hogwash...The main stream media is telling you how to think, instead of doing your own reserch and learing what is really going on... The United States has to pay our bills take the Medicene Now...Were already China's bitch with all the money we owe them... I figure with your crap about Nirbu on here there will be nothing left anyways, so why not pay our bills...Maybe ill spend more then i take in and live it up and not have to worry about paying for my bills either, and then when i'm broke i'll take your tax payers money and use it on food stamps...

"Abuse of power"?!?

Do you realize how asinine that statement sounds?

Please explain how a MINORITY can abuse power over a majority?

the tea party is ran by a bunch of right wing nutjobs.

They hate Education because its "elitist" everyone needs to be on a farm somewhere. That's why they want to cut it, also that's the cause of the misspelled signs.

What other type of person would nominate a witch for public office, or consider insane religous lady with demons in her head.

Originally posted by MCP001
"Abuse of power"?!?

Do you realize how asinine that statement sounds?

Please explain how a MINORITY can abuse power over a majority?

Apartheid.

Its far more common than people think. 90% of all wealth on earth is controlled by 1% of the human population. Thats pretty assinine.

I haven't seen anyone else post this, ya'll know how the fed used to get money? It was given to them by the state government. It wasn't until WW1 that the federal government got a taste of it's own money through the 'voluntary' income tax that they propaganda'd in WW2 to say it was mandatory.

reply to post by inforeal


Amen!!!!

These Neanderthal TeaBags are attempting a Social Revolution, and they don't care who they kill to achieve it. I have been voting since Goldwater and have never seen anything as vile as these TeaBags.

But, America is awake, demographics are changing ... www.nationaljournal.com... ... conservatism and TeaBaggery will be eradicated from America, by any and all means at this Nation's disposal. They will receive no quarter. They will receive no kindness.

reply to post by inforeal


THey are an invasion force attempting to take over America. We will no longer tolerate them.

This is the complete truth of the matter. We are spiraling into an ecomonic martial law situation, If everyone listens to the news you only hear what they want you to know. God forbid if you ignore the news, or read it with an open mind and look through the BS. All politicians are the same, Republican, Democratic, Tea Party, Independent, Green Party or whatever name they will come up with during the next election. They all get their 150K+ paychecks from the same place. They do not work for us, they do not even like us, I have been unemployed going on 3 years in November, and do you think I get unemployment, NO, I have to make ends meet on a day to day basis for a family of 5. I get food stamps, but that is the only assistance I get. I don't have health insurance, I don't get to sit and perform a scare tactic for the Americans who need the help the most and get paid 150K+ per year. If they really cared about this situation why have they not talked about taking a drastic cut in pay, they are all worth millions courtesy of the pharmaceutical, healthcare, tobacco, and oil industries. That is who they really work for anyways, they are corporate servants, not public servants, and anyone who sees them as anything else watches too much news. I do not vote, I will not vote, it does not make a difference anyways. We need to do away with our government, the rich used to be taxed 70-90%, and now they are taxed 16%. This is ridiculous, if you make 55K they take 24%, but if you make $1,000,000,000 you only have to pay $160,000,000 that leaves you 840,000,000 and you cry that you can't survive. Give me and effing break. I make about $200 a week doing odd jobs and the government is going to want $50 of it. That leaves me with $150 to raise 3 kids and take care of my old lady. Not to mention that we now have to supply everything for our child to go to school. $350 worth of school supplies this year for a 6th grader because federal funding has been cut 20,000,000 this year, 17,000,000 last year, and 12,000,000 the year before, and they closed 5 schools this year, and 3 last year so the classes just got bigger. How can they take so much from our kids, but our effing military is hiring with up to $60,000 sign on bonuses. HMM.... Am I just ranting, or is there something seriously messed up with this picture. How did this country get this bad? POLITICIANS I used to make good money 55K as a mechanic, now there are no jobs to be had and the FORD dealership I worked at closed down. Everyone will see the end of freedom is near, they are just starting with our money. If you do not own a gun, I would suggest everyone who reads this buys one, because that freedom will come next. To end this post, I am far from crazy, I have just been watching what is going on in the world and I truly think that we are trying to default to start a war with China so we can wipe them off the map and eliminate 30+% of our debt. It is the most logical way to get out of this situation and you know how we like to start wars. Think about it any input is appreciated.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
reply to post by Bramble Iceshimmer

 

The idea, going back to pre Civil War state sovereignty, looks good on paper, but...

Some of the states can't handle the responsibility. California for instance.

Sure Texas and Lousiana would be fine, but most of the US is not like Texas.

We need to look at the problems facing the nation in a practical and not an idealistic manner. Idealism not tempered by realism is fanaticism, which will only result in making things worse.

"Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner. Freedom is the lamb has a gun."

reply to post by dakota1s2

Very nice they are actually delivering on their agenda that they were elected for WE THE PEOPLE

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THEY ARE DOING WHAT THEY PROMISED LIKE IT OR NOT THAT IS BETTER THAN MOST DEMS AND REPS

reply to post by WAITINGforTHEnsaTOknock3 YEARS ON UNEMPLOYMENT and food stamps are you looking for a job or just applying online I suggest selling cars or sales of any kind maybe delivering pizza i made about 15 bucks an hour doing it back in my college days I have had several jobs the last 2 years they all sucked but if you sit and wait it will never come.Try a couple of car lots you might be good or pizza delivery 15 bucks and hour after gas GOOD LUCK