Population control Isn't it about time?

Originally posted by bacci0909
The current population isn't 9 billion, it's closer to 7 Population Data

Even if this was a legitimate problem (which, it may be), what frightens me is that it's largely the behind-the-scenes, shadow governments that speak of it the most. Less-than-publicized meetings between elite billionaires and such. It goes back to the question of who is in the position to play God?

John Lennon talks about overpopulation

Right, this is the agenda of UN Agenda 21 and the Globalist Elite. It has been so since the early 1900s when Margaret Sanger started her American Birth Control League(which is now Planned Parenthood). Sanger believed that women would have a better life if they were not forced to bear so many children. Thomas Malthus also believed that only the wealthy and the healthy should live, and the rest allowed to perish. The Rockefellers funded Sanger's operation. Today the UN funds programs of abortion, sterilization, and limited family programs the world around.

Originally posted by brilab45

Originally posted by NeillieN

Originally posted by brilab45
We as humans are ignorant and arrogant. Who really thinks that we are a sustainable world with 10 billion people in it?

Well dude when you do the math and you can fit 3+ billion people comfortably just in the Mojave deserts square milage. I would be one of those people who think that. The resources we have are only mentally limited. Indeed "We as humans are ignorant and arrogant" yup i would agree...

Also.. if growing your own d*mn food in your own d*mn yard was legal... people would be doing better also. your quote was a huge understatement of what we as people are capable of inventing / creating. I think i remember correctly... umm... i think we invented this thing where we could grow food inside... whats it called... of yeah hydroponics! sprouts are good also and a little less technical. Are you telling me with all the knowledge we have, that we could not figure things out. sh*t they already have been figured out. Clean Free energy exist, Tesla!!!

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Correction... 370 million people would fit. So what I did one calculation wrong. "Im human" look around... we f*ck up all the time.

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True. No argument from me. Sorry for the one liner.

Originally posted by brilab45
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True. No argument from me. Sorry for the one liner.

It was more aimed at nunya13

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How the hell would 7 billion people fit on a 1000 sq ft piece of land EACH! if Texas is only 262, 000 sq miles. That means only 262 people would fit into Texas if they each had 1000 sq ft of land. Even if you give everyone 1 acre they wouldn't fit.

Really now Where did you learn your Math Did you graduate Grade School?

1024 sq Ft is 32x32 Ft

So how is 262,0000 sq miles

only fitting 262 people into 32ft x 32 ft squares? In Texas?

Really Now

DIS INFO MUCH>?

How the hell would 7 billion people fit on a 1000 sq ft piece of land EACH! if Texas is only 262, 000 sq miles. That means only 262 people would fit into Texas if they each had 1000 sq ft of land. Even if you give everyone 1 acre they wouldn't fit.

Before you say such absurd things you might want to be certain you know how to do Math

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Originally posted by NeillieN

Originally posted by TheUniverse
That's because what they teach in your College course is Grade A Propaganda.

When you learn how technologically advanced humans are becoming over-population won't be a problem

I surmise you've never heard of hydroponics, nano-tech, quantum computing, and many other great inventions and discoveries that will propel our race into further growth and sustainability.

EXACTLY!!!!

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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorusRight, this is the agenda of UN Agenda 21 and the Globalist Elite.

I know right - have you looked at that plan and how much red (no-go for humans) is on the map of the US?

If that doesn't scare an American nothing will....

Originally posted by Golf66

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorusRight, this is the agenda of UN Agenda 21 and the Globalist Elite.

I know right - have you looked at that plan and how much red (no-go for humans) is on the map of the US?

If that doesn't scare an American nothing will....

Indeed!

there is plenty of uninhabited land mass. just cause people flock to the city they think its crowded. go live in the country and see how many miles your closest neighbor is

reply to post by Reaper2137


Those who deny that overpopulation is a problem are tragically duped by well-meaning propaganda.

Reality is... we're causing the planet's 6th Great Extinction:
www.actionbioscience.org...

We're also depleting the planet of non-renewable resources.

It'd be nice if we could fit an infinite number of humans happily on this planet, but the cold reality is that WE CANNOT. There are limits to population growth, resources, and satisfaction that most people can get out of an increasingly crowded, and therefore scarcer, world.

Like any other species, human population is a function of FOOD SUPPLY. Human population did not gradually increase until we got to where we are today. Human population during prehistory was quite low and grew VERY VERY SLOWLY... that is, until the AGRICULTURAL REVOLUTION. The agricultural revolution essentially was an EXPLOSION in population via totalitarian agriculture. This created massive surpluses of high-energy/low-nutrient foods which, like grain stocks and mice, created massive surplus and thus increased population. This trend continued on into the present day where population doubled from BILLIONS to BILLIONS MORE in a mere 35 years. This is insane, it's playing with fire, and for anybody to deny it simply because they don't wanna feel guilty/depressed is insane and irresponsible.

Please read:

The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race

and (for analysis/solutions)...

World Food and Human Population Growth

In my opinion, given the current distribution of human populations on the planet, and the unequal and inefficient distribution of food, water, and other resources, should we persist in these behaviors, overpopulation is absolutely a problem. However, I do not believe it to be an inherent or unavoidable problem, simply because we are not bound to persist in these behaviors.

Not counting wildlife preserves, reservations, protected habitats, etc. there is still an enormous amount of uninhabited, undeveloped land covering the surface of the Earth. Many developed nations waste inordinate quantities of food. If we invested the planning, time, resources, money, and brain power into spreading our species more evenly across the globe and more efficiently distributing food and other resources, overpopulation could cease to be an issue for the foreseeable future (particularly given estimates by the U.N. and others that the global population will eventually begin to decline in the future.)

The problem is that we have become tied to the current way of settling and doing business. We cluster near coastlines and large metropolises. Population centers spring up primarily where there are industry, business, and local resources. And the efficiency with which those centers consume and dispose of resources is far from what it could be. In my opinion we must begin to spread ourselves out more, find ways to be more efficient, make ourselves more interconnected over vast distances than we even already are, and eliminate waste.

Right now, the prospects for this actually happening are quite dim, though. Businesses continue to function and zone as they always have, and people continue to take the paths of least resistance and remain inefficient. If this status quo persists, then overpopulation and scarcity will become the scourge of our civilizations in due time. And that is a tragedy, because in my opinion all of this can be averted without the need for depopulation or population control. Whether we will is the issue, not whether we can.

Just my two cents. Peace.

I'll give my two cents in this emotionally charged thread.
We have all at some time or another thought about restricting someones right to breed , whether it was hearing too many atrocities committed against children , or hearing some women having children to collect money or all the wrong reasons. I'm sure if we turned this into a conversation about whether child molesters who victimize their own kids , should be "allowed to create more victims " , targeted population control in the form of chopping the dudes/chics *ahem* off might gain some fans. However , ultimately ...it does not matter what the reason ..any kind of forced abortion , sterilization , medical treatment , comes down to a complete violation of fundamental human rights: Autonomy .
I get the point that we are literally rotting in our own stink , due to wastefulness , frivolity, naivety and greed. Doesn't make much sense to "feed the fire " so to speak with more ppl to pollute the pot? However , to say "hey , we can't stop the downward spiral we're on , we'll just stave off our doom a little longer by making human existence even worse , by punishing them for what their bodies were designed to do? "
I can bring up sources , however ...on average , educated people have less children ....this means that the ppl who will ultimately suffer this " population control " will be the poor and underclass....seems to me that population control is just perpetuating a cycle we are trying to EVOLVE from.
Just a thought: why is it I can walk through a forest all day and not see one edible fruit/ nut bearing tree ...I've not seen one " earth day " example of people planting edible trees. Homeowners landscape for beauty, but if they planted one fruit tree ..it could help so many people in the community.

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I don't know what is a sustainable population on planet Earth. I do think we will be limited by
available drinking water resources, and the effect of a changing world climate on food production.

As global warming takes a real grip, and rainfall patterns become even more erratic, I think we
will see more and more crop failures. This is already happening, but usually countries with good
harvests can make up for those who have a poor harvest. In time there could be a situation
where no one has a good harvest.. " Soylent Green " may have to take up the slack one day...

Thanks to all posters on this subject. It certainly got people fired up !

reply to post by MrJohnSmith


Yes you are correct it is about time, war is our leaders method of choice and they are currently culling as we speak!
I believe the final stages are being put in place in the ME in preparation for a massive cull.

I have long argued the case that population control will become a necessity sooner rather than later. I was on question time in the Uk recently as a member of the guest and I proposed the idea of means testing of individuals for suitability of being parents...... Not surprisingly this didn't go down too well and I got attacked.... fun trying to defend the proposal though! I'm sorry, but every day I see people with children that just do not have the skills to raise those children.... it's obvious, and it's a vicious circle.... they then raise kids that do exactly the same...

People should NOT be allowed to produce children until they can prove the following:-

1. They are financially secure and in a position to support said child and give it all the opportunities it deserves in life.
2. They are educated to a certain level to be able to make informed decisions about their childs upbringing and lifestyle.

Quite a controversial opinion this one... but I believe it to be the only way to stop the social disintegration we see all around us today....

The problem with this world of ours is stupidity.... I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, I'm just saying take all the safety labels of of everything and let the problem solve itself.....

Originally posted by PerfectAnomoly
The problem with this world of ours is stupidity.... I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, I'm just saying take all the safety labels of of everything and let the problem solve itself.....

This is something I can agree with.

Originally posted by e11888

Originally posted by PerfectAnomoly
The problem with this world of ours is stupidity.... I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, I'm just saying take all the safety labels of of everything and let the problem solve itself.....

This is something I can agree with.

There is a moral way of doing things and a unmoral way.

How about 1 child per house hold. Those with more than one child before the law is past, internationally...will be allowed to have their children from before the law. Grandfathered in.

In 50 years we will be living 1000 of years.

Every one must wait till their 1000 years is close to being up..to have a child.

I have not gotten to read all the posts, so if someone shared similar thoughts... well great minds think alike?? lol

I believe that there is a population problem, but not in the sense where it needs to be curbed, more so, it is the concentration of population in some areas. This planet is huge, and despite having so much space on this planet, some areas have a high concentration of people.

When there is a high concentration I think, it exhausts certain aspects of society, and it's just too crowded for one area. I am from Chicago, I took notice of the Projects. Some people like to blame race and what not, but it's more complicated than that. there is just too many people for one area, there are not enough jobs to support such large populations, and the government hand outs just don't cut the muster, also humans by nature get accustomed to getting handouts, and wind up trying to make easy cash (it's just one aspect of a population concentration so don't take it as me saying that is the only problem).

How often do small communities with a sparse population have such problems? A society can be self regulated a lot easier if there are not too many people to keep track of.

The real concentration camps are the government housing projects. Big cities with not enough work will start to deteriorate beginning with it's societal structure.

In short, population is not the problem, the problem is the high concentration of the population living in one area not large enough to sustain it.

Instead of coming up with reasons to kill off humans or stop them being able to have kids, shouldn't we really be thinking about how we can distribute the wealth of the planet more equally? Something like 90% of the wealth is in the hands of 10% of the people, and as far as I can figure it, the love for ones fellow human should rate much higher than the love of money.