Population control Isn't it about time?

reply to post by Maslo


www.astronomy.com...

Problem solved.

reply to post by Reaper2137


Food is quite easy to produce. It's so easy, in fact, it was the first thing humanity mass produced. Natural selection selected that as the hallmark of the birth of civilization. That's how easy it is. Literally, cavemen could do it.

reply to post by Reaper2137


Population Control Start With India & China having a Civil War or They have a WAR with Each Other

That right there Would reduce The World Population a BIt having no other County Interfere

reply to post by BadMagician


Things rarely stay the way they are.

reply to post by lilowl53


You know if you've already go, say, 3 kids and you can't pay your child support you do have a logical event there. However, fact is that you cannot punish a person until their actions directly threaten another. If that deadbeat dad beats his wife, then yes, you can go do that.

Mother nature is doing her best in northern Africa at the moment with natural population control. But the west keeps sticking their nose in giving aid. Sounds harsh but true, when the land can no longer support the masses they must dwindle to a number that can be supported. The same runs true with any species.

reply to post by Reaper2137


I am a single white male in my mid thirties who chose not to have children, I did not need to be sterilized I have always practiced safe sex and self control. So, when someone asked the following of the OP:

That sort of policy sounds like it could be implemented by a New World Order. So that being the case, would you suggest that unplanned pregnancies would constitute being a crime if the soon-to-be-mother should have the baby birth?

and read his short but simple response:
reaper2137:

Why does it have to be new world order? No but I would say after she is born to sterilize the mother

I was a bit offended and frankly a tad frightened to think that this is the mindset being taught in our universities..

I my friend am perfectly capable of deciding for myself (as a male) of choosing wether or not to become a parent. And i think it shows real lack of understanding on your part of the entirety of this issue, as well as a lack of empathy for the women who might have been raped and became pregnant as a result..

Should we really be punishing them?..

Should they never have the chance to become a mother with the one they Choose?

Lastly,

I do not want to see anyone including myself forced into mutilation.

Respectfully,

~Meathead

Originally posted by beezzer
Wen I see these threads, I have yet to find one that stated, "I (the OP) have gotten sterilized to support my belief that we have an overpopulation problem."

Just sayin'

My partner and I had an abortion due to our beliefs that there are already too many unwanted children. Best move we've ever made. we've decided that if we want children we would adopt.

Also: Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

reply to post by aorAki


You do realize that life is suffering?

Also, suicide in the cases not involving someone about to die gruesomely and suddenly, is usually a sure sign of mental instability.

reply to post by beezzer


I am not the OP, but my husband and I are both "sterilized". We made this decision after we had our first and only child. We did not see the logic of bringing more children into a world where thousands upon thousands of children die everyday of hunger and disease. We always intended to adopt more children but health problems and our own financial struggles prevented us from following through with our intentions. Our son and his wife have also decided not to have children.

We may not suffer from over population problems in this country, but that is not the case in many other "third world" areas across the globe. The basic problem in those places may not be over population by itself, but too many people for the available resources in that particular area. If there is not enough food and water to sustain a population of any given group of people in a proscribed area then "over population" becomes a problem, but one that can be ameliorated with improved access to resources.

I am fairly certain that if you asked any woman in the horn of Africa where war, drought and famine have ravaged the population for decades, would she prefer to birth more children only to watch them die or would she prefer not to have children until it is safe to do so, the choice for her would be very obvious.

Overpopulation isn't an issue....

I have some facts to back that up.....

The population is about over 6.9 billion people.

We take the lover 48 states of the USA which has a total land area of 2,914,652 square miles. At 640 acres per square mile, this amounts to:

1,865,377,280 acres

And the population into "families for 4" (yeah I know there are people with larger and smaller families out there but this is just an example, divide it any way you like...) We will have ... 1,725,000,000 families.

If we took each "family"and gave them each a whole acre of land on which to raise food and their families, you can see that the United States could easily hold all of the people in the world with room to spare! In fact, there would be enough room left for about another 600,000,000 people.

Approximately 365,377,280 acres will be left over in the US amounts which to 570,902 square miles, which means that you would have open area more than twice the size of Texas left after putting everybody in the world in the lower 48 states of America.

To put it more graphically, you could fit all of the people in the world in the United States and still leave the states of:

Oregon (97,132 sq mi)
New York (53,989 sq mi)
Colorado (104,100 sq mi)
Minnesota (86,943 sq mi)
Florida (59,928 sq mi)
Missouri (69,709 sq mi)
Wyoming (97,818 sq mi)
Rhode Island (1,231 sq mi)
totally free of people!

This would also leave the rest of the planet free of people, and available for growing food, recreation, or any other use that we might find. It should be obvious that the problem is not too many people.

Nobody is seriously contemplating moving all of these people, of course, but these simple calculations should prove beyond argument that the world does NOT suffer from overpopulation in any sense of the word.

reply to post by jaguarsky


Well actually a large number of Somalians believe that by breeding they'll defeat their enemy. It's a primitive idea, though logical, originating all the way back to the days of Rome.


Also I'd hate to tell you, but really, you contributed nothing by sterilizing yourself in a 1st world country. Your actions would matter in a region suffering, but not in a 1st world nation.

Also not to sound inhuman and purely Darwinist, but historically, people in bad suffering conditions are the ones that invent things to fix it if they get the proper education. Do you really think any of the children of rich fools will ever shed a tear for the suffering children in the world? Sad really. You could have raised maybe 3 more children with your idealism. Instead in their place will be more children raised to pump iron into a thug and die by a police.

reply to post by NiceKid007


Overpopulation is nothing more and nothing less than what you are willing to sacrifice. If you believe the world should be green and natural, then the Earth should really have no more than 2 million people, and no less than 50,000 people. if you believe that the population doesn't really have to abide to the natural world, then yes, the population of Earth is limitless because we can just keep building and building, enlarging the radius of the Earth indefinably. If you believe that the Earth should be some sort of Arcology mix of nature and civilization, then the world population limit is something like 15-20 billion or so.

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by aorAki

 

You do realize that life is suffering?

Also, suicide in the cases not involving someone about to die gruesomely and suddenly, is usually a sure sign of mental instability.

edit on 26-7-2011 by Gorman91 because: (no reason given)

"Usually". Key word. I'm not about to off myself, but I WILL be the last of my line.

The rest of your post is too obtuse for poor little me.

reply to post by aorAki


Well quite frankly, it's your right to do that. I suppose that's how evolution made something so complex as the human mind stable. Everyone unstable did what you did. No problem by me. Natural selection.

Originally posted by Reaper2137
reply to post by kro32

 

I have done extensive research on [population control] and yes it is a problem. Its Part of one of my majors in college.

That says a lot for education system then, doesn't it?

If you've allowed yourself to become indoctrinated and your rational obsfucated with this overpopulation tripe then that's your problem; just don't expect the rest of us to be as intellectually susceptible to globalist propaganda 101.

Sporadic population curves tend to themselves. Affluence and abundance don't equate with exponential increments.

ATS is an educated and self-nurturing community. "Experts", "authorities" or students with particular majors will have a tough time subverting logic - especially the obvious disinformation posted by the OP.

The true problem of the world is engineered and deliberate scarcity.

reply to post by Reaper2137


Your quote - "I have done extensive research on this subject and yes it is a problem. Its Part of one of my majors in college."

You need to think a little less bro, or more... something... Heres some non-college commonsense for ya, I mean "you"...

If you draw a strait line from Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV you would realize its about 150 miles.. With that in mind Las Vegas measures 15 miles wide by 15 miles long. So just in that strait line you could fit 10 Las Vegas size city's in a row.
Thats enough room for 19,512,690 more people right there alone.

Now think about that strait line going out in every direction... Last time I looked at a map there was a lot of open land just about everywhere. Then you must calculate that we dont all just live on the ground, we live in layers. In a time of skyscrapers our building advancements I think were safe to go a long long long time. The Mojave Desert is 25,000 sq miles do the math, Im sure they have that class in college.

Reply to post by Archie1879

whoa, your post is even more silly than the op itself...

i dont wanna sound ofensive, but utter ignorance like that should be avoided as its dextrimental to the regular brain function

mother nature provides for all, men divide and conquer.

africa is a rich continent in all types of resources, but the people are poor because they are exploited, better yet pimped.

africa and all poor and undeveloped nations and places are and have been stolen and exploited on your behalf

just go look up who are the former colonists and colonized before you rant about natural depopulation.




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reply to post by Reaper2137


Agreed. Need to wipe off all the lower class people. Create a pure elite society. Just look at all the rubbish absolutely useless people we have in society today especially in America.

Jersey Shore anyone?
Meet the Kardashians?
Everything on MTV.

Originally posted by NeillieN
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

Your quote - "I have done extensive research on this subject and yes it is a problem. Its Part of one of my majors in college."

You need to think a little less bro, or more... something... Heres some non-college commonsense for ya, I mean "you"...

If you draw a strait line from Barstow, CA to Las Vegas, NV you would realize its about 150 miles.. With that in mind Las Vegas measures 15 miles wide by 15 miles long. So just in that strait line you could fit 10 Las Vegas size city's in a row.
Thats enough room for 19,512,690 more people right there alone.

Now think about that strait line going out in every direction... Last time I looked at a map there was a lot of open land just about everywhere. Then you must calculate that we dont all just live on the ground, we live in layers. In a time of skyscrapers our building advancements I think were safe to go a long long long time. The Mojave Desert is 25,000 sq miles do the math, Im sure they have that class in college.

edit on 26-7-2011 by NeillieN because: (no reason given)

To add to that its about 3 billion people could just live in the mojave desert alone. What about water? Dig you will find it!