A Racist Conspiracy? Why are we taught that Black Africans never formed or ruled Ancient Egypt?

Regardless of whether or not Egypt was run by black Africans, advanced civilizations in Ethiopia and many other places certainly were.

The idea that black Africans were incapable of this centuries ago is laughable.

Disclaimer - I'm a white european male.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

Is your question really what race built the Pyramids or where did the knowledge of Egypt come from, the answers to those two questions may have very different answers.

South Africa is in Africa but who built it, did the native africans have the knowledge to build the powerstations etc?

Imagine the following, through a time machine you arrive at the building site of the great pyramid.

You ask some guy who is pulling a block why the pyramid is built the way it is? He says, I don’t know, I’m only doing what I am told, ask the stone mason who is cutting the blocks.

You go to the stone mason and you ask him the same question and he says, sorry I don’t know, I was told to cut 12 blocks of this size, I’m only doing what I am told, ask the scribe who gave me the orders.

So you go to the scribe and ask him the same question, and he tells you that he has been put in charge to oversee the work of only part of the pyramid and it is the pharaohs priests you need to talk to.

So you go the pharaohs priests and they tell you that the plan was produced by them under the order of pharaohs personal advisor the high priest.

You go to the high priest and he tells you everything you need to know. After this experience you realise that the real scientific knowledge to build the pyramid is not known to the masses (the common people) but only to a very select few at the top of the social pyramid.

Whilst talking to the high priest he informs you that this knowledge was originally give by the “gods” and that pharaoh is a blood descendent of those gods of antiquity.

Being a smart guy you realise that if you have a sample of the pharaohs blood you can check its DNA, use it for DNA mapping, this will reveal to you where this “knowledge” came from ie where those "gods" came from!

The high priest gives you a test-tube containing pharaohs blood and you get back in your time machine and go home.

The rest of the journey is yours, if you really do want to know where this knowledge came from you need to look at pharaohs DNA!

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Everyone approach this argument with respect, no matter how we look at it, these are our ancestors.
Nature never strikes twice, come on guys I remember this from elementary. Humans can't evolve into Humans, it makes absolutely no sense.
I touched on the subject and I brought massive facts to the table in page 7 and a few pages. First I would like to be the first to state Race as you guys speak of is a theory. Racism is the belief in the particular theory,
like common+unity=community and the belief there in would be communism. The twist you have made in your own mind and the definition others may have placed on may be wrong but lets deal with this like adults.

You guys are overlooking on important fact. ADAPTATION.

Wrongo homie. Race is not a theory. There are many different types of people here especially if you take into account race. People keep saying we are 99% the same we really we are about 4 to 6% different. When you are talking about genetic material, that's a whole lot.
There are different species within each race i.e. blond haired white people don't have the same origins as red haired green eyed people. Just like pygmies are different from tutsies. Now we can deal with what we have in common, but this fact should be known and stated. This is the main reason now everone is on this we are the world crap, but your world is me shining your shoes, and thinking my god is white and talks english and floating around in space or some stupid ish. No thanks.

No living being or creature would stop producing eumelanin in temperate or "normal" climates. Remember, are ancestors left the continent when it was 'safe' and migrated to other places. The Ice Age forced and trapped people into climates where there wasn't an over-abundance of vegetation nor sunlight. These conditions put a halt to the production of Eumelanin. Here goes ADAPTATION.....

Wrong again. Eumelanin is not the same as skin melanin. Everyone produce eumelanin, no matter the race. The adaptation you are talking about deals with the aryan race, and not all white people. Most people became monkeys, and still have the rh factor in their blood to prove it.

From India to Kush you see the same architecture and you see the same spiritual pillars holding these people up.

India was Kush and it is still referred to that to this day in certain parts. This is why that try to trick you by call the land of sheba cush with a C, and india Kush with a K. Don't be fooled. Look at the Dalits and the Dravidians of that land and then look and the modern ethiopians. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

This is one of the reasons I still love ATS. great thread except for some of the unnecessary racist comments

reply to post by DeNaga


thanks for sharing those great links. TRUTH shall and always will Prevail.

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

 

Is your question really what race built the Pyramids or where did the knowledge of Egypt come from, the answers to those two questions may have very different answers.

South Africa is in Africa but who built it, did the native africans have the knowledge to build the powerstations etc?

Imagine the following, through a time machine you arrive at the building site of the great pyramid.

You ask some guy who is pulling a block why the pyramid is built the way it is? He says, I don’t know, I’m only doing what I am told, ask the stone mason who is cutting the blocks.

You go to the stone mason and you ask him the same question and he says, sorry I don’t know, I was told to cut 12 blocks of this size, I’m only doing what I am told, ask the scribe who gave me the orders.

So you go to the scribe and ask him the same question, and he tells you that he has been put in charge to oversee the work of only part of the pyramid and it is the pharaohs priests you need to talk to.

So you go the pharaohs priests and they tell you that the plan was produced by them under the order of pharaohs personal advisor the high priest.

You go to the high priest and he tells you everything you need to know. After this experience you realise that the real scientific knowledge to build the pyramid is not known to the masses (the common people) but only to a very select few at the top of the social pyramid.

Whilst talking to the high priest he informs you that this knowledge was originally give by the “gods” and that pharaoh is a blood descendent of those gods of antiquity.

Being a smart guy you realise that if you have a sample of the pharaohs blood you can check its DNA, use it for DNA mapping, this will reveal to you where this “knowledge” came from ie where those "gods" came from!

The high priest gives you a test-tube containing pharaohs blood and you get back in your time machine and go home.

The rest of the journey is yours, if you really do want to know where this knowledge came from you need to look at pharaohs DNA!

And you said all of that without answering the question of what race they were. I don't know what you were trying to lead up to but you said south africans which leads me to believe you are like most on this thread trying say in a backwards way that black people couldn't build the pyramids. And the High priest you speak of were black.

Originally posted by somuchhtosay41
reply to post by DeNaga

 

thanks for sharing those great links. TRUTH shall and always will Prevail.

No problemo, I have this OCD thing at times but it comes in hand for ish like this

reply to post by DeNaga

Here you go DeNaga, now you enjoy!

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by DeNaga

 

Here you go DeNaga, now you enjoy!

You didn't anwer my question before first of all, then you come with this bs video where they put a picture up of a pharoah and then we infer that that was what he looked liked. Really? You think I am that stupid? You know nothing about aken-aton or his sun tut-ankh-aten.

It's surprising they found his bones seeing as though he we run out of tama-re for try to change the beliefs of the people.

You do know that lineage is traced through the mother because of mitochondria dna don't you? Why are they tracing it to the father? Do you know what akhnaton looked like? Well let's just say you pick the wrong dynasty and the wrong naga to f wit.

www.google.com... sAQ&biw=1024&bih=538

www.youtube.com...

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talking about high priest and ish like that and don't know ish...stupid is as stupid does.

what about his grandmother queen tiye?

come on man this is to easy, and i'm suppose to believe some recessive that has lied to everyone on the planet when I have not so common sense and facts, scuptures, and paintings.

Its impossible to have an intellectual debate or conversation on this site anymore, without trollz, weird New Age cultists and schizophrenics with delusions of grandeur showing up, claiming to know the truth.

For anyone out there who really wants to learn about Egypt and its phenomenal civilization sign up for classes at a nearby university.

Trying to really learn about anything on ATS is like trying to figure out the meaning of life from graffitti on bathroom stalls.

Gentlemen, I bid you all adieu.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Its impossible to have an intellectual debate or conversation on this site anymore, without trollz, weird New Age cultists and schizophrenics with delusions of grandeur showing up, claiming to know the truth.

For anyone out there who really wants to learn about Egypt and its phenomenal civilization sign up for classes at a nearby university.

Trying to really learn about anything on ATS is like trying to figure out the meaning of life from graffitti on bathroom stalls.

Gentlemen, I bid you all adieu.

Break out like a rash dude. All I asked you to do was to dispute any of my point or vids. Is that so hard? If you reall had some knowledge about it wouldn't be. I been trolling around on this site for about 6 years now. Most of the time I say nothing. I step out before when everyone was like "I'm O negative and blond haired and blue eyed so i"m chosen" bs. Had to shut that ish down.
Take a look at the first few pages of this thread and tell me that not some offensive ish seeing as though youi are talking about my decendants(don't worry, I know you don't why I said that). You will never learn our secrets, because as soon as someone questions you, and you can't respond, it's hogwash or something. Dude, you realize I'm just posting vids right?
"Weird new age" cultist? Really? Go to your local university where they will lie to you for the low, low, price or thousands of dollars so you post on sites like this one and think you actually know what you are talking about.
Man oh man. This ish is kindergarten. We ain't even talking about anything high level yet. But I guess this is the reason y'all over searching for something you will never find, cause it's right in your face.

Dispute a fact or STFU...My intention is to shut this thread down. You will not keep disrespect my descendants by claiming to be them when you don't know ish, and disrespect the people of africa who tried to befriend you.

I don't hate white people, let me just say that first and foremost. I just don't want to have nothing to do with y'all. Is that alright?

We all have to survive the best way we can, but I have to shut the nonsense down.


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reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


Egypt did have a fair share of the population being black Africans but they were mainly concentrated in the south, near Nubia. In fact, Nubia invaded and occupied Egypt in the 8th century BC, ruling for approximately a century, which I would say gives them a role in ancient Egyptian history. However, aside from the Hittite occupation of the Nile Delta and the Nubian occupation, the primary centers of civilization in Ancient Egypt were located in and around the delta. That area of Egypt and North Africa along the Mediterranean coast were occupied by humans with more of a Middle Eastern appearance.

Black Africans did indeed have advanced civilizations(at the time). However, I believe there are two reasons why these civilizations are not mentioned in secular western education. The first reason being that these civilizations did not provide much, if any, of a role in the history of the development of western civilization. The second reason being that Europeans were generally unaware of these civilizations due to various Islamic civilizations controlling the Middle East and North Africa for centuries. It was only after the colonization of Africa that evidence of these cultures was discovered, long after most of those civilizations vanished. I don't believe that it is Racism that prevents this history being taught.

For example, there was the Kingdom of Axum south of Egypt. They played a role in trade between the Roman Empire and India. Other civilizations of Africa include the Kingdom of Kush which predated Axum and indeed was conquered by that culture. There was also the Mali Empire and the Ethiopian(Abyssinia) Empire. The city of Timbuktu was an important trade center and a haven for Islamic scholarship. These are a few examples that I remember from my own personal search of History & culture. I realize that I have drifted a bit from the topic of Ancient Egypt but I wanted to point out that these civilizations existed. I explained why I believe they are not prime historical topics in the previous paragraph.

The history is out there. The sad part is it is simple apathy & disinterest that prevents many of our fellow human beings from doing the research.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze

 

Egypt did have a fair share of the population being black Africans but they were mainly concentrated in the south, near Nubia. In fact, Nubia invaded and occupied Egypt in the 8th century BC, ruling for approximately a century, which I would say gives them a role in ancient Egyptian history. However, aside from the Hittite occupation of the Nile Delta and the Nubian occupation, the primary centers of civilization in Ancient Egypt were located in and around the delta. That area of Egypt and North Africa along the Mediterranean coast were occupied by humans with more of a Middle Eastern appearance.

Black Africans did indeed have advanced civilizations(at the time). However, I believe there are two reasons why these civilizations are not mentioned in secular western education. The first reason being that these civilizations did not provide much, if any, of a role in the history of the development of western civilization. The second reason being that Europeans were generally unaware of these civilizations due to various Islamic civilizations controlling the Middle East and North Africa for centuries. It was only after the colonization of Africa that evidence of these cultures was discovered, long after most of those civilizations vanished. I don't believe that it is Racism that prevents this history being taught.

For example, there was the Kingdom of Axum south of Egypt. They played a role in trade between the Roman Empire and India. Other civilizations of Africa include the Kingdom of Kush which predated Axum and indeed was conquered by that culture. There was also the Mali Empire and the Ethiopian(Abyssinia) Empire. The city of Timbuktu was an important trade center and a haven for Islamic scholarship. These are a few examples that I remember from my own personal search of History & culture. I realize that I have drifted a bit from the topic of Ancient Egypt but I wanted to point out that these civilizations existed. I explained why I believe they are not prime historical topics in the previous paragraph.

The history is out there. The sad part is it is simple apathy & disinterest that prevents many of our fellow human beings from doing the research.

Again, if you did not overstand the point that if was trying to make earlier. We split because their were different views on dealing with white people. Those of the southern part wanted nothing to do with you. Those of the north started selling out and we see where that got us. You, like most like you want to say that the people in the middle east were the original inhabitants of that land which is not true. I don't know why you are saying this because if you are white you are not apart of those people anyway. You do know that what you are looking at as being tama-re and ethiopia covered a much broader area than today right.

It has been recorded that the times that egypt or tama-re flourished was under black rule. Any time a foriegn people came there it regressed. Egypt was completely black. Not mixed until we started letting you in and started schooling you. Look at all your greek and roman peoples that studied there. ptolemy, pythagorean, plato and the likes. Those of the southern part of the dynasty wanted nothing to do with you. Those in the North tried to civilize you and look where that has gotten us. This was a big issue for the Nation that stretched from the Americas into India. Egypt was shut down and became more like disneyland because we had to protect the secrets. Stop saying black africans like there was some other type of african there at that time. There are three root races, negroid, mongaloid, and caucasoid. Everthing you see now is a mixture of those. You have haplotypes, and blood types that distiguish further. The people you see in the northern part of africa and the middle east are not the original inhabitants. The Cu#e empire stretched all the way into india and was there when herodotus spoke of it. From the shores of montezuma to tripoli, that was the western part of the empire.

Nubia did invade egypt but that was a time when the puntites were taking back land that was originaly theirs. That land and the land above it was inhabited by wooly haired black people. Not white, not biege, not mixed. If you don't know history then don't speak on it. It may seem impossible in your mind that this could be, but just look at India and do some research and you will find that the original inhabitants of that land belong to the negroid familily also. Just like those of the americas. I don't know why white people think they are related to persians, or indians and whatnot. If you came out white then you lost that connection.
Are their any scientist in the house that I can talk to?

reply to post by DeNaga


I take it you dident like the findings of the DNA testing then!

Originally posted by DeNaga

Originally posted by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
Everyone approach this argument with respect, no matter how we look at it, these are our ancestors.
Nature never strikes twice, come on guys I remember this from elementary. Humans can't evolve into Humans, it makes absolutely no sense.
I touched on the subject and I brought massive facts to the table in page 7 and a few pages. First I would like to be the first to state Race as you guys speak of is a theory. Racism is the belief in the particular theory,
like common+unity=community and the belief there in would be communism. The twist you have made in your own mind and the definition others may have placed on may be wrong but lets deal with this like adults.

You guys are overlooking on important fact. ADAPTATION.

Wrongo homie. Race is not a theory. There are many different types of people here especially if you take into account race. People keep saying we are 99% the same we really we are about 4 to 6% different. When you are talking about genetic material, that's a whole lot.
There are different species within each race i.e. blond haired white people don't have the same origins as red haired green eyed people. Just like pygmies are different from tutsies. Now we can deal with what we have in common, but this fact should be known and stated. This is the main reason now everone is on this we are the world crap, but your world is me shining your shoes, and thinking my god is white and talks english and floating around in space or some stupid ish. No thanks.

No living being or creature would stop producing eumelanin in temperate or "normal" climates. Remember, are ancestors left the continent when it was 'safe' and migrated to other places. The Ice Age forced and trapped people into climates where there wasn't an over-abundance of vegetation nor sunlight. These conditions put a halt to the production of Eumelanin. Here goes ADAPTATION.....

Wrong again. Eumelanin is not the same as skin melanin. Everyone produce eumelanin, no matter the race. The adaptation you are talking about deals with the aryan race, and not all white people. Most people became monkeys, and still have the rh factor in their blood to prove it.

From India to Kush you see the same architecture and you see the same spiritual pillars holding these people up.

India was Kush and it is still referred to that to this day in certain parts. This is why that try to trick you by call the land of sheba cush with a C, and india Kush with a K. Don't be fooled. Look at the Dalits and the Dravidians of that land and then look and the modern ethiopians. It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.

More like 0.1% genetic variation.

www.nchpeg.org...
plaza.ufl.edu...

More like 0.1% genetic variation.

www.nchpeg.org...
plaza.ufl.edu...

Oh I must not have done my research. We are brothers...let's hold hands now. I think I said that they will tell you that we are 99% the same. Dude don't you think I already know that. for starters do some research on melanin(carbon), then tell me how we are so much alike

here you go brother

www.youtube.com... LOLZ

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by DeNaga

 

I take it you dident like the findings of the DNA testing then!

What findings? It was some peckerwood saying something about tut and his father and then flashed a picture of another peckerwood who looks nothing like the paintings and statues of the real people. I think he was probably white. What do you think? I doubt you know much about blood typing and we saw what you did with tut on nat geo, so forgive me if I don't believe a word you say.

Instead of us going back and for with this silly banter, how about you drop some science on the science of the high priest...you know the same order it talks about Jesus joining in Hebrews 6:20 Oh and you did know that Jesusor Yashua did spend the 1st 13 years of his life in Egypt? ROTFLMBAO

Originally posted by DeNaga

Originally posted by LUXUS
reply to post by DeNaga

 

I take it you dident like the findings of the DNA testing then!

What findings? It was some peckerwood saying something about tut and his father and then flashed a picture of another peckerwood who looks nothing like the paintings and statues of the real people. I think he was probably white. What do you think? I doubt you know much about blood typing and we saw what you did with tut on nat geo, so forgive me if I don't believe a word you say.

Instead of us going back and for with this silly banter, how about you drop some science on the science of the high priest...you know the same order it talks about Jesus joining in Hebrews 6:20 Oh and you did know that Jesusor Yashua did spend the 1st 13 years of his life in Egypt? ROTFLMBAO

edit on 30-7-2011 by DeNaga because: (no reason given)

edit on 30-7-2011 by DeNaga because: (no reason given)

Sure, here is some Science for you, first watch the two vids so you can see the samples being collected for dna testing, then look at the profile readout on the screen. Next you should read the link to a wightup explaining the results.

BTW that "Dude" is Dr Zahi Hawass, might want to google his name, dont like the guy personally but he is quite well known.

Despite the refusal of the Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities, Zahi Hawass, to release any DNA results which might indicate the racial ancestry of Pharaoh Tutankhamen, the leaked results reveal that King Tut’s DNA is a 99.6 percent match with Western European Y chromosomes.

www.eutimes.net...