Pentagon Deploying 20,000 Troops In U.S.

reply to post by simone50m


CT's seem to have this thing for September - over in the Chemtrail forum something spectacular is supposed to happen on 1 Sept, and I'm sure others all have in mind something for 9/11/11....

I predict a whole bunch of more of the same - taking odds....

What exactly is the big deal?? 20k troops for 300+ million people??? When that number gets closer to 100k then that is when everyone needs to start getting concerned...

reply to post by edgecrusher2199



Like I keep saying - there are currently over 1 MILLION US service personnel in the country.

Anyone who thinks 20,000 of them represent a force to take over is in lala land (IMO of course )

All of you are nuts if you think troops won't fire on your children. totally un-informed on ATS.

History 101. Ohio State. National Guard. Four dead in Ohio. Not protesters shot, but kids with their books on their way to class. They also had Bayonets mounted and marching straight into the protesters. I guess they died in vane and the MSM at the time didn't report it or say it never happened. Bull# four killed by the Fascist Power grabbing Elites.

What about Black Jack Pershing calling in the Army to burn and drag Veterans off the Lawn in DC. Vets died there also. They just wanted what the Government had promised them.

So all who don't know American History should go and Google something constructive so you would know who your dealing with.

We do use the symbol of Mithras on our flag Poles and what are all the Pagan Elements in DC all about anyway?
We are not a Nation of any Loving God. We are a nation based on a God of Blood Sacrifice of our children. And his name in Pagan words is GOD, the real name of the Almighty is given to you all and yet your blind to it and refuse to use it and thus you will have much strife. His name is Yahuah and the Son of Mans name is Yahusha.

Just one reason why this Government could care less for you for you are all just cannon fodder as far as it goes.

The one Saving grace is that the Fascist Tea Partiers and their lesser demons the Corporate devils in three piece suits called Republicans have gone along with the NRA and I'm allowed to own as many guns as I want and open carry with no registration of said guns in NC. But boy oh boy you should see what the Kentuckians have. These Guys are seriously sick in the weapons they got. # they actually equipped better then the National Guard.

So what you gonna do when they come for you? Are you gonna go with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

Remember that most here in the States have guns. most have been ex military. Most are nutters anyway that's how we got to the Financial Horseman of Death.

If protesters for ending the War and for rights promised got hit on do you actually think Obama wouldn't sign onto EXO 12919 if there was a Constitutional Financial Crisis. They in the Fascist party led by the KOCK brothers wish the Seniors dead cause it is a waste of money to help any other then themselves.

Remember again the in-justices we have already gone through and the deaths of US citizens for the right to Vote and to be able to Peaceably assemble.

I had a Draft card which was actually a way of truly saying I had no rights.

reply to post by crazydaisy


if i don't get mah crazy check...i WILL get cuh-RAZY stupid!

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


So what, their adding to what we have already...??
Sorry for the question

Originally posted by tonyinawareness
Maybe you didn't realize what has happened to your government but your country is in a "state of emergency" right now and if the president wanted to he could deploy through FEMA a whole bunch of garbage. The amount of power FEMA has is tremendous has grown exponentially over the last 15 years.

Well actually the PResident couldnt. Secondly FEMA has no authority inside of a state unless requested by the Govenor and approved by the President.

Also, and this is with all due respect, please learn the different levels of Government inside the US. The Federal Government has no authority over the states. The Govenor of the state is in charge, as well as commander in chief of the State military units.

The PResident cannot even Federalize the troops unless there is a state of insruection / rebellion or a refusal to abide by federal law (think civil rights era). This is the main reason Bush never federalized troops during Katrina. It would have been illegal to do so.

Originally posted by tonyinawareness
Your state rights are already striped away in many areas, for example check this video out. ( I have a hard time with embeding if summone could help me out thank you)

(In order to embed a youtube link, copy only the portion of the url that comes after the = - Quote this thread so you can see how I embeded the video as a visual reference

)

Ive seen the video and how the Nation is broken up into different areas. This was result of Katrina, where we had resources in one area that were completely out of place. Its difficult coordinating a reourse scavenger hunt nation wide.

FEMAs authority, contrary to that video, is non existent. At the local level a disaster must be declared. Then the Govenor of the State will declare a disaster. The Govenor then has the choice of going it alone, or asking the PResident to declare a Federal Disaster in order to activate a FEMA response. The President can deny the request, and FEMA can still assist, but only to an extent.

FEMA cannot show up at a disaster and opeate unless requested. They do not run any type of response either. All states have a SEMA (State Emergency management agency) that is the interface between federal assistance and local needs. All FEMA does is takes the shopping the list the state provides (needed resources) and FEMA goes and gets the stuff.

If it came down to a local city officer going head to head with someone from FEMA, the local cop will win - plain and simple.

As far as rights go, citizens are citizens of the state they reside in, as well as being citizens of the United States. If you can do me a favor can you give me a better example of how our rights have been stripped away?

Originally posted by tonyinawareness
Agreed but your really not seeing where the op are others are coming from. I don't think anyone really believes 20,000 troops would be enough. I certainly never posted any remark towards that claim. But I do think if a false flag terror attack was again used 20,000 troops would be enough to say lock down part of a state for martial law, that could grow.

20k troops would be enough to maybe lock down a small portion of a state. However, and as you pointed out with troop amounts, 20k is not enough to declare a state of martial law US wide. Only declaring it for portions with nothing to back up the reason is not going to go unnoticed.

Also, what the OP and a few others fail to realize is the military takes an oath to protect the constitution, not the PResident or joint chiefs. The assumption by some is every single person in government, the military, state governments, local governments, state guard units, reserve units, and local law enforcement are going to just blindly follow orders is a joke.

Hell the formation of local police back in the 1800's was debated because it created something the founding fathers never wanted - a standing military in the cities and county. With the amount of checks placed on law enforcement this concern is shared by the legisltaure and the courts.

Also, a true martial law also ignores the jurisdiction of the courts. The courts are designed to be a check on the executive. In the times weve used military units in the US, civilian courts were very much front and center, and at one point told Lincol he was wrong and over rode him.

I still ahve faith in the American people, from the citizens up to the police government and military, to know the difference between an actual emergency and being complicit in a coup without knowing whats going on.

Under the UCMJ, as well as civilian law, we can ignore an order that is illegal.

reply to post by RevRay


Oh I know troops will fire on U.S. citizens, they've been trained to deal with the psych-ops that deal with reacting towards their own people, all in the name of being a soldier sworn to defend the constitution of the United States, and will be "good soldiers," well, most of them.

Check out the largest, most organized, and probably unknown paramilitary organization sanctioned by the state of Texas, under orders of the governor, if need be. NO THEY ARE NOT THE MILITARY OR RELATED TO THE "NATIONAL GUARD!"

They call themselves the "Texas State Guard." They are not paid, but well organized, and sport military gear, do weekend drills, and recently, added an "Air-Force" to their forces. They do not openly recruit, and unless you're in Texas, at a weekend event where they're requested, you'll probably never see them.

Here's the link to their site.

Did I mention the governor of Texas is Ron Paul? (Yes, the man who (WOOT) wanted Texas to secede from the Union, so he won't be one to ask the U.S.'s largest minuteman group to turn against Texas. The only way they will get at Texas is via biological, as Texas WILL commandeer ALL military bases, all stock piles of weapons, and it is too big a state, with too many armed to the teeth survivor/hunters who are all anti-government.

Texas State Guard: www.txsg.state.tx.us...

Originally posted by RevRay
All of you are nuts if you think troops won't fire on your children. totally un-informed on ATS.

History 101. Ohio State. National Guard. Four dead in Ohio. Not protesters shot, but kids with their books on their way to class.

2 aged 20, 2 aged 19 - no longer "kids"!

2 of the 4 killed were not involved in the protest and were walking between classes (1 each 19 and 20 yrs old) - the other 2 were protesting.

They also had Bayonets mounted and marching straight into the protesters.

no they didn't - they (the Guardsmen, not the "kids" which your "they" seems to refer to) advanced with bayonets fixed, and the protestors retreated in front of them - at no time did the 2 groups make any close contact.

I guess they died in vane and the MSM at the time didn't report it or say it never happened.

Yes they did - there were photos of the dead in all the papers the same day!!

Here's the front page of the NYT - www.nytimes.com...

Bull# four killed by the Fascist Power grabbing Elites.

Who:

1/ promptly failed to actually grab any power
2/ were not the big bad feds but the State authorities

the bull# here seems to be your understanding of history - which is severely distoreted from actual events!!

Sadly this is a common trait for CT's

Originally posted by crazydaisy
I hope 20,000 is sufficient to bring civility to
those who may not get their social security/disability
checks next month.

edit on 24-7-2011 by crazydaisy because: (no reason given)

Yea, how many major cities do we have, divided by 20k.. That isn't squat. Now for one city yes, but it wont be mine, will be one of the big 5. And then, you also have 20,000 families of those 20,000 troops, which if you include brothers/sisters cousins baby mamas will be more like 100-150k. What happens when they cannot be guaranteed safety, what will the 20k do? Me thinks the troops may wake up, id hope.


Deebo

reply to post by mileysubet


I just tweeted a few days ago, "why is a b-1 bomber circling Omaha?" Offutt is the home of STRATCOM (formerly SAC) and has no bomber wing, group, or squadron. I've been living here for years, and have only seen the B-1 Bomber at the airshows on base. I understand AF crafts routinely make stops at bases for whatever reason, but haven't seen a B-1 circle the city for 15 minutes or so at an altitude around 5,000 feet EVER! I even tweeted the base with no response. Offutt has been on alert for about three months, my friend has to be able to get on base and ready within 30 minutes of a phone call. He said it was due to the flooding, but there's no threat of flooding, hasn't been for almost a month.

People were literally coming out of their homes (the bird was very loud, especially at that altitude, plus it's a reeeely pretty bird in my opinion) and looking up into the sky, probably wondering the same thing.

Originally posted by RevRay
All of you are nuts if you think troops won't fire on your children. totally un-informed on ATS.

History 101. Ohio State. National Guard. Four dead in Ohio. Not protesters shot, but kids with their books on their way to class. They also had Bayonets mounted and marching straight into the protesters. I guess they died in vane and the MSM at the time didn't report it or say it never happened. Bull# four killed by the Fascist Power grabbing Elites.

Ohio state was Ohio guard units, not federal military. No breach of posse commitatus occured, albeit the loss of life is regretable.

Originally posted by RevRay
What about Black Jack Pershing calling in the Army to burn and drag Veterans off the Lawn in DC. Vets died there also. They just wanted what the Government had promised them.

So all who don't know American History should go and Google something constructive so you would know who your dealing with.
...and some should take their own advice.

The incident you are referring to is called the Bonus Army. They, about 10k, demanded their immediate payouts for their service. The measure passed the house, failed in the Senate, resulting in the "army" to march on washington. McCarthur, Patton and Esienhower were the military officers present, not Gen. Pershing.

They were not removed from anything except government property. The reason the military was used? Because when local police went to remove them they were met with violence and 2 people ended up being killed.

Which by the way is NOT a violation of Posse Commitatus.

Originally posted by RevRay
We do use the symbol of Mithras on our flag Poles and what are all the Pagan Elements in DC all about anyway?
We are not a Nation of any Loving God. We are a nation based on a God of Blood Sacrifice of our children. And his name in Pagan words is GOD, the real name of the Almighty is given to you all and yet your blind to it and refuse to use it and thus you will have much strife. His name is Yahuah and the Son of Mans name is Yahusha.

Just one reason why this Government could care less for you for you are all just cannon fodder as far as it goes.

Religion has what to do with the topic?

Originally posted by RevRay
The one Saving grace is that the Fascist Tea Partiers and their lesser demons the Corporate devils in three piece suits called Republicans have gone along with the NRA and I'm allowed to own as many guns as I want and open carry with no registration of said guns in NC. But boy oh boy you should see what the Kentuckians have. These Guys are seriously sick in the weapons they got. # they actually equipped better then the National Guard.

The ability to buy a weapon and the manner you can carry it is reserved to the States... So your issue is with NC or Kentucky?

Originally posted by RevRay
So what you gonna do when they come for you? Are you gonna go with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

So your going to shoot on your own countrymen who would be responding to a major disaster with a massive amount of loss of life beause your paranoid enough to think they are there to get you?

Originally posted by RevRay
Remember that most here in the States have guns. most have been ex military. Most are nutters anyway that's how we got to the Financial Horseman of Death.

Which should be the logical point to make that their freinds still in uniform are going to know the difference between a disaster and a coup.

Originally posted by RevRay
If protesters for ending the War and for rights promised got hit on do you actually think Obama wouldn't sign onto EXO 12919 if there was a Constitutional Financial Crisis. They in the Fascist party led by the KOCK brothers wish the Seniors dead cause it is a waste of money to help any other then themselves.

Man you really are bent on fearmongering by using examples that have never happened or ones that come nowhere close to what the topic is about.

Originally posted by RevRay
Remember again the in-justices we have already gone through and the deaths of US citizens for the right to Vote and to be able to Peaceably assemble.

And yet somehow you think youhave the right to kill fellow countrymen because their view of the constitution differens from yours? You dont see the hypocrisy in what you are pissed about compared to what action you think you should take?

Originally posted by RevRay
I had a Draft card which was actually a way of truly saying I had no rights.

riiiiiggghhhtttt....

Keep up the ingorance on history and the fearmongering there....

wow.

reply to post by N34Li3Z



EDITED to correct -

Uhm yeah... B1 Bombers are still active (fleet of 67) and are stationed out of Ellsworth Airforce base in South Dakota.

Just for reference South DAkota is just North of Nebraska.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by RevRay
All of you are nuts if you think troops won't fire on your children. totally un-informed on ATS.

History 101. Ohio State. National Guard. Four dead in Ohio. Not protesters shot, but kids with their books on their way to class. They also had Bayonets mounted and marching straight into the protesters. I guess they died in vane and the MSM at the time didn't report it or say it never happened. Bull# four killed by the Fascist Power grabbing Elites.

Ohio state was Ohio guard units, not federal military. No breach of posse commitatus occured, albeit the loss of life is regretable.

Originally posted by RevRay
What about Black Jack Pershing calling in the Army to burn and drag Veterans off the Lawn in DC. Vets died there also. They just wanted what the Government had promised them.

So all who don't know American History should go and Google something constructive so you would know who your dealing with.

...and some should take their own advice.

The incident you are referring to is called the Bonus Army. They, about 10k, demanded their immediate payouts for their service. The measure passed the house, failed in the Senate, resulting in the "army" to march on washington. McCarthur, Patton and Esienhower were the military officers present, not Gen. Pershing.

They were not removed from anything except government property. The reason the military was used? Because when local police went to remove them they were met with violence and 2 people ended up being killed.

Which by the way is NOT a violation of Posse Commitatus.

Originally posted by RevRay
We do use the symbol of Mithras on our flag Poles and what are all the Pagan Elements in DC all about anyway?
We are not a Nation of any Loving God. We are a nation based on a God of Blood Sacrifice of our children. And his name in Pagan words is GOD, the real name of the Almighty is given to you all and yet your blind to it and refuse to use it and thus you will have much strife. His name is Yahuah and the Son of Mans name is Yahusha.

Just one reason why this Government could care less for you for you are all just cannon fodder as far as it goes.

Religion has what to do with the topic?

Originally posted by RevRay
The one Saving grace is that the Fascist Tea Partiers and their lesser demons the Corporate devils in three piece suits called Republicans have gone along with the NRA and I'm allowed to own as many guns as I want and open carry with no registration of said guns in NC. But boy oh boy you should see what the Kentuckians have. These Guys are seriously sick in the weapons they got. # they actually equipped better then the National Guard.

The ability to buy a weapon and the manner you can carry it is reserved to the States... So your issue is with NC or Kentucky?

Originally posted by RevRay
So what you gonna do when they come for you? Are you gonna go with your hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun?

So your going to shoot on your own countrymen who would be responding to a major disaster with a massive amount of loss of life beause your paranoid enough to think they are there to get you?

Originally posted by RevRay
Remember that most here in the States have guns. most have been ex military. Most are nutters anyway that's how we got to the Financial Horseman of Death.

Which should be the logical point to make that their freinds still in uniform are going to know the difference between a disaster and a coup.

Originally posted by RevRay
If protesters for ending the War and for rights promised got hit on do you actually think Obama wouldn't sign onto EXO 12919 if there was a Constitutional Financial Crisis. They in the Fascist party led by the KOCK brothers wish the Seniors dead cause it is a waste of money to help any other then themselves.

Man you really are bent on fearmongering by using examples that have never happened or ones that come nowhere close to what the topic is about.

Originally posted by RevRay
Remember again the in-justices we have already gone through and the deaths of US citizens for the right to Vote and to be able to Peaceably assemble.

And yet somehow you think youhave the right to kill fellow countrymen because their view of the constitution differens from yours? You dont see the hypocrisy in what you are pissed about compared to what action you think you should take?

Originally posted by RevRay
I had a Draft card which was actually a way of truly saying I had no rights.

riiiiiggghhhtttt....

Keep up the ingorance on history and the fearmongering there....

wow.

Federal or not, what does Posse Commitatus do to make any difference? They are still just as armed and well funded. Same toys and uniforms. Who pays the bill when guard troops go over sea's, the state of that unit still does? No. The national guard can be an excuse/loophole to override posse commitatus. And more often than not lately, its the federal gov that activates guard units for overseas duties, not the governor of the states ng.


Deebo

Here comes a false flag operation. Fake alien invasion anyone?

Originally posted by Deebo
Federal or not, what does Posse Commitatus do to make any difference? They are still just as armed and well funded. Same toys and uniforms. Who pays the bill when guard troops go over sea's, the state of that unit still does?

Man your all over the place with this. It makes a huge difference. If Federal troops were to enter a state outside of its mandate it could be construed as an invasion by the Federal government. This would be why states have guard units. We are 50 individual nations wrapped up under a federal government.

As far as this topic goes, the fearmongering revolves around the assumption that 20k troops will be on city streets tomrrow, which is not true. The assumption is this is a first step for the government to declare martial law, which is not true.

Based on your argument, If I am working as a city police officer, and am requested by County to take a call outside of my city, you would consider me an occupying force acting outside of my authority, which simply is not true.

This is the same case with the 20k troops. If they are deployed its because of a massive incident resulting in a massive amount of life.

Originally posted by RevRay
No. The national guard can be an excuse/loophole to override posse commitatus.

State guard units are not subject to Posses Commitatus. I dont know how else to get this through peoples heads. State Guard units answer to their commander in chief, which would be the Govenor. Each state has an adjutant general who oversees the state military units. They are also used as a liason between state and federal commands for training, deployment etc.

Because state guard units answer to the Govenor, they are not subject to Posses Commitatus.

Please, quit fear mongering.

Originally posted by jaycen420

Pentagon Deploying 20,000 Troops In U.S.

theintelhub.com

facebook at it again. I am so sick of this censorship. Try posting that intelhub link on facebook. Blocked...

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Deebo
Federal or not, what does Posse Commitatus do to make any difference? They are still just as armed and well funded. Same toys and uniforms. Who pays the bill when guard troops go over sea's, the state of that unit still does?

Man your all over the place with this. It makes a huge difference. If Federal troops were to enter a state outside of its mandate it could be construed as an invasion by the Federal government. This would be why states have guard units. We are 50 individual nations wrapped up under a federal government.

As far as this topic goes, the fearmongering revolves around the assumption that 20k troops will be on city streets tomrrow, which is not true. The assumption is this is a first step for the government to declare martial law, which is not true.

Based on your argument, If I am working as a city police officer, and am requested by County to take a call outside of my city, you would consider me an occupying force acting outside of my authority, which simply is not true.

This is the same case with the 20k troops. If they are deployed its because of a massive incident resulting in a massive amount of life.

Originally posted by RevRay
No. The national guard can be an excuse/loophole to override posse commitatus.

State guard units are not subject to Posses Commitatus. I dont know how else to get this through peoples heads. State Guard units answer to their commander in chief, which would be the Govenor. Each state has an adjutant general who oversees the state military units. They are also used as a liason between state and federal commands for training, deployment etc.

Because state guard units answer to the Govenor, they are not subject to Posses Commitatus.

Please, quit fear mongering.

I am not fear mongering at all, I am just saying, if the federal gov wants troops on the ground, they can and have used NG troops. Sure its "up to" the governor, but name one governor or AG that has denied the feds their ng troops? GWB activated my guard unit.. The federal gov has an easy out, since it's called the "national" guard. They still have control over it if and when they want.


Deebo

OP, how current is this RT report? It seems to me that this issue of 20,000 troops within the U.S. is only being brought up now because they were supposed to be trained BY 2011. You and another member have started these threads, but there is zero new credible information to support the claim that these troops are going anywhere or doing anything.

The RT report says this is a "bombshell" for the U.S. It is NOT a bombshell. We've known about it since 2008. Is there anything new at all about this, or are we now just seeing these reports because of the year 2011 being mentioned in 2008? If the latter is the case, then why are we going over this again?

reply to post by Xcathdra

As far as this topic goes, the fearmongering revolves around the assumption that 20k troops will be on city streets tomrrow, which is not true. The assumption is this is a first step for the government to declare martial law, which is not true.

Exactly........