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How would that keep us from buying and selling?
Originally posted by autowrench
Sigh. I think it is time to dispel all of these false notions of 666, the Anti-Christ, Devil and so on. My, my have religious people been brainwashed! We are Carbon Based Human Beings. The Carbon Atom is composed of:
6 Protons
6 Neutrons
6 Electrons
There is your "666," friend.
Originally posted by theRhenn
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist
Im sorry, I do not and could never agree with you on any of these points. The bible is the word of God as Jesus himself said that it is infalible. Man took no part in creating the Bible, IMO, he was just the tool to put it down on paper. If there errors in the bible, IF, then there could not be such an error to stear mankind wrong.
Just because the bible uses "Man" as a refrence, does not mean that woman is excused. wo"man"... Woman was deemed less than man in the first books of the bible. Why would it contradict itself?
You voice confusion and twist scriptures to come up with wild ideas. I'm sorry miss, but confusion does not have a place in such order. Chaos breeds confusion. Order breeds perfection. God is not evil, he is jealous. Satan is mentioned as HE and never a She in the bible. The many points you try to make simply breeds confusion. God would never be the trickster you would make him out to be. He would not give us something to confuse us. Even if satan himself created the bible, I seriously doubt that beings it's really the only refrence that mankind has to learn from, he would alow us to fall into such. There would always be a light for us to see, and as of now, the Bible seems to be the only one on an earthly existance at the moment. If the bible was what you say, then why would you use it, twist it, to make your points? Why would you take from it, explain from it, then say it's a tool to decieve?
I really honestly think you are on a very wrong path, my friend.
Originally posted by 1MrsJesusChrist
You dont fully Understand the Bible.
How do you know that the Bible is an accurate representation of the word of a god? How do you know it is the word of a god at all, and how do you know that it is even remotely close to what the original writings said as there are none to go by?
Originally posted by theRhenn
When you take from Gods word or add to it to make it your own, then you're doing something very wrong against him, thus you stand to fall under his judgement.
Originally posted by Hydroman
How do you know that the Bible is an accurate representation of the word of a god? How do you know it is the word of a god at all, and how do you know that it is even remotely close to what the original writings said as there are none to go by?
Originally posted by theRhenn
When you take from Gods word or add to it to make it your own, then you're doing something very wrong against him, thus you stand to fall under his judgement.
It's not like the sumerian tablets that we have which are dated to be from the same time they were created. Would that mean that the sumerian tablets and what they say are true since they are more than likely originals?edit on 26-7-2011 by Hydroman because: (no reason given)
Muslims feel the Koran is correct.
Originally posted by theRhenn
Because I feel it is.
Same thing can be said about any of the gods who have stories written about them and their exploits. The Hindu gods for example.
Originally posted by theRhenn
If God exists, and I've already explained this... Why would he have something before us, our only source of truth and knowledge of him, to stray us?
Originally posted by theRhenn
If you know your bible and the history it gives, the sumerians were not here first. They came after and they worshiped false Gods. To me, the bible is an ABSOLUTE record of everything the Hebrew/Jewish people went through since the beginning of time. That record book tells every step since the beginning, and it tells the history of everything of those people. It is writen as though it was before the sumerians and it also speaks of them in a fashion in that they came after. There is an order to it. The sumerians only spoke of the jews as slaves and people conquered. So does the bible. But all history branches from the bible, not from the sumerian text. I believe the bible came before those texts. It just didnt get put together in the fashion we have today, in that time. Adam and Eve spawned all the nations more less, including the sumerians. This is why I dont believe the sumerian texts are something to go by since knowledge that came before them labled them as followers of false gods. Not to mention, of all the nations that ever existed... The Jews are still here as a people, even though others dont believe they are the real people from the beginning.
I could speak for days on how this branches from the beginning, but I'm afraid I do not have the time today. Perhaps tomorrow
Originally posted by Hydroman
reply to post by theRhenn
I wonder why the biblical god has a gender. We know that Jesus calls this god "Father" and it says "He" but how do they come to this conclusion? Does this god have a penis? If so, why? If not, why is it a "he" or a "father"?
Or, is it meant as a metaphor and this god, if it exists, is not really a male being, but some kind of asexual being?
I don't have to ask my father that, I know he is a man, I have seen his penis and sack o' nuts.
Originally posted by theRhenn
You would be better off asking him when you get there.
If he's the "Father" then he's simply that. We're made in his image.. so perhaps so. I wouldnt see why not. But then, I have no idea. I've never seen him face to face, and if I had, that's probably not on my list of things to ask him. It would be a little creepy asking your own father such things.. why would you ask that? You ok, hydro?
as it is writun, The firste man Adam was maad in to a soule lyuynge, the laste Adam in to a spirit quykenynge.But the firste is not that that is spiritual, but that that is beestlich, aftirward that that is spiritual.
The firste man of erthe is ertheli; the secounde man of heuene is heuenelich. Such as the ertheli man is, such ben the ertheli men; and such as the heueneli man is, suche ben also the heueneli men.Therfor as we han bore the ymage of the ertheli man, bere we also the ymage of the heuenli. 1Corinthis15
en.wikisource.org...(Wycliffe)
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
2Corinthians5
I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
11
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians3
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb,
The leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
The calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah11
And looking at Jesus as He walked, he said, “Behold the Lamb of God!”
John1
the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
1Peter1
For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’ Says the LORD of hosts, ‘ And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Zecheriah3
And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation4
The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
17
be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
23
He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
10
And there was also a strife among them, which of them should be accounted the greatest. And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Luke22
www.biblegateway.com...
Originally posted by theRhenn
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist
Sorry, once more..
You said this:
So I believe that GOD our Father And Mother....
I wish to touch on this a little. You refer to God being both mother and father. You gather all of this from the bible. But, my issue with this is... The bible came from the Hebrew. That's where it began. It continued with the new testament, the words of Christ. The old testament, much of which is part of the Tora, is for Israel, the Jews. Those same people believed that there was a totaly seperate being that was God's wife, but spoken only in old Jewish texts. I'm not sure if there is any refrence to it in the bible itself. But the name was Asherah according to one theologist. You can read about it Here. This is one researcher's belief that it was taken out of the bible on purpose. If you wish, you can find more examples of this name and possition on wiki or through google. Since it's almost time for me to head home from work, I will not be able to offer more than that.
Point being.. God would not be husband and wife if he had a wife. Though, I really cant say that I believe there is a "wife" one way or the other. I simply dont know and do not have the correct resources to make a call on that one, but for the sake of where you're going, I thought I would throw that out there. This comming from documents far older than any of us as well as the bible in it's current form.
Originally posted by Hydroman
How would that keep us from buying and selling?
Originally posted by autowrench
Sigh. I think it is time to dispel all of these false notions of 666, the Anti-Christ, Devil and so on. My, my have religious people been brainwashed! We are Carbon Based Human Beings. The Carbon Atom is composed of:
6 Protons
6 Neutrons
6 Electrons
There is your "666," friend.
If you know your bible and the history it gives, the sumerians were not here first. They came after and they worshiped false Gods.
Originally posted by Hydroman
I don't have to ask my father that, I know he is a man, I have seen his penis and sack o' nuts.
Originally posted by theRhenn
You would be better off asking him when you get there.
If he's the "Father" then he's simply that. We're made in his image.. so perhaps so. I wouldnt see why not. But then, I have no idea. I've never seen him face to face, and if I had, that's probably not on my list of things to ask him. It would be a little creepy asking your own father such things.. why would you ask that? You ok, hydro?
Why would a god need such things? Does he need to urinate? Does he need to reproduce? What if in all actuality this god looks like a giant slimy genderless slug? How would you react to that, that all this time you pictured this being as a man, but when you meet it, it is something you never imagined?
Yes the bible was derived from the Hebrew and they didnt uses vowels, and sometimes the priest had to have a rope tided around him, so when he went into places only he could they could pull him out in case he was overcome by the spirit. I say you dont understand the bible because I know; you were not chosen to show it; because if you were chosen you would be posting the things I do. Also if you knew your bible you wouldnt be expecting miracles since Jesus himself said; This is an evil generation, you seek a miracle; but none will be gibven except for the sign of Jona and the Queen of the South to rise up in the Last Day of Judgment.