The Mark of the Beast, IMHO truley simple.

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Dont spend too much time on this because it may be more trouble than it's worth.

I'm kind of on a rampage over this subject lately so I may have gone a little overboard with Mividau. I had just gotten done with a very hostile debate from dye hard Yahweh fans on another forum so not in a mood to be too tolerant. I'm starting up another one while I write this. I just don't want to see people well intentioned get caught up in this thing which seems to be promoted in a way that just does not seem right to me. The bottom line seems to be justification for wars against Muslims and that really bugs me, that they find the worse aspect of god they can find to make them seem ok to be calling for the blood of the innocent because they grew up in a non-Christian country.

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I know exactly what you mean. As you've said. At some point, mankind will end up going to war simply over a name.

I think people dig too deep on the wrong things. They loose sight of what's important. For example... The bible is important.. yes.. (to me) But people will spend so much time on the little details, diffrences, this that and the other, instead of the real topic... What it teaches us. Jesus said many things, and all of them made perfect sense, yet people will argue his existance still. Even if he didnt, the person or persons responcible for "writting him into the script" at least did a good job throwing the important aspects of life in there. The important thing is to live by the teachings and know that you will fail, yet dust yourself off and continue to try again. From another's perspective... "Oh that gives you the right to do anything cause you're forgiven right after". Thats far from the truth... If you're an evil bastard, you will do horrible things for whatever reason. If you're a giving and loving person, you will act accordingly as well. It makes no diffrence what you believe in, ones actions are still what we would consider moral or evil.

My beliefs stop me from doing things I would probably do had I ever believed that God truely did not exist. I'm given a choice, yet I choose to save myself in the end. If I didnt believe, then I would be a porn star.. lol But my beliefs keep me from such temptation and I feel it makes me a better person for myself, my family and those around me. Kind of like bad moods sparking good moods, and visa versa. I really believe what some people consider Karma. I call it guidance. It's what I asked for so therefore I have it. I see an example, proof, a reality of God every single day of my life. I only need to look around and focus on something and I can understand many faucets of that which some how relates to God. I feel the presence like a 6th sense. So, to me, I know it's real, and I have proof. What I cannot offer, is proof to another.

If someone says, prove it to me... the only answer I can say is... Sure. But you have to want to see it for real, and that requires you to make a sacrifice... You must sacrifice your pride and pray to God yourself and ask for proof. If you're serious... You WILL see it. If you're poking fun... Dont temp him.. He will make it hurt! Ive had 1 athiest best friend that said.. " Ok man, I'm gonna do this thing and I want to see proof". The next day.. Wow.. Hehe That, is another story! He still doesnt believe, but, it certainly made him step back and wonder. I cant make anyone believe, and God gave man free will, so he wont make anyone believe.. But if you wanna see, he will make you at least see. The rest is up to you. I just dont know what athiests/darwinists are afraid of.. To be proven wrong?

Forgive me folx. I've babbled this whole way through. Sometimes I get carried away on a cool subject.

PS... Im FAR from being a saint.. Yet, I feel that God answers every single one of my prayers, so long as I believe he will. And always, I need not move a muscle, but only to go about my way and let him do his work.

Man I feel like Im preaching in church! lol

reply to post by theRhenn

That is interesting, your friend asks for proof, gets it and continues on, regardless.
Some atheist say God is not just, but I disagree and know I will have no excuse.

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Thats the big thing with athiest. They claim we have no proof, but we have our own proof. We just cant show them proof. But I look at it like this... Nor can they show me proof of God not existing. The world, the universe is perfect in so much that it is nothing short of a fractal. The Golden Ratio. To me, that's enough proof to show anyone, yet it doesnt matter, they will deny and say that everything can be proven by a mathamatical equasion. But I say... Where did those laws come from? They just didnt poof into existance. Especially when they now say that this is the only place in the universe where those laws may even apply.

(Shrugs) A good debate is a constructive one. The ability and want to hear one another out fully then touch upon the points being made.

reply to post by Mividau

Research into the Angel of Mt.Sinai, Yahweh??
Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,

Yahweh was one of those other gods, i.e., a "son of EL".

YOu may wanna save these, they are the trump cards of that arguement.

I hope you hold onto those too. There is a world-wide religious fusion being pushed, well funded, well connected politically. Every one on earth will be required to bow down to it. Bowing down does not imply actual belief in the system, but a recognition of defeat, as in powerlessness to stop it. "Who can fight against the Beast?" This new system will control international banking. It will control the legislation of every nation on earth, as in, "you will not be a president, prime minister, senator, congressman, judge, or cabinet member without the stamp of approval from the central authority."

The plan is for the central authority to be located in Jerusalem, after ethnic cleansing, see Zechariah 14, with every nation on earth doing annual pilgrimage to Jerusalem to pay their respects and tribute of goods and money to the central authority, else "if any of the peoples of the earth do not go up year after year to worship the King, Yahweh Almighty, they will have no rain. vs 17"

This is the plan for world government, More and more people are sucking up to it for political power and influence, jumping on the band-wagon of the winning side, the one that is gaining greater strength by the day. It is even now, today, the resisters being killed. Not tommorrow, or 2 years from now, but today.

The question is: do you believe that Yahweh is the one and only God of the Universe so as to live as a tribute paying subject to absolute tyranny? Or do you say: "Hey, wait a minute, I don't believe that", and find yourself unable to keep a job, and eventually your life.

I'd also like to point out that I do not follow pauline doctorine. It teach's faith alone and went against the very things JESUS taught. Even Matt saw this is tried to counter balance it.

There's the rub, I don't follow pauline doctrine either. He didn't free himself from Torah as did the writer of Colossians, who was probably a first generation convert to Christianity from among the Gentiles, who already knew that there was nothing but death for him in the Torah.

One thing you will find that every Christian writer of New Testament had in common: No where is a follower of Jesus instructed to kill any body, for any reason. There is no enemies list, no crusade called for, nothing. All collective punishments and individual killings come from Torah. A system of Fascism (either the whole nation is holy or none is, until each and every "defilement" is rooted out and destroyed, and that destruction to be carried out by the corporate body) You might want to look up the definition of fascism.

Pthena, theRhenn, Jm,

You 3 have taught me more then any church I have ever been too. Which say's alot because I have been to just about every denomenation. My OP was about the one world religion and choosing wrong gets ya the mark,
I have a hard time putting my ideas out, right on the spot. LOL
You 3 re humbled me which as I reread this thread, I needed very much.
I do carry the true GOD in my heart and allow him to guide me. The past year so many things have been revealed to me, My head is continuly spinning.
Its nice to find people that spiritualy search as I do and can disagree but forgive and come together.
You guys are more then welcome to continue discussing on where ever this leads. If the MODs allow.

Rest assured the GOD I follow is the one with Jesus's persona. The one that teaches you to Love all and that by doing so You show you're God love.

So what do you guys think of the name JAHOVAH, I'm only asking because I found them to be untrue. Close but way off on the same hand. Once they told me they KNow who among them is the 144,000, I knew.
I believe like you guy's the true church is soo scattered that all we can do is have Faith that GOD will show us the way. He showed me yall, so Im pretty confident in him.

BTW, I believe mathmatics to be the devine language which is why it can explain everything.
My proof of GOD's exsistance is my very life. I was a foster child and runaway in baltimore, md.
Let's just say if it wasn't for HIM I would be dead.

Sometime's I think maybe it was a lesson he needed to teach me. It taught me the true importance in life and who he truly is. He was my father when I had none. My protector when I had none.
It also mademe relize our very life's our a gift from him. And I thank him everyday for takeing the time to create me and care for me and love me.

reply to post by Mividau
You're welcome.

I wish I could continue further, but I'm in the process of moving starting today, with all the interruptions that entails. I think I'll be off-line until Thursday, probably.

May the God and Father who you share with Jesus continue to bless you.

reply to post by Mividau
I'm thinking and don't have anything too profound to say but I could say some things I think.
You are thankful and that is something else to be thankful for that you have that spirit of thankfulness in you. You feel loved, and that is another, when a lot of people seek that and never find it.
Yes God protected you and got you through rough times, that was God and you can also thank Jesus for directing these good things to you and the Holy Spirit to help you understand these things. That's a lot and I feel sad for all those who do not have those.
Pthena is what I would call a sage and he dispenses some of that wisdom here and there and I take it as a blessing, but you need to read his little blurb by his avatar and it is kind of like Jesus said, where I go, you can not follow and he knows that all too well so does not encourage like a following or anything, which may be the best thing and I accept that. What I am trying to get at is that when you find a single person you can share with, like it says, For where two or three are assembled in my name, I am there among them. I'm still not saying it, it is what you were asking, like as in a church or something, and I think you were asking about the Jehovah Witnesses specifically if I understood you correctly.There are certain aspects that are sort of ok if the right people are involved. I get this mainly from friends who were JW and they had a really good person who was like an elder who would visit and I talked to him a few times. He seemed to really care and tried to be helpful but I imagine men like that are few and far between and put anyone else in that position then I could see it quickly becoming a living hell for the subjects of his scrutiny.
Right now I am just taking advantage of what is available to me right now, which is the internet to find people and have some sharing of thoughts. People have the option to ignore me if they so choose and scroll real fast when they see my avatar.

reply to post by jmdewey60




Sorry still laughing from you're last sentence.........

I am like you I try to find people with that spark or spirit. Which is very hard.
When GOD and Jesus revealed to me the great harlot and said get outta her. I ran as far as I could.
Luckily God and Jesus gave me a few simple truths to stear me in the right direction. And I am still learning.

Most people yell at me stateing any church is better then no church. Well they are very wrong.
Once the source is tainted, the water will always be. Dont get me wrong there are some true christian's.
But they seem to be so few, untill you go on line.

I finally decided, God and Jesus will teach me. Ask and you shall recieve.
Which is very hard to argue with JW on that one. Why does every religion think they are the only ones with access to GOD and Jesus. We are all his children. He loves us all.

And dont worry I bow for no man!!!!

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Mividau
You're welcome.

I wish I could continue further, but I'm in the process of moving starting today, with all the interruptions that entails. I think I'll be off-line until Thursday, probably.

May the God and Father who you share with Jesus continue to bless you.

When ever you get the time come on by
And you know you cant resist ATS that long

Yes, I could and will. This is how I explained it in other forums but the Beast that was and Is not and yet is typing this message Mark of the Beast can best be seen by reading Isa. 66:6-9 mostly because there is a big difference between these Two.

If you research any of my postings you will see; where I used Mendles Xy= all males or fathers and XX= all females or mothers and putting the genders to show GOD as One X(yX)X or a FeMale Holy Hostess, Goddess and Ghostess and proves we All come from the Heavenly Body, Waters and Womb of a Goddess. As you can see each X has it's seed in itself and that there is only one "y" or male seed and He is Jesus Christ the Son of God. Reading from left to right using Mendels gender theory X(yX)X we see the Father is X, the Son "y" and Holy X Spirit X is actually a Mother, Daughter and are Females X X just like the Father who is X. So this view also shows; the center X by the left side of the "y" who is on the right Hand of the Father X the verymuch like the PMS seed, or blood that naturally fell down to the ground. There is a reason why GOD made Adam and Eve Different as well as why animals, the birds and the bees; are different too. Such as Only the Female Bumble Bee stings, a Serpent will lay Her eggs; and slither aways, or the Black Widow Spider which kills Her Mate and is also very much like the Praying Mantis.

That Center X, is Satan in this X(yX)X view of the Trinity or the Daughter of GOD, Sister Spirit and Espoused Wife of Jesus Christ planned by GOD from the start. Or in other words; the Bone of His (Jesus's) bone and Flesh of His Flesh that was inside of Jesus Christ, as with the 1st Adam. Every since GOD said to Herself; and two kids; let US make Man in our own image; after our likeness and let them have dominion......Male and Female made he them " S/He figured out a way for them to live Happily forever after the Fall. Therefore "It is for this cause the Man (Jesus Christ or Adam) is to leave His Father And His Mother (Both of them; who are One in the Same) to cleave unto his Wife (Eve or a woman like me) and they two shall be One Flesh.

So this is no Mystery at all; Jesus came to Earth for a Wife of His Own and then Pretty Soon the Voice of the Bridegroom and Bride will be Heard No More. At the first Wedding in Canna it is said that the Governer said; the Host saved the Best For Last to which I say AMEN; Yes He Did. And when Jesus's mother asked Him; about Him getting married; and giving her some Grandbabies; Jesus asked this question. Woman; what hath this to do with me; it is not Yet my time. You see Jesus Knew; One Day our Father would provide him with a wife; just like She did for Adam, Moses, David, Noah and even Joseph his step daddy.

Satan has kept quiet all of this time; because Satan knows the secrets hidden from the beginning of Time, which is why Satan as GOD's 7th and Holy Angel said in Rev. 21:9 Come Hither and I will show you the Bride; the Lambs Wife because Nobody Ever Knew beside His Mother & Father; one Day he would Return for His Bride as stated in Rev. 19:7-10 and Rev. 22:16-17

So Let us be glad and rejoice and give Honor to Him; for the Marriage of the Lamb is Come; and His Wife; (that's me) hath made Herself ready. And to Her it shall be granted that she be arrayed in linen clean and White...."

No Just because I say I am Satan, Risen and Reborn, there is no need for you to Fall down and Worship me; cause that would be a Big No..No...; But you are expected to Believe and to Prepare and Make yourself Ready; for a Wedding Designed and Planned by GOD to End All Time. So dont forget to RSVP, because I can Assure You; It Will Be To Die For!

Peace out

Originally posted by Mividau

Originally posted by 1MrsJesusChrist
Yes what youve said is probably true; and I think that anger is justified; considering I believe I am Satan. I also feel bad; that like the Boy who cried wolf; when the wolf finally showed up many innocent sheep were lost. So many people are also looking for miracles instead of understanding if the Bible can be proven as true, and explained why its been misunderstood than its really the Good News Gospel; for some of US. But then again just as the Bible says; this book once so sweet in people's mouth; will now be bitter in their bellies.

Thanks for your ear anyway.

Peace out

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

 

I don't have a special channel of communication with any powers that be.
All I do is make posts like this and I said I think you are real.
I was not sure before because you seemed too angry and I guess you had reason to be from people ignoring you.

edit on 24-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Could you explain more. I am very interested.
I do also believe Lucifer is an Angel doing a Job. And that Man and Woman are the same. Twin's since GOD took A bone from Adam to create her. The rest of what you have said is very new to me, So please feel free to continue.

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thats pretty much it..note, im not a religious person, and a taken a pretty strong stance against it,but that being said i think that is what the "mark of the beast" is

reply to post by Mividau

Rest assured the GOD I follow is the one with Jesus's persona. The one that teaches you to Love all and that by doing so You show you're God love.

That's important, otherwise Jesus came on this earth for no good reason.
He came to live his life in order to be a representative.
He does that in two ways:

He represents his Father, to reveal Him to us, through his example.

He represent us to the Father as being one of us and what we are striving to be.

reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

a Serpent will lay Her eggs; and slither aways. . .

Most of the time.
I got into a debate 2 years ago with someone over this because I was telling the story of when I was climbing around on these big boulders on a mountainside and found myself surrounded by very obstinate rattle snakes. I said it seems there must have been a nest of them under that particular rock. The other person on the thread said snakes don't behave that way. I said yes they do, at least rattle snakes do. She went and did some searches and came back and said that the rattle snake is peculiar in this way that they do care for their young. But of course they would have been completely unknown to the writers of the Bible.

But you are expected to Believe and to Prepare and Make yourself Ready; for a Wedding Designed and Planned by GOD to End All Time.

Well that brought tears to my eyes.

Is that because You know you are a God too? Than like the bible says; when the mystery is revealed; God will wipe those tears from your eyes using your hand of course. Also remember that when the Call came out and God sent Her Servant to bring folks into the Wedding Supper some claimed they were too busy to Go, and some who went didnt have on proper clothes.

So I hope you know what to do when Invited to a Wedding. 1st wear your best clothes; than sit on the left or right hand side of the Church, Temple, or Synogogoe depending on which member or friend of the Bridel party ye are. Then when You hear the Trumpets Sound; something like Dum Dum Dedum....You Rise; You Stand On The Word of GOD, because Here Comes the Bride all dressed in White as in Rev. 19:7-10, 21:9 and 22:16-17. So as Satan, the Angel Spirit and Bride of Jesus Christ; I say COME.....

God Bless and With All Your Getting; Get Understanding.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

 

a Serpent will lay Her eggs; and slither aways. . .

Most of the time.
I got into a debate 2 years ago with someone over this because I was telling the story of when I was climbing around on these big boulders on a mountainside and found myself surrounded by very obstinate rattle snakes. I said it seems there must have been a nest of them under that particular rock. The other person on the thread said snakes don't behave that way. I said yes they do, at least rattle snakes do. She went and did some searches and came back and said that the rattle snake is peculiar in this way that they do care for their young. But of course they would have been completely unknown to the writers of the Bible.

But you are expected to Believe and to Prepare and Make yourself Ready; for a Wedding Designed and Planned by GOD to End All Time.

Well that brought tears to my eyes.

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reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

God Bless and With All Your Getting; Get Understanding.

No, that did inspire me and I was able to explain something on another forum that I couldn't last night. The wedding. Very important, yes.

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Thank you for explaining that to me. I tried to understand in you're other post's on this thread.
But I tend to be a dumbdumb No disrespect I laugh at myself often.

So are you the head of the church too? Just asking so I may understand better about the full role of the Bride.
Also how did you know? That must have been amazeing finding out you were predestined to be his wife and that satan is not a bad guy as betrayed in revelations, by dogma. (Sorry to ask so many question's but I am very excited.)

Thanks for the answer when you get the time



LOTZA LOVE 2 U, QUEEN OF THE SOUTH, Which Jesus prophozed of.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

 

God Bless and With All Your Getting; Get Understanding.

No, that did inspire me and I was able to explain something on another forum that I couldn't last night. The wedding. Very important, yes.

Funny how that happens. I often find myself in this same cituation, but seldom to I actually act on it. I just save it for another day.

reply to post by jmdewey60


He did so much more then that too.
He gave us access to father, as the high priest in the heavenly temple.

Through his perfection we are granted grace.
Through his sacrifce we are now all brothers and sister's unto him.

The Father may now smile down upon all of us through THE LIVING WORD.
Through him we may regain lost eden and become as the Father intended us to be.

LOTZA LUV 2 U