The Mark of the Beast, IMHO truley simple.

reply to post by pthena

Cool I just don't want to be a plagiarist and not give credit.
Anyway, it seems she had a very serous vision experience and is desperate to have anyone pay attention to her.
I know the feeling with my 911 experience which seems to go nowhere in that most people are not really interested in actual truth but just looking for verification of what they already have accepted as being truth.

reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist
I don't have a special channel of communication with any powers that be.
All I do is make posts like this and I said I think you are real.
I was not sure before because you seemed too angry and I guess you had reason to be from people ignoring you.

Yes what youve said is probably true; and I think that anger is justified; considering I believe I am Satan. I also feel bad; that like the Boy who cried wolf; when the wolf finally showed up many innocent sheep were lost. So many people are also looking for miracles instead of understanding if the Bible can be proven as true, and explained why its been misunderstood than its really the Good News Gospel; for some of US. But then again just as the Bible says; this book once so sweet in people's mouth; will now be bitter in their bellies.

Thanks for your ear anyway.

Peace out

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

 

I don't have a special channel of communication with any powers that be.
All I do is make posts like this and I said I think you are real.
I was not sure before because you seemed too angry and I guess you had reason to be from people ignoring you.

edit on 24-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Mividau


The little devil, 666, omen, mark of the beast is going to come in 1 of 2 versions..if not in both forms.

Version 1)..somthing small..like a cell phone, maybe a chip, or possibly in the form of vaccine?!..swine flu was really out of no where, and what I mean by that is..its not naturaly occuring..and im sure , wait positive that it was created in a lab. This wonderfull little vaccine was for the most part was forced on people. Kids in schools were not allowed to come back to school if the got sick until the got the swine flu shot, my family doctor oushed the idea of getting it on me for a good 30 min. This shot weakend peoples immune systems..and guarante with my lif that the next flu that comes out..who ever got the swine flu shot will be very very sick from the new flu..if not killed.

version 2) a person, in power, control of armies..very large ones, is supposed to be a great man, the peoples saviours etc..im talking about the president of the USA...i think this because thus guy..and his leaders, or the elite. have all the power in the world. The have banks, army, presidents etc all in the palm of thier hands. It gets better, cuz we the people are told to love this person in charge, and it goes without saying that people in charge that are evil we very voliently and forcfully take control of everyone that follows everything he does wih=thout question..
anyone else agree

Originally posted by 1MrsJesusChrist
Yes what youve said is probably true; and I think that anger is justified; considering I believe I am Satan. I also feel bad; that like the Boy who cried wolf; when the wolf finally showed up many innocent sheep were lost. So many people are also looking for miracles instead of understanding if the Bible can be proven as true, and explained why its been misunderstood than its really the Good News Gospel; for some of US. But then again just as the Bible says; this book once so sweet in people's mouth; will now be bitter in their bellies.

Thanks for your ear anyway.

Peace out

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by 1MrsJesusChrist

 

I don't have a special channel of communication with any powers that be.
All I do is make posts like this and I said I think you are real.
I was not sure before because you seemed too angry and I guess you had reason to be from people ignoring you.

edit on 24-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Could you explain more. I am very interested.
I do also believe Lucifer is an Angel doing a Job. And that Man and Woman are the same. Twin's since GOD took A bone from Adam to create her. The rest of what you have said is very new to me, So please feel free to continue.

Originally posted by 15FORreal
reply to post by Mividau

 

The little devil, 666, omen, mark of the beast is going to come in 1 of 2 versions..if not in both forms.

Version 1)..somthing small..like a cell phone, maybe a chip, or possibly in the form of vaccine?!..swine flu was really out of no where, and what I mean by that is..its not naturaly occuring..and im sure , wait positive that it was created in a lab. This wonderfull little vaccine was for the most part was forced on people. Kids in schools were not allowed to come back to school if the got sick until the got the swine flu shot, my family doctor oushed the idea of getting it on me for a good 30 min. This shot weakend peoples immune systems..and guarante with my lif that the next flu that comes out..who ever got the swine flu shot will be very very sick from the new flu..if not killed.

>>>>I kinda agree with that because durning swine flu, I almost got my kids took away because I didnt give them the shot. Not because I thought it was the mark but the shot was still very expermential and I refussed to have my children be ginny pigs for the Goverment.

But like what other's brought up, will it hinder the buying and selling.

Plus I don't believe GOD will let those people unknowingly take it. It will be a clear cut choice.





version 2) a person, in power, control of armies..very large ones, is supposed to be a great man, the peoples saviours etc..im talking about the president of the USA...i think this because thus guy..and his leaders, or the elite. have all the power in the world. The have banks, army, presidents etc all in the palm of thier hands. It gets better, cuz we the people are told to love this person in charge, and it goes without saying that people in charge that are evil we very voliently and forcfully take control of everyone that follows everything he does wih=thout question..
anyone else agree


>>>>Not sure about who the one will be. So therefore you could be right.
What other theories do you got???

Originally posted by theRhenn
ok, this is where I have to throw my two cents in.

It's funny how people toss around the word hipocrite when they counter their own words with their own actions. Sorry to say, pretty much everyone who accuses another of this deed is one and the same. To be honest, I dont know of anyone on this earth who isnt, myself included.


>>>>You are right, I began to act like a complete butt. When I shoulda walked away to keep my composuer I didn't. Thanks for setting me straight.



If a constructive argument is given, why all the beef? It's simply a diffrent side and view. So far, I dont really see anyone "calling you out" so to speak, which is VERY odd, btw. >>>>LOL, thats all I can say.


I stopped reading from the first few posts because frankly, I didnt see any real information worth reading. Long winded posts and responces just kill it for me, when those same posts/responces have no useful information, just banter and arguing and borderlined malice.>>>> Sorry I dont know how todo snip's.

Remember... Christians are supposed to be Christian like. WWJD?>>>>Still learning, Like I said before I threw all I learned out before. So sometime's I need a spiritual smack. So Thanks.


Please continue...

Back to you ((Just so ya know this is jokeing, not rudeness))

Never a problem. May you get the answers your heart so desires.

Originally posted by pthena

MAL 4:4 "Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.

5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers; or else I will come and strike the land with a curse."

I originally thought of this verse because the back and forth on the thread reminded me of those children, "you just refuse to take into account what I am saying! Whah, Whaw!"

>>>>First outta respect to you. Because you did talk down to me, and were rather funny in you're respnose.
You relized that I was knew to this and led me as achild and not bullied me into what you were saying I did further research. To relize I was right about the other name of GOD i.e. EL' ohim But wrong about YAHWEH.

The verse from Malachi did not really help with the case. But when I saw these it opened my eye's

Research into the Angel of Mt.Sinai, Yahweh??
Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,

Yahweh was one of those other gods, i.e., a "son of EL".

YOu may wanna save these, they are the trump cards of that arguement.

You who say you keep the Sabbath according to Torah, have you stoned to death any Sabbath-breakers, for it is written, "Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death"

EX 31:12 Then the LORD said to Moses, 13 "Say to the Israelites, `You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

EX 31:14 " `Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. 15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death. 16 The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. 17 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.' "

>>>>Not in this way, I do need to clarify that. Only because Jesus never out right abolished the law. Also the quote I made concerning the sheep. He was addressing those who said he broke the sabbath by healing someone. He stated who wouldnt save a sheep hanging off the cliff on a sabbath, So how is the sheep better then the man I healed.

If you were to read the verse in its full context. I'd also like to point out that I do not follow pauline doctorine. It teach's faith alone and went against the very things JESUS taught. Even Matt saw this is tried to counter balance it.

Now why would Matthew see the message of Grace as a problem? Because it was and is so very susceptible to misinterpretation; Paul’s emphasis on Grace through faith had led many Christians to believe that once a person received salvation through Grace, that nothing more was required; you didn’t have to do anything because action equaled works and this was bad (i.e. YAHWEH's work's but with the living word to guide us we now know the works that our required by EL' OHIM). All that was/is necessary for the believer is faith; it does not require an accompanying morality or righteous action, a position still espoused by Christian bodies who are still intent on makeing an issue out of faith versus works (a very stupid exercise and thorough waste of time). To which, you’ve gotten it wrong. Sitting on your butt feeling holy is neither faith, nor grace, nor salvation; it is sitting on your butt doing nothing at all!

There is only one way that a person’s sincerity can be proved and that is by the person’s practice, for as someone once noted: “fine words cannot be substituted for fine deeds, there is only one proof of love and that proof is obedience to God’s will, (Now that I know who YAHWEH is I do relize what EL' Ohim's will is. El' Ohim was the peacefull loveing face of GOD. Not the I'll stone you face and kill and murder you face)
which finds its best expression in our actions.” Faith requires action as our response to the grace, the gift of life and love that we have received. i.e. Help all, Heal all, Love all. Be humble and un vain, Understanding and unjudgemental. Are just a few. There is so much more that I now relize.

P.S. I would just like to apologize to anyone I may have offended with my assinine way's I am still learning and growing.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I said I was humble enough to admit if I was wrong. Which I am wrong. Please save these verses it woulda saved you much trouble and arguementivness.

Research into the Angel of Mt.Sinai, Yahweh??
Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,

Yahweh was one of those other gods, i.e., a "son of EL".

I would also like you to know that the whole time we argued I did research it. But the verses you gave did nothing for the arguement. As niether did Malachi. These are point blank and will save all the hassel.

Thank You,
If you would like to move on from this is start over I am more then happy to.
But if you wish to go on in the same tone, Please go on. I will do as Jesus say's and cut myself off from you.
Either way I apologize

reply to post by theRhenn


Thanks, You are cyber good angel on my shoulder keeping my lil butt in line.

reply to post by Mividau

Like I said I know exactly where you were coming from because I was right there and not very long ago.
So no need to apologize and like I said, you may be right as far as your basic premise but it may be more along the lines of the man-made type thing that you were pointing out as not being right.
I believe the mark of the beast is an acceptance of a false religion, thus the name, beast, which is worshipping the creation over the Creator.

Originally posted by Mividau
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Thanks, You are cyber good angel on my shoulder keeping my lil butt in line.

reply to post by Mividau

If you were to read the verse in its full context. I'd also like to point out that I do not follow pauline doctorine. It teach's faith alone and went against the very things JESUS taught. Even Matt saw this is tried to counter balance it.

I was getting into this in the Mousetrails thread.
What you are objecting to is the doctrine of Erasmus.
If you ever read the book Misquoting Jesus, you would know there are some discrepancies between various manuscripts of the New Testament. What we have today as the king James Bible is basically the product of Erasmus who was the most learned man in the world in his time, and perhaps for a lot of time beyond his lifetime, realized the problems with the Vulgate Bible and went back to the manuscripts in the original languages and translated them into the legalese/scientific standard Latin to where just about anyone (properly educated) could take that and make a translation into their own language. Erasmus was a humanist Catholic priest and wanted to reflect his own philosophy in his translation, so he basically cherry picked through all the various renderings of the Greek to have one that made faith as being something that could be a meritorious attribute of the believer to be exercised to gain salvation.
So what I am saying is that you may not dislike Paul so much as you hate what Erasmus made him into.

reply to post by theRhenn


First just let me say you are my spiritual soul mate, I know not good right??
I believe that the true church was destroyed and counterfited....

Be carefull what you pray for, very true. I did pray to GOD for the answer to what they were saying. But I also prayed if I'm wrong please let me see.

That's were these verses came in, I am not this bible literat. I would like to point out.

Research into the Angel of Mt.Sinai, Yahweh??
Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,

Yahweh was one of those other gods, i.e., a "son of EL" ie Angel, Isreal was in his charge.

So here is the run down on the YAHWEH. He was angel sent by GOD, to talk to Moses and Isreal.
But he enjoyed his power to much and added or took away the true intention's of GOD. Which mis lead Isreal into thinking they were doing GOD's will and Instead did the Angels.

Which inturn would explain why Orthodox Jew's state christian's do not follow the same GOD.
But now as I read the OT. more I relize there is two different being's EL' Ohim and YAHWEH. Their personalities are very different. Which is evident in Jesus's personality, who personified El's persona. Which is why the most important laws became the one's of love.

I hope I explained it right.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Mividau

 

Like I said I know exactly where you were coming from because I was right there and not very long ago.
So no need to apologize and like I said, you may be right as far as your basic premise but it may be more along the lines of the man-made type thing that you were pointing out as not being right.
I believe the mark of the beast is an acceptance of a false religion, thus the name, beast, which is worshipping the creation over the Creator.

Which I agree with you about. When I found the name Yahweh I thought I was worshipping the Creater the true one. Not the angel.
I do not worship, the IDOL of GOD, or counterfiet version.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Mividau

 

If you were to read the verse in its full context. I'd also like to point out that I do not follow pauline doctorine. It teach's faith alone and went against the very things JESUS taught. Even Matt saw this is tried to counter balance it.

I was getting into this in the Mousetrails thread.
What you are objecting to is the doctrine of Erasmus.
If you ever read the book Misquoting Jesus, you would know there are some discrepancies between various manuscripts of the New Testament. What we have today as the king James Bible is basically the product of Erasmus who was the most learned man in the world in his time, and perhaps for a lot of time beyond his lifetime, realized the problems with the Vulgate Bible and went back to the manuscripts in the original languages and translated them into the legalese/scientific standard Latin to where just about anyone (properly educated) could take that and make a translation into their own language. Erasmus was a humanist Catholic priest and wanted to reflect his own philosophy in his translation, so he basically cherry picked through all the various renderings of the Greek to have one that made faith as being something that could be a meritorious attribute of the believer to be exercised to gain salvation.
So what I am saying is that you may not dislike Paul so much as you hate what Erasmus made him into.

edit on 25-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Sorry to requote it twice but it deserves to be up twice.
Like I said I am new to that understanding but aleast you see what I see. GOd is showing me and leading me, I just dont know what the end result will be. Thats why I discuss things of spiritual nature here. I see most church's as being spiritualy dead or very vain and pompus in their ways.

So I come here, and from time to time find true spiritual truth hiding away, just waiting to be found.
So thanks to all.

Originally posted by Mividau
reply to post by theRhenn

 

First just let me say you are my spiritual soul mate, I know not good right??
I believe that the true church was destroyed and counterfited....

Be carefull what you pray for, very true. I did pray to GOD for the answer to what they were saying. But I also prayed if I'm wrong please let me see.

That's were these verses came in, I am not this bible literat. I would like to point out.

Research into the Angel of Mt.Sinai, Yahweh??
Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh,

Yahweh was one of those other gods, i.e., a "son of EL" ie Angel, Isreal was in his charge.

So here is the run down on the YAHWEH. He was angel sent by GOD, to talk to Moses and Isreal.
But he enjoyed his power to much and added or took away the true intention's of GOD. Which mis lead Isreal into thinking they were doing GOD's will and Instead did the Angels.

Which inturn would explain why Orthodox Jew's state christian's do not follow the same GOD.
But now as I read the OT. more I relize there is two different being's EL' Ohim and YAHWEH. Their personalities are very different. Which is evident in Jesus's personality, who personified El's persona. Which is why the most important laws became the one's of love.

I hope I explained it right.

Miv, I have yet to find a lass that would enjoy these long conversations and speculations with me for hours on end, when dealing with this topic. I would very much offer my spiritual soul to you, should you ever need it. Spiritual soulmate? Why not!

I like to surround myself with people/friends who can define certain aspects of the bible to me, when I have run out of patience and resources on my own. It's good to have that kind of connection. More often than not, even supposed bible scholars will refuse such conversations. Sometimes it takes a simpleton to have something make complete sense to you. (me)

I will tell you this, and some of this Ive taken from conversations with the few informative friends I have on the subject. This one in particular is a mormon. (Who says any religions are right? Who's to say, they may all be, or none of them may be, or maybe muslims are right and we're all in big trouble - So I say, take it all in, and take what feels RIGHT to you. If it makes you doubt, there may be a reason... Believe all and nothing at the same time and you might just figure out where you belong).

Before I go off too much, too far..

Elohim - I understand is another name for God Judaism
- This may also mean assymbly of angels, judges, gods.. etc

El - Also another name for God
-old babalon and assyrian mythos use this word as a prefix meaning belonging to the superior god, for El in assyrian refers to the highest god.
- This, from what I understand, can also mean something or place belonging to God.
- For this purpose, lets use it as Divine, because it mean's ownership to God, thus it means Divine or Holy

YHWH - Once again, another name for God, BUT... There is a division. Some believe that this is the original name for Jesus.

So change the names accordingly.


Psalm 82:1: God has taken his place in the assembly of Divine (the Divine Assembly), in the midst of the Angels (Angels, Judges, God) He holds judgment.

Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Jesus, O sons of God (the divine, most holy, highest god), ascribe to Jesus glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Jesus, who among the sons of God is like Jesus,



It's kind of like using the same word for more than one meaning. Well, not kinda... Lol I think it is.

As I finish this up, I'm looking at other refrences for these verses and I'm seeing just that taking place. They almost read the same. We also have words in our own languages that mean multiple things, but usually relating to the same idea.

Hope this helps, but this is just what I think and understand. If I find another way or explination that makes more sense to me, I usually go with the most "wise" explination, but untill then, this is all I have on those verses, hun.

Please, by all means, I could talk about these things for days at a time.

Originally posted by Mividau

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Mividau

 

Like I said I know exactly where you were coming from because I was right there and not very long ago.
So no need to apologize and like I said, you may be right as far as your basic premise but it may be more along the lines of the man-made type thing that you were pointing out as not being right.
I believe the mark of the beast is an acceptance of a false religion, thus the name, beast, which is worshipping the creation over the Creator.

Which I agree with you about. When I found the name Yahweh I thought I was worshipping the Creater the true one. Not the angel.
I do not worship, the IDOL of GOD, or counterfiet version.

To be perfectly honest... I dont feel that God makes a distinction as to what name we use, so long as we know who he is... The God of Adam, Abraham, Israel, Moses, who brought the slaves out of egypt... See where I'm going? Dont spend too much time on this because it may be more trouble than it's worth. Know who you're speaking to in your heart and he will know... Remember... All knowing... Hello!