The Norway massacre and the question nobody cares to ask

Quote from source-

"Breivik surrendered to an armed, specialist police unit which said it had arrived on the scene about 40 minutes after being called out by youngsters at the camp, organised by the youth wing of Norway’s ruling Labour Party. By then, Breivik, who had two guns when he was arrested, had been shooting for 90 minutes without anybody able to stop him."

Link-www.telegraph.co.uk...

Regards to all

Originally posted by syrinx high priest


but since this is ats, it's obama's fault

edit on 23-7-2011 by syrinx high priest because: (no reason given)

Ha ha ha! I'm sure someone on here will get around to blaming him somehow! Perhaps it's all a conspiracy tied in with his 'fake' birth certificate....

Originally posted by johncarter
I am in Scandinavia right now(Sweden) and as I follow this drama in Norway, I ask myself the most natural question no journalist has written about , how exactly was this psychopath, loaded with ak5:s, tons of ammo, and a whopping 90 lives on his conscience arrested?

Not a word . Complete silence. What? Did a cop just walk over to him and shouted, halt you are arrested in the name of justice? Did a SWAT team get him? Alive?!!! This guy just massacred over 90 ppl. Not a chance he would just hand over himself alive to the police. The sentence for terrorist acts in Norway is 21 years minimum!


Sources:

Largets paper in Norway Verdens Gang (Verdens Gang)

Largets national tv channel; NRK


I smell a rat here.


Geopolitically Norway has been a nuisance for the TPTB for decades, due to its enormous wealth and complete lack of national debt. They are anti-israeli and declared recently that they support a palestenian state and have withdraw any and all support of Israel.

The current OP in Norway is executed by a minumum team of two to three persons. Not one. Those here with a certain military experience can easily see how impossible it would be to execute this entire operation singlehandedly.

Whats also interesting is that it came just in time with the current Murdoch fever in Brittish press. Suddenly its all silence there and all news only about this. Very convenient if you ask me.

Like 911 this dreadful occurence has in a way disabled peoples ability to think critically and ask the necessary questions behind the deed. Who benefits from this? Why now? What syncronicitydo we see with other geopolitical/economic issues?

edit on 23-7-2011 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

I would imagine someone has already said something but I looked and found nothing.It is 21 years max in prison for anything unless you know something the web or MSM doesen't.They are already talking about how he will get out at age 50 something.

That being said it could be an agenda to give up, go to prison and shout your agenda from there all the while being protected by the no doubt prisoner population that thinks like he does.

Also don't you think with all the survivers there would be someone that could verify by site or sound that there was more then one shooter??

reply to post by bhornbuckle75
First it was Bush's falt and now its Obama's falt.

Got anything more original or is that it for the Socialist of the world now?

He willingly gave himself up. Why is that such a hard thing to grasp? The man went on a psychotic killing rampage. His behavior is clearly already up for serious questioning. The question is moot and irrelevant. There are much more important and mysterious questions about this whole story than this. It's downright silly what makes it to the front page of ATS, these days.

reply to post by JRCrowley


This makes no sense though.

Why did he willingly give up ?

He just killed 92 people

Did he meet his quota for the day or something and decide to stop like he was clocking off work for the day ?

He just broke the law at least 92 times so why would he care because the cops showed up, just more people for him to kill no ?

Really really makes no sense that he just willingly gave up unless he used up all his ammunition

Originally posted by gremlin2011
reply to post by Master_007

 

we are all tired of immigration but no way in hell would i kill my fellow brits for it

shudnt he of went after the ones he protesting against

I thought the same thing. Here is this guy who is anti-Islam who ends up murdering over 91 children of his own race and religion. (ah, was it because they were young members of the Labor Party and the murderer was a member of an opposing party?)

I think Norwegians should offer a concealed firearm program where responsible shooters can protect society.

He wants a chance to explain himself and his actions. He feels they were necessary to hurt the party that supports immigration and to show his country the error of their ways. We have had many like him in the US including the Oklahoma bomber and the unabomber, although huge conspiracy pondering will be abound, in the end I think its just as simple as the columbine tragedy, someone hates and also has the ways and means to carry it through.

Originally posted by Discotech
reply to post by JRCrowley

 

This makes no sense though.

Why did he willingly give up ?

He just killed 92 people

Did he meet his quota for the day or something and decide to stop like he was clocking off work for the day ?

He just broke the law at least 92 times so why would he care because the cops showed up, just more people for him to kill no ?

Really really makes no sense that he just willingly gave up unless he used up all his ammunition

Well, first of all, the thing you're not understanding (perhaps) is that this guy is psychopathic.

Unless and until you can digest that fact, you won't be able to understand his motives in giving up - as opposed to, for example, starting a Hollywood-style shoot-em up defense against the police, or perhaps offing himself at the last second. The likelihood that he is insane is somewhere around 99.999%. Either that, or he was brainwashed and carried out these killings under extremely powerful suggestive force.

Whatever the case may be, occam's razor tells us he was likely insane. Looking back at various mass murders and other violent crime, it's not altogether that uncommon that the suspects remain very calm before, during and after the crime. In many cases witnesses tell of blank looks on their faces, and looking like they were calmly standing at a bus stop, like they do this sort of thing all the time.

The fact that he just dropped his weapons after the police arrived 90 minutes later and walked up to them and gave up didn't surprise me for a second. It also wouldn't have been a big deal had he decided to shoot himself or commit suicide by cop and have them blast him dead.

Perhaps he willingly gave up because he felt he had accomplished his fiendish goal.

He didn't want to kill the cops. He wanted to kill young kids who felt safe and secure on an island, kids who were affiliated with a political party that he despised.

He clearly had issues with women as well. It is said that he killed the prettiest girl first. He also made sure to kill using only 1 bullet to save rounds. He was very efficient. He went from tent to tent and fired into their heads, one by one, only using 1 bullet, despite the fact that he was using a semi-auto rifle.

This person was carefully and strategically carrying this act out. He knew he would have plenty of time to do it, being on this isolated island like that, and the children not having guns to protect themselves.

Once the police arrived, he may have thought, "meh. I got my share. Time to go to jail and have a coffee and a chat with the police."

The murder laws in that country are extremely weak. This POS might actually enjoy freedom later in his life (unless they change the law for this specific case) Why should he kill himself if he knows that?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sorry to cross reference here, but I think this thread explains his motives, his ambitions, his intentions etc.

Please read.

Yes this story does not add up. Eyewitnesses are saying there was other shooters. And if there was. How did they get off the island and escape capture. After shooting so many young people, the cops arrest him with no struggle. And know he is coperating with police. Let me guess. Hes spilling it all. He is against multi culture in his country. And against the bailouts. So now the world leaders will have to come out against those who disagree with what they are doing. So now we have to look out for blond blue eyed terriost.
Still to earlly to come to a solid answer. But it does stink of false flag from International interest.

Originally posted by aarys
Yes this story does not add up. Eyewitnesses are saying there was other shooters. And if there was. How did they get off the island and escape capture. After shooting so many young people, the cops arrest him with no struggle. And know he is coperating with police. Let me guess. Hes spilling it all. He is against multi culture in his country. And against the bailouts. So now the world leaders will have to come out against those who disagree with what they are doing. So now we have to look out for blond blue eyed terriost.
Still to earlly to come to a solid answer. But it does stink of false flag from International interest.

Anything's possible. He's also Pro-Zionist and a Freemason.

And if you look at what was happening recently in Norwegian politics, there was a lot of movement to support Gaza. JUST SAYIN

I love how this place goes into overdrive with the conspiracies before the official line has even been stated.
You have absolutely nothing to claim is false and scream about and already people are coming up with wild stories and fantasies about what authorities "might" suggest.

You guys are not theorists, you can't be when the full official time-line of the facts has not been created. You're simply hungry for another conspiracy to climb all over, and now is not the time.

Originally posted by dron020
reply to post by smallpeeps

 

You know what if the world is stupid enough to get stewed over like the way you claim. Then the Zionist are smart people. But again i don't think you're conspiracy is true at all. This world is not build by few evil people it is build by the masses who allow # to happen. And then they complain on a forum that it is the Jews who did it. Well I can tell you that 6 million Jews did not die for a conspiracy. People do not like to see their family and themselves suffer and be killed like animals. The fact that you and others talk about this like just a statistic of a evil plan is very disrespectful, The Illuminati exist but they are not impossible to stop. All you have to do is stop falling into fear. And for that manner for those who see this Lone shooter as a freedom fighter. How is he any better any other Murderer. He has done what he wanted to spread fear and hate.

Your words have merit, thanks for saying them. The only thing I can say in response, is that whatever system you adhere to, can victimize you as well. So if you choose, like Jesus, to be a total loner, then you cannot expect support, from any tribe you thereby reject. All tribes will hate you if you do not join, yet all tribes may victimize you if you do join. Tribes are what they are.

Some would say, tribes are good, because they help to alleviate the angst of the loner, like this guy. I am inclined to agree with that, but then there is the larger point which says that if the tribe gets too large or powerful or too ruthless or competitive, then it becomes a gang, like the thugee of India were a tribe, but they were an altogether different tribe from the Jesuit colonists, who also once were just a tribe, who followed a chief named Ignacious.

Anyway, this shooter, is not the only messed up confused fellow who is suffering from the modern malaise and programming. Surely this act of his and his recruitment video, shows a severe lack of common sense.

He seems to be orbiting socialism and 'isms in general, on behalf of staunch Christianity. I am saying that we could defuse all this sort of tension, by recruiting the ladies in the name of Jesus. Then these ladies of Jesus, can talk these confused violent dudes, off their individual ledges, so to speak.

Newsflash: Jesus loves kids at least as much if not more, than Mohammed. So why are mohammed's wombs contributing more kids to the world, than Jesus' wombs are? What's with all these nuns locking their eggs away and never using their gift of procreation for Jesus? No, I say Jesus wants us to let the nuns choose to breed, so as to make more Christians and therefore out breed the Mohameddans.

Anyone who denys these "daughters and wives of Christ" the right to use their wombs to produce Christian fruit, is playing right into the hands of this whole psychosis which infected this man's mind. He is frustrated and scared of losing his land, and that is the main reason people will be violent. I am advising a western migration from the way of the nun, to the way of fun. In this way we can outbreed the enemy in 20 years, thereby defeating this whole scheme of depression and psychosis which is being applied through these mechanisms.

Yes Earth may have 30 billion people as a result, but more of them will be followers of the gospel, meaning peaceful and good to women. Peacelovers and not jihadists.

And if we learn to grow food in hydroponics as the astronauts and sealab people do, then there will be enough food for everyone. Remember how Jesus fed people with a few fishes? Well to me this means that we should discard the haters of breeding, and embrace motherhood, because mom always knows how to water down the soup and make more.

Also, this shooter, well he has a mom. So how does a young man go so wrong as to hurt his mom's feelings by acting so cruelly? I am speaking to the root causes of this man and any who might emulate him. I feel there is a need for a new way forward, in love. We do not need to heed the Albert Pike "death by muslims" scenario if we just outbreed them. Really it is the only way to defeat his scheme.

stevebeckow.com bombing exercise

Oslo Police Held Bombing Exercise Days Before Blast: Similar to 9/11 and 7/7
2011 July 23
by Steve Beckow

Only a day after the blast, people are beginning to point out the resemblances to 9/11 and 7/7. Thanks to Edvard.
Oslo Police Conducted Bombing Exercise Days Before Terrorist Blast

UFO Blogger, July 23, 2011

www.ufo-blogger.com...

In yet another example of how almost every major terror event is accompanied by a security drill focused around the same scenario, Oslo police were conducting a bombing exercise at a location near the Oslo Opera House just 48 hours before a terrorist blast hit a government building in the Norwegian capital.

Although it’s too early to judge the nature of this exercise, the fallback of a drill, which gives the state an excuse should any evidence of complicity in the real attack emerge, has been evident in previous major terror events, including both 7/7 and 9/11.

reply to post by aarys


Yeah, I usually don't jump on the conspiracy bandwagon when some a-hole goes on a shooting spree but this thing is just bizarre. I can probably believe that he wants to live so he can spread his reasons for doing this but it's hard for me to put together why this guy - who seemed opinionated but not psychopathic - decided to go out and kill almost 100 people.

When I see guys like Jarred Loughner, Seung-Hui Cho, etc. it's fairly easy to see a pattern of eccentricity, isolation, anger, etc. from an early age. Most of the stuff I've seen so far about this guy seems like he was able to hold jobs, farmed, invested. Now we're seeing all this stuff about his "Christian fundamentalism", Islamaphobia, and "Right-wingism" (whatever that means) not to mention all these recently created Facebook and YouTube accounts. It's just hard for me to believe that he lost his marbles so quickly without the usual patterns of someone "losing his marbles."

....and 21 years max? Can't they give him 21 years at least for each murder? - if not, that's just stupid.

reply to post by Gorman91


Friend, I am not attacking you, just want to educate.

Former 3/75th RGR RGT Infantry.

That is not how WAR works. For instance, those blow up barriers you think stop bullets, don't!

I fire rounds starting 3 feet behind you and work them forward to the corner.

Now, you are thinking the building will stop that...In the Old or Third world that would work because of the earthen or stone masonry...Thing is in America many NEW buildings are frame and stucco.

Only movie I have seen that comes close to reality of ballistics is Clint Eastwood's "The Gauntlet".

And the classic movie scene of hiding behind the open car door. NO!

Myth Busters examined the idea of hiding behind a vehicle...yeah no workie...rounds pass right through. Safest place is the engine block.

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

He looks too cute to be a killer anyway. I think someone else did the deed. Come on, out here it would of been the Wild Wild West with cops trying to take him down, and him resisting arrest, But, he didn't resist an arrest. I don't buy that either. If he was going to go on a killing spree he would had an escape plan just like the movie below.

Watch the movie
"RAMPAGE"

I dont know to much my self. but to get from one place to another and be able to kill that many. possible but I doubt it.

I heard the Norwegian Prime Minister say in his speach (sorry no link but it was broadly televised) that he already knew some of the victims' parents personally. Maybe this wasn't just a random bunch of lefty kids.