Massive UFO disclosure in USA : A challenge for ATS

I HATE BLACK INK

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I haven't read it, but I commend the OP for putting all of that together. I'm sure it took a lot of time.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Section 7 : The Footnote.com Challenge : Efficient Downloading?

Looking at documents on the Footnote.com website can be frustrating experience.

The speed at which documents appear on the screen, and (even more so) can be downloaded to read off-line, varies greatly from document to document and day to day. On one or two occasions, I have given up looking into issues due to pages repeatedly appearing very slowly or with patches of text missing.

Due to these problems (and the risk that Footnote.com may decide to stop supplying these documents at some point), I think it is highly desirable to download the ENTIRE relevant collection.

I have not been able to identify an efficient way of achieving that goal.

Calling up each image and downloading it in turn would not be practicable.


So, the challenge to members of ATS is : Can you find an efficient way to download the entire free collection of over 125,000 documents?


I am aware of some download management tools (such as Flashget) available for Firefox and other browsers which can assist in downloading all the files of a certain type (e.g. all the jpeg images) on a webpage, but have had difficulty in using those tools to make any real inroads on downloading the entire collection of Project Bluebook documents.

Some of the problems that I’ve encountered are that:

(1) it seems to be much easier to find ways just to download jpeg thumbnails which are available for each image, with URL beginning “img.footnote.com”, such as the link below:
img.footnote.com...

However, these thumbnails are too small to be very useful for research. It would be much better to be able to efficiently download the full images, without having to select the download option on each individual page.


(2) While it may be possible to use a script or tool to download a list of URLs and then use a script or tool to generate a list of URLs with consecutive numbers, the URLs for consecutive images on Footnote.com are not necessarily numbered consecutively. For example, image /#9668013 is followed by /#9668016 which is in turn /#9668018.


Basically, this sort of issue is beyond my technical abilities.


I know that there are quite a few technically minded members of ATS, so I would be very grateful for any thoughts or links to tools which would make downloading the entire collection efficient…

It would also be highly desirable to download the documents in a way which retained as much of the data associated with the images as possible, e.g. that image #9668033 is page 21 within the Project Bluebook/[Blank]/[Blank]/[Blank] directory. This would be useful when seeking to find an unredacted copy of the document (if available) on the under-appreciated non-governmental Bluebook Archive website mentioned above.


I think there is scope for members of ATS to make a real contribution to the wider ufological community by seeking to address this challenge.

Do you know the approximate volume of data avaialble for download?

reply to post by zorgon
Uploading all of them to my 4shared would take ages.

Luckily, someone has already done it Download UK MoD UFO Files Here!

I've checked a file out and it's legit. They are definitely the March 2011 releases.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by zorgon

 

Uploading all of them to my 4shared would take ages.

Really? Time to upgrade I gotz 13meg upload

Thanks I will pop over and get them.

Have you seen this one?

Three crashed saucers 9 bodies

reply to post by zorgon
Yeah, it's the Guy Hotell memo. Isaac Koi posted a thread about it recently.

Funny you should mention that; I saw his photo for the 1st time today...Guy Hotell (G-Man). He looked quite a scrapper.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by zorgon

 

Yeah, it's the Guy Hotell memo. Isaac Koi posted a thread about it recently.

That thread is at the link below:

Debunked! The FBI alien bodies memo – A case study in the reinvention of the wheel

Funny you should mention that; I saw his photo for the 1st time today...Guy Hotell (G-Man). He looked quite a scrapper.

Mmm. I'll have to add that link to my thread about the memo.

All the best,

Isaac

Thanks Got them all except this one
filestore.nationalarchives.gov.uk...

Was 404ed

reply to post by zorgon
I just uploaded it over here.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Massive UFO disclosure in USA : A challenge for ATS

Hi IsaacKoi,

Kudos for this really excellent thread and therefore also a well deserved S&F for the way you did put it all together. [as usual]
I see again that although I think that I am aware of quite a bit of information about this subject there is still so much more information I am not aware of.
It’s clear to me that you are absolutely right by saying that the USA has now made available online more UFO documents than other countries which I did not realize myself earlier for some reason.
So thanks for sharing this.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by Erno86
Coast to Coast Radio had a ufologist on last week. I forgot his name, but he sounded like he had an Irish or Scottish accent.

The guest claimed that Edward Ruppelt, the author of the book- The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects, was forced by the United States Air Force, too recant his conclusion in the first edition, that some of these UFO sighting's was an intelligent technology; from not of this Earth. This recant was posted in the second edition.

There is a definite change in the tone of the two editions of his book.

As you may know, the new version, with three new chapters at the end (Chapters 18, 19, 20) basically reaches a skeptical conclusion. The first edition was more market-friendly, in that fairly pro-UFO.

Perhaps he simply adopted one angle (fairly pro-UFO) when writing the first book since this is the best marketing angle, but felt a bit guilty later or felt he was being misportrayed?

Or (as some authors have suggested) he may have simply been fed up with the lack of progress and/or contactees making wild claims (e.g. Adamski). The latter are discussed at some length in his newer edition.

Quite a few pro-UFO websites contain copies of, or quote from, the original version of the book.

You will hear less about the revised edition...

The revised edition (published in 1959 or 1960) can in fact be found online, e.g. at:
www.gutenberg.org...

While many UFO websites contain apparently supportive quotations by Ruppelt, I don't think many UFO websites include quotes such as the following one from Ruppelt's revised edition:

During the past four years the most frequent question I've been asked is: "What do you personally think? Do unidentified flying objects exist, or don't they?"

I'm positive they don't.

I was very skeptical when I finished my tour of active duty with the
Air Force and left Project Blue Book in 1953, but now I'm convinced.
(Ruppelt - Chapter 20 of revised edition)

I find that really unbelievable, because how on Earth could he say later on that he is positive that unidentified flying objects don't exist after writing for instance the things below in his first book “The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects”.
I simply cannot believe that it has anything to do with that he perhaps simply adopted one angle (fairly pro-UFO) when writing the first book since this is the best marketing angle, but felt a bit guilty later or felt he was being misportrayed?
It looks more to me as if he knew very well what was going on regarding those UFO’s and that he could have recant his opinion later on in his second edition because of what Erno86 said.

Originally posted by Erno86
The guest claimed that Edward Ruppelt, the author of the book- The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects, was forced by the United States Air Force, too recant his conclusion in the first edition, that some of these UFO sighting's was an intelligent technology; from not of this Earth. This recant was posted in the second edition.

Here are for instance two interesting excerpts out of that first edition.

About Kenneth Arnold's sighting.

There was an old theory that maybe Arnold had seen wind whipping snow along the mountain ridges, so I asked about this. I got a flat "Impossible." My expert on the early Arnold era said, "I've lived in the Pacific Northwest many years and have flown in the area for hundreds of hours. It's impossible to get powder snow low in the mountains in June. Personally, I believe Arnold saw some kind of aircraft and they weren't from this earth." He went on to tell me about two other very similar sightings that had happened the day after Arnold saw the nine disks. He knew the people who made these sightings and said that they weren't the kind to go off "half cocked." He offered to get a T-6 and fly me up to Boise to talk to them since they had never made a report to the military, but I had to return to Dayton so I declined.

What Are UFO's? Just a little over ten years ago there was another "it can't be." Ex-President Harry S. Truman recalls in the first volume of the Truman Memoirs what Admiral William D. Leahy, then Chief of Staff to the President, had to say about the atomic bomb. "That is the biggest fool thing we have ever done," he is quoted as saying. 'The bomb will never go off, and I speak as an expert in explosives."

Personally, I don't believe that "it can't be." I wouldn't class myself as a "believer," exactly, because I've seen too many UFO reports that first appeared to be unexplainable fall to pieces when they were thoroughly investigated.

But every time I begin to get skeptical I think of the other reports, the many reports made by experienced pilots and radar operators, scientists, and other people who know what they're looking at. These reports were thoroughly investigated and they are still unknowns. Of these reports, the radar-visual sightings are the most convincing. When a ground radar picks up a UFO target and a ground observer sees a light where the radar target is located, then a jet interceptor is scrambled to intercept the UFO and the pilot also sees the light and gets a radar lock-on only to have the UFO almost impudently outdistance him, there is no simple answer. We have no aircraft on this earth that can at will so handily outdistance our latest jets.

The Air Force is still actively engaged in investigating UFO reports, although during the past six months there have been definite indications that there is a movement afoot to get Project Blue Book to swing back to the old Project Grudge philosophy of analyzing UFO reports—write [p.243] them all off, regardless.

But good UFO reports cannot be written off with such answers as fatigued pilots seeing a balloon or star; "green" radar operators with only fifteen years' experience watching temperature inversion caused blips on their radarscopes; or "a mild form of mass hysteria or war nerves."

Using answers like these, or similar ones, to explain the UFO reports is an expedient method of getting the percentage of unknowns down to zero, but it is no more valid than turning the hands of a clock ahead to make time pass faster. Twice before the riddle of the UFO has been "solved," only to have the reports increase in both quantity and quality.

I wouldn't want to hazard a guess as to what the final outcome of the UFO investigation will be, but I am sure that within a few years there will be a proven answer. The earth satellite program, which was recently announced, research progress in the fields of electronics, nuclear physics, astronomy, and a dozen other branches of the sciences will furnish data that will be useful to the UFO investigators. Methods of investigating and analyzing UFO reports have improved a hundredfold since 1947 and they are continuing to be improved by the diligent work of Captain Charles Hardin, the present chief of Project Blue Book, his staff, and the 4602nd Air Intelligence Squadron.
Slowly but surely these people are working closer to the answer—closer to the proof.
Maybe the final proven answer will be that all of the UFO's that have been reported are merely misidentified known objects.

Or maybe the many pilots, radar specialists, generals, industrialists, scientists, and the man on the street who have told me, "I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen it myself," knew what they were talking about.

Maybe the earth is being visited by interplanetary spaceships.

Only time will tell.

Originally posted by Kandinsky
Regarding the Tehran Incident, I collected statements, sketches, documents etc into a 32 page pdf and uploaded it a few days ago at 1976 Tehran UFO Incident (documents, sketches, interviews etc)

Hi Kandinsky, thanks for making that pdf and posting it there.
I have downloaded it to my comp and it looks great.

No better way to plan an invasion than to let people know your there. Let them start the panic and then seize control when everyone is running around like chicken's without head's.

Originally posted by EdwardLovick
No better way to plan an invasion than to let people know your there. Let them start the panic and then seize control when everyone is running around like chicken's without head's.

This is what I never understood, I don't think the mass population would be act in the way you describe, some would but from what history tells us, most would try to fight back even if it were futile, it is just human nature.

Back to the thread:

It seems like some progress is being made by Zargon and Kandinsky, my progress has been slow, but I will continue to work at it.

reply to post by zorgon


I still don't see how all this pertains to aliens. And so what if it says three small bodies. You all want to believe aliens have visited earth(recently). I have read no factual evidence of the sort.

Did you even read the disclaimer?


I too would love to know what is covered in black ink. But you don't see me guessing it must be language pertaining to aliens.


Thanks for the sites though.

Originally posted by dilly1
Did you even read the disclaimer?

Give it a rest ... did YOU even read the title of the thread?

"Massive UFO disclosure in USA : A challenge for ATS"

Show me where it says ALIENS

I still don't see how all this pertains to aliens.

Did you even read Isaac's posts? Because if you HAD you would have seen this comment...

"Each of these items, particularly Item (c), may have nothing whatsoever to do with aliens... "

And so what if it says three small bodies. You all want to believe aliens have visited earth(recently).

Did you even read the posts and Isaac's thread showing that document was a HOAX?

I have read no factual evidence of the sort.

Just because you don't doesn't mean others don't. And how can you get evidence if you have difficulty reading even simple posts

Now stop trolling and get back to the work load

Ok. So it took me most of last night and the last freaking hour to read this entire thread and I am wondering. How the heck are we gonna organize a list of who is reading what? I've completed a document from Dec 21 1952 San Antonio Tx. I would love to give a summary but having reading this thread I should also assume there may be some complex archiving scheme being plotted.

Thanks.

Also, I have limited time to research, but will offer what time I do have.

Originally posted by dilly1
reply to post by DomCheetham

 

Not true. Just because we pay taxes doesn't mean they have to disclose classified information or explain exactly what was flying in our skies that day. I don't see the connection. And usually its the military. They have more immunity than GOD. They can tell you whatever they like. But keep trying "taxes= truth" approach. We 'll be here waiting for the great news.

And the government needs us to buy there bullsh**. Which most of us do unfortunately. They have an agenda and when they tell us something(o thru tv/radio/internet/movies) its because they need us to be on their page. Which is total brain washing on their part. I think we could agree on that specific part. But hoping or demanding for top secret proof is a fantasy. It just is.

Every goverment will keep secrets ofcourse, i wasn't really connecting E.T disclosure with goverment willingness to do so, i do agree though that would be super. Your statement was that the goverment ows us nothing and i think that they do even though we do not see it sometimes.

Why have a goverment at all? We need them to sustain our way of life. Laws and economy are 2 main reasons for having them.

What do they owe us? This thread is exactly what they owe us. Open UFO files for the public.

On a final note you said that the goverment has an agenda, whilst that sounds possible with no proof it has the same weight as aliens on earth. So perhaps you should start your own thread about goverment agendas and i will be very happy to read and gladly add my own opinion about it.

Originally posted by AlienCarnage

Originally posted by EdwardLovick
No better way to plan an invasion than to let people know your there. Let them start the panic and then seize control when everyone is running around like chicken's without head's.

This is what I never understood, I don't think the mass population would be act in the way you describe, some would but from what history tells us, most would try to fight back even if it were futile, it is just human nature.

Back to the thread:

It seems like some progress is being made by Zargon and Kandinsky, my progress has been slow, but I will continue to work at it.

Hi,

I actually do think that most people would go TOTALLY nuts robbing and plundering in what they think is the last 10 minuttes of there lives.

Watching mega disaster events + all disaster movies availible everytime there is a ruble in peoples everyday life, everything goes KABOOOOMMMM for some reason.

So hell yeh they need to keep it secret and let a little information out sometimes so people are getting used to the toughts.

Thanks,

Originally posted by Cuauhtemoc
having reading this thread I should also assume there may be some complex archiving scheme being plotted.

Rather than moving on to any scheme that involving splitting up the task of downloading and/or reading the documents, I'm still optimistic (although less so than when I started this thread) that somone will identify a way of downloading all or part of the relevant collection of 129,000 pages of documentation (without seeking to download the entirety of the incredibly HUGE footnote.com website. of which the UFO documents are a very small part).

So far, it seems that no one has had any success with that challenge - but this thread was only started a few days ago and I'm hoping one or two people are still trying and merely have not reported back on this thread yet.

All the best,

Isaac, the eternal optimist

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Hi I dont have the internet for it myself really until late next month, just moved to new house. - Anyway this:

www.httrack.com...

Will sort all your problems.

Thanks,