Debunkers Take It In The Teeth Again

Originally posted by King Triad
I really have to wonder why so many people who don't believe in aliens or ufos are on a ufo alien forum?...

Even in our skepticism, we still find the subject endlessly fascinating. And even in our skepticism, we remain ever hopeful.

Originally posted by King Triad
the us govt has entire agency's who debunk for a living

Proof?

reply to post by sir_slide

Thanks for bringing this up again.
I nearly forgot about it.
If my memory serves me right they allegedly recorded 45min of footage of said event.
Too bad this isn't about the release, if the film even exists in the first place.

As for the thread title, I'm so tired of this Skeptics vs. Believers thing, I cannot put it into words, no offense.
It's astounding to me how many people here are willing to play that game.
I saw much of what I considered undisputable evidence debunked here over time.
It's sad at first but I wouldn't want it any different, I don't want to "believe" in a lie.
So if anyone is able to expose a fraud/fake it's absolutely right thing to do so imo.

Yeah, I am sick and tired of these legit scientists thinking the subject is too taboo to talk about. Astronomers should be the first to rally behind evidence like this.


(OFF TOPIC) P.S. Nice Tom Waits photo.

i wonder if he is going to supply us with some photos taken over the years of his work. and i do not think anyone will hire him come soon and i am almost positive he will be discredited soon if not already.

Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by 31Bravo
Debunkers like you have asked over and over again "Where are all expert astronomers testimony's if there are supposedly UFO's flying everywhere???" Wow.. really?

Yes, where is all the expert astronomers' testimony? You have one. Out of the thousands of professional and amateur astronomers out there, observing the sky every night of then year, you would expect many more UFO sightings. Outside of the one astronomer who hasn't backed up his claims, the source article requires special-pleading to explain why more astronomers are not making these observations.

Originally posted by 31Bravo
but getting credible evidence that they just might be from somewhere other than earth is hard...

Dr. Wang Sichao's testimony isn't credible, because all he has is a claim. As a scientist, he should be producing the evidence to support those claims. But thus far, he hasn't. Saying his claims are credible or that this proves anything is an appeal-to-authority, based on not any evidence but his position.

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Ohk, so there is one testimony.. now we need more I suppose? I guess we all forgot that this is a conspiracy website and just like the writer said somethin about "thank him for coming forward, while the IAU is trying to keep a lid on things" maybe that's exactly what it is.. maybe he IS the only willing scientist to come forward. Also, I disagree with you on the he's not credible remark.. he's a scientist with a degree that backs up his claim, unlike a lot of debunkers on here that owns a telescope or has looked through one before or "trolls" to be politically correct.. if you have a science degree then I will respect your opinion more.

Also, you are right about one thing and that is the article, at least the way I took it, did not specify if he had actually seen a UFO or if it was hear say.. I'm not sure which, but either way his word is better than most here on ATS.

reply to post by sir_slide


One man isn't enough. Do you understand the idea of consensus.

Now I have no doubt there are ufos. But I'm not convinced they're alien yet.

He'll the fact most aliens are portrayed like a man just makes me doubt them all the more. Aliens wouldn't look like a man.

DEfinitely a good post! Debunkers just lost some cool points!

reply to post by Patrick2089


I gather no-one has seen The Disclosure Project?

Several ex-officials coming forth in that one.

Originally posted by 31Bravo
Ohk, so there is one testimony.. now we need more I suppose?

If such sightings were a common occurrence, out of the thousands of professional and amateur astronomers that watch the sky ever single night in every part of the globe, you would expect there would be more, a lot more.

Originally posted by 31Bravo
I guess we all forgot that this is a conspiracy website

So that means we must throw common sense, logic and facts out the window?

Originally posted by 31Bravothank him for coming forward, while the IAU is trying to keep a lid on things

Special pleading. Unable to find the evidence he wants, the author invents a conspiracy he has no evidence for to explain this lack of evidence. Instead of fitting the theory to the evidence, he is trying to fit the evidence to the theory.

Originally posted by 31Bravohe's a scientist with a degree that backs up his claim

His degree does not back up his claims. He needs facts and evidence to support his claims.

Firstly, i believe there is alien life out there and that we are being visited.

however, people jumping to defend or make excuses on behalf of someone who has made a "claim" is not sufficient proof that the claim is true, anyone can make awesome claims, or assumptions, but it doesnt mean that what they are saying is true.

I've seen proof enough with my own eyes, but it doesnt mean i believe in what this astronomer is claiming, i could make a 10 page post on the amount of "weird" things ive seen and been subject too, but because i don't have a double doctrate in "staring at the stars" not many would barely believe a word i've said. not to mention the
"pics or didn't happen" scenario!

all i'm saying is i sympathise with the fellow believers but i do understand the logic of the skeptic.
I'd believe in god if i could have proof that an invisible man exist....but, pics or didnt happen

There are very few skeptics here who say they outright "don't" believe in aliens or UFO's.
Being a skeptic does not automatically make you a none believer.It simply means you need evidence in order to prove a hypothesis.
Once you remove all mundane explanations then you can say you have something.

I would be happy the day some skeptics would just admit they don't know rather than the usual 'chinese lantern' mentality. To the credentials of witnesses don't matter, they just know better than anybody else.

They always seem to know it all, picking some facts, ignoring others to make a moot point. Moreover, you never see them in the best UFO threads, only those easier to debunk topics.

You won't change this mentality, to them the truth is whatever makes them sleep better at night.

Originally posted by TheOracle

There are very few skeptics here who say they outright "don't" believe in aliens or UFO's.
Being a skeptic does not automatically make you a none believer.It simply means you need evidence in order to prove a hypothesis.
Once you remove all mundane explanations then you can say you have something.

I would be happy the day some skeptics would just admit they don't know rather than the usual 'chinese lantern' mentality. To the credentials of witnesses don't matter, they just know better than anybody else.

They always seem to know it all, picking some facts, ignoring others to make a moot point. Moreover, you never see them in the best UFO threads, only those easier to debunk topics.

You won't change this mentality, to them the truth is whatever makes them sleep better at night.

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Is that what you really think? People that dispose of their faculties in order to please you are OK. And the rest are somehow paid debunkers? Sad.

It really irks me to come here and feel obliged to take part in these silly "one up" topics where "one side" feels the need to stick it to the other. Seriously, skeptics and believers, if you want to boil it down to that level of simplicity, need to coexist, or we all just end up off our rockers.



Anyway, all this guy said was that he's seen many UFO's. So what?

Do you know how many credible people see UFO's? A lot. I reiterate, so what?

Nobody has ever denied the existence of UFO's, and if they do, they're blinded by ignorance.

At the same time, no one has ever proven what these UFO's are, and until someone does, it's just one more person claiming to see something thousands have claimed to see.

Once more, so what?

lol nice over sensationalistic title there...

op isn't playing with a full deck upstairs it seems...

finding 1 person among the billions on earth isn't "kicking anything in the teeth"


reported for trolling is all this is

reply to post by Cito


ahahah nice little attack there buddy. You have obviously failed to read more than a sentence of this thread, I quoted the title from the original article, and you should really take a look in the mirror about that trolling comment, how hypocritical.

reply to post by WhatAliens


Not at all, but I rather believe an astronomer with a lot of experience saying their discoveries are Unidentified Flying Objects (emphasis on unidentified).
Than some ATS dude trying to convince me it's some kitesurfer playing with an RC helicopter at a chinese lantern party

I would just like to say that although the title of this thread would appear to be confrontational and geared towards a believers vs debunkers scenario, but that wasn't the intention. I just thought it would be appropriate to use the original title that was on the article in question. I'm sorry if people feel attacked or anything, really wasn't trying to do that. I feel that a prominent Chinese astronomer confirming that they have witnessed ufo's and recorded their movements etc is an important advancement for ufology, it only takes one to get the ball rolling in this department, and maybe others will follow his lead.

And to quickly address a lot of the personal attacks being thrown my way, they're pretty uncalled for and show that this issue is obviously a sensitive one for people skeptical of this evidence, that's fine, but try to contribute with a little class.

Can't we all just get along

I'm all for ET's, but my dad is a proffesional astronomer, One of Canada's best.
Me and him have discussed UFO's, and ET's extensively, and he still hasn't had a sighting.
So I disagree with the astronomer secrecy program? that sounds a little wierd.
But I watch the sky every night and sometimes I see pretty cool and un-explainable things.
But he's too busy using the telescope to notice I guess. He's taking pictures all the time.