Israeli police will not face trial over death of Palestinian girl

reply to post by gem_man


You haven't hear yet? Zionists are chosen people, you think they will get prosecuted for killing cockroaches? I'm not the one calling Palestinians cockroaches, Zionists are.

reply to post by gem_man


3D penalties and non 3d penalties ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS. Many think they have gotten away w/o being tagged, but havent let the evol cling to 3d its all they got left.

RIP to the sent child

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


What state was occupied?
Who attacked who?
There are Palestinian -only roads (so Jews wont be lynched), so what's your point ?
There is not a single settlement that sits on once a “Palestinian” village, despite what the Palestinian propagandists would like you to believe.
Before the second Intifada, there were large numbers of “Palestinians” who worked with or for Israelis, both in Gaza, Judea and Samaria and in Israel.
If anyone is to blame for unemployment or checkpoints, it's the Palestinians.

reply to post by gem_man


"witnesses say"

ok, real hard evidence there.

riiiiiiiight.

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant

Originally posted by gravitational

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

The PLO has laid claim to Palestine before 1988 and the Arab League recognized the Palestinian state. Israel declared that the PLO were beligerents.

The PLO was founded in 1964. Before the so called “occupied territories” . (1967)

Which only cements my point. Thankyou.

Actually, it is quite far from cementing your point. It actually turns to mush . . . something like oatmeal.

The PLO was founded on liberation.

Liberation from who? Jordan was still in control of the land until 1967.


It gets better . . .

Article 19: The establishment of Israel is fundamentally null and void, whatever time has elapsed ...

Article 15: [We call for] the liquidation of the Zionist presence in Palestine

Article 22: The liberation of Palestine will destroy the Zionist and imperialist presence and will contribute to the establishment of peace in the Middle East ...

The Covenant also denies the existence of the Jewish people as a nation and any ties that it might have to the Land of Israel [Article 20: "Nor do Jews constitute a single nation"]. It declares in Article 9 that "armed struggle is the only [emphasis added] way to liberate Palestine".

Ready for the kicker? Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.

Things that make you go hmmmmm

Edit: By the way. A good legal read.: In the Matter of the Jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court with regard to the
Declaration of the Palestinian Authority

Basically rehashes what I have said, but puts it more eloquently, and with greater thought and form than I possess.

reply to post by gravitational


Israel attacked Egypt, drawing Syria to attack Israel (Egypt and Syria had a military pact) and drawing Jordan in too fire artilery at Israel. Then Israel invaded both Syria and Jordan

Have you checked the conditions of the Palestinian only roads and the fact that many of them are often closed making travel difficult and long.

There is not a single settlement that sits on once a “Palestinian” village, despite what the Palestinian propagandists would like you to believe.

So now you are saying that no Palestinian homes have been demolished.
english.aljazeera.net...
Oh and here are homes being demolished for settlements.
Human Rights Watch: www.hrw.org...
In East Jerusalem: www.monstersandcritics.com...
Amnesty International: www.amnesty.org...
Here is a PDF report from Amnesty International on house demolishment: www.amnesty.org...
Oh and here are Refugees being injured from house demolishment: www.hrw.org...

Before the second Intifada, there were large numbers of “Palestinians” who worked with or for Israelis, both in Gaza, Judea and Samaria and in Israel. If anyone is to blame for unemployment or checkpoints, it's the Palestinians.

I suggest you look into the economics. Once one country- Israel- ensures that there can be no economic growth in another country- Palestine- through political and military policies -occupation of West Bank, imprisoment of Gaza- then the desperate occupied inhabitants are forced to work for their 'masters'. It dosen't take an economist to put 2+2 together to get 4.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


The charter was rescinded:

"The PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Charter which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Charter which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestine National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Charter."

meria.idc.ac.il...

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


No. That would be impossible, Palestine would have to be a member state of the UN requiring it to first be a state. What are we discussing here? The legality of the occupation? At the time (June 1967) Israel occupied Jordanian, Syrian and Egyptian territory. Now for the legality- I don't think I have bring up the UN charter, or resolution 242 and 338. You already know that the acquisition of territory through war is inadmisable. Now the determening factor- Security Council Resolution 1397. This calls for a two state resolution recalling resolution 242 and 338 meaning the Palestinian state is entitled to the West Bank and Gaza.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1397
March 12, 2002

The Security Council,

Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular resolutions 242 (1967) and 338 (1973),

Affirming a vision of a region where two States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders,

Expressing its grave concern at the continuation of the tragic and violent events that have taken place since September 2000, especially the recent attacks and the increased number of casualties,

Stressing the need for all concerned to ensure the safety of civilians,

Stressing also the need to respect the universally accepted norms of international humanitarian law,

Welcoming and encouraging the diplomatic efforts of special envoys from the United States of America, the Russian Federation, the European Union and the United Nations Special Coordinator and others to bring about a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East,

Welcoming the contribution of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah,

Demands immediate cessation of all acts of violence, including all acts of terror, provocation, incitement and destruction;

Calls upon the Israeli and Palestinian sides and their leaders to cooperate in the implementation of the Tenet work plan and Mitchell Report recommendations with the aim of resuming negotiations on a political settlement;

Expresses support for the efforts of the Secretary-General and others to assist the parties to halt the violence and to resume the peace process;

Decides to remain seized of the matter.

www.mfa.gov.il...

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


I know my history. Thanks

It was changed how many years after the '64 founding?

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


It was rescinded in 1993. Whats the point?

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


You missed the point.

You said

--The PLO has laid claim to Palestine before 1988--

Mv take

--that is all fine and dandy, but Jordan still retained ownership of the land, with Israel as the occupying force. If they wanted liberation, they needed to take it up with Jordan, since Jordan owned the land. So Jordan cut them loose (without first getting Israel out of the land), relinquishing ownership to Israel by default. This was in 1988.

The correct thing to have done was for Jordan and Israel to make amends over the land. Have the occupying force back out. Then Jordan release the land to the Palestinians. And I do believe that this was done on purpose.

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


It the point you are trying to make that there is no legality to a Palestinian state. I'll refer you to my previous post.


No. That would be impossible, Palestine would have to be a member state of the UN requiring it to first be a state. What are we discussing here? The legality of the occupation? At the time (June 1967) Israel occupied Jordanian, Syrian and Egyptian territory. Now for the legality- I don't think I have bring up the UN charter, or resolution 242 and 338. You already know that the acquisition of territory through war is inadmisable. Now the determening factor- Security Council Resolution 1397. This calls for a two state resolution recalling resolution 242 and 338 meaning the Palestinian state is entitled to the West Bank and Gaza.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

“Have you checked the conditions of the Palestinian only roads and the fact that many of them are often closed making travel difficult and long.”

I have. Have you ?

Again, “Palestinians” can only blame themselves for the hardship they encounter.
They would not be any this or that -only roads and there would not be a single freaking checkpoint if it wasn't for their terror activities against Israeli civilians.

Dude, don't distort and do not misquote me.

I didn't say homes were not destroyed. I said there is not a single settlement that sits on once a “Palestinian” village, no matter what the “Palestinian” propagandists would like you to believe.. Houses were indeed destroyed not for their land, but because they were used by terrorists as shelters or as launching pads for their cowardly attacks.
Many times illegal settlements (IE – not authorized by the Israeli government) were destroyed by Israel...”bulldozed” as many of you like to describe it. That doesn't fit with your claims of Israel wishing to expand on the expense of the Palestinians now does it?

This the evacuation of Amona settlement. Amona was destroyed because the Israeli supreme court concluded it was built on private “Palestinian” land. It was actually a little more complicated than that, but we'll leave it at that.
(BYW, the police used excessive force and brutality, and I would also be condemning them if it was the same situation with Arabs)

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

At the time (June 1967) Israel occupied Jordanian, Syrian and Egyptian territory...

Jordanian ??
That is entirely false.
Check again your sorces.

reply to post by gravitational

Again, “Palestinians” can only blame themselves for the hardship they encounter.
They would not be any this or that -only roads and there would not be a single freaking checkpoint if it wasn't for their terror activities against Israeli civilians.

Again.Palestinians have every right to defend their land from an invading force..

Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by gravitational

 

Again, “Palestinians” can only blame themselves for the hardship they encounter.
They would not be any this or that -only roads and there would not be a single freaking checkpoint if it wasn't for their terror activities against Israeli civilians.

Again.Palestinians have every right to defend their land from an invading force..

Go sing kumbaya with your buddies.

reply to post by gravitational

In my book, that's “liberation”

Hitler wanted liberation as well.


Come to think of it, do you know Germany was set up to fall? I believe the same is being done to Israel. Now you can defend your government who is in cahoots with the people making the money, or you could defend the regular people who have to die for the money to be made.

Quite simple really.

reply to post by gravitational

I have. Have you ?

Good, then you'd know the condition these roads are in a misreable.

They would not be any this or that -only roads and there would not be a single freaking checkpoint if it wasn't for their terror activities against Israeli civilians.

The way I see it, is just as America is exacerbating terrorism in Iraq, so is Israel in Palestine. There would be no excuse for terrorism if Israel did not occupy the West Bank, build settlements and imprison Gaza. The populations living standards would vastly improve as would the Palestinian economy modernizing Palestine and vastly reducing the number of terrorists. If a Palestinian state could be created it would ensure stronger state control of illegal terrorist activities (as there is in Egypt, Jordan ans Syria) reducing terrorism- especially if security is performed in accordance with and with the aid of the IDF (seeing the state would be demilitarized). Of course terrorism would take a long time to be fully eradicated and small, divided and weak factions of Islamic militant groups would remain- however if state control of the Palestinian state would be strengthened they would be severly reduced and would struggle to engage in terrorism. If Israel really cares about the safety of its people they would do somthing that is not simply superficial and cosmetic which likely radicalises Palestinian youth.

You said that there was not one single house demolished to build Palestinian settlements. Human Rights Watch says otherwise.
www.hrw.org...
So who do I believe. You, a person who does no sustain argument with evidence and has been caught lying on multiple occasions or Human Rights Watch a reputable Human Rights Organization recognized for its impartiality?

Jordanian ?? That is entirely false. Check again your sorces.

So who was in control of the West Bank prior to the June-1967 war. It was Jordan. Jeez for someone that constantly claims they visit Israel, the West Bank and Gaza- I would expect them to actually know a little of their own history.

reply to post by Zamini


My government ? You know MY government ?

reply to post by gravitational


Your government, the Israeli government. Irrelevant. You know what I'm talking about.