Muslims are taking over the West!!!

reply to post by ollncasino


No, I want to hear it in your words, tell me in your words how Muslims are taking over. I don't want to debate with a website, I'm debating you, and until now, all you have done is copy and paste other people's work without even understanding what they are talking about.

Even a kid is able to copy and paste material from other websites, all you need is the ability the differentiate between anti-Islamic websites, neutral and pro-Islamic websites.

Now try again, tell me how Muslims are taking over the West.

reply to post by ollncasino


A very comprehensive post indeed - kudos to you.
I refuted Several of the OP points and then asked him to comment - so far nothing apart from some garbage about halal.
The "apologists" who can't see what is happening - makes me wonder at what stage they will realise there is a problem.
Cries of bigotry are unfounded - the facts I presented are all plain and easy to understand - as are yours and several other posters.

Originally posted by confreak


Muslims are clearly invading the West, why else would they hide their faces?

^^^This. It makes perfect sense. That part made me laugh. Although I do not disagree with you, I don't exactly agree with you either. I can tolerate other people and religions, but not when they want special treatment. Other religions have been guilty of this in the past, but not on this scale in the recent past.

This whole sharia law thing is bullcrap, and this is a small part of why some Islamic countries are backward. People say it's because the US and other countries want to keep them dumb to raid their oil supplies, and that it has nothing to do with their ways. Ya right, lol.

They will never become fully modern, and have our quality of life in their Muslim countries, so they come here and to Europe, etc, and try to change things for their benefit. I say that is not tolerable, and it is a good thing we are not a true democracy here in the US, because if we were the majority would soon be in the favor of immigrants and we would all be screwed. I will stick with our Republic, although we could do away with corporatism and other unfair practices.

reply to post by confreak


Hey - how's about you answer my questions?
They are mostly my own words but with some external links.
Also you refer to the above posters external sites that are anti-Islam.
Well someone that is criticising Islam is "anti Islam" - but doesnt make their points any less valid.
Especially considering the quote from that site seemed to show a very well thought out and researched piece of Information - more than you have yet provided! All you do is offer some half baked sentences as to why Muslims aren't taking over - its not backed up with anything of substance.
However look up Muslims against crusades - and tell me what exactly is peace loving about this site and their intentions spelled out for all to see.

You seem devoid of any real understanding of the topic, cling to minor points like Halal once I showed flaws in your other points.

Thanks

The goal of all three Abrahamic religions is to rule the world... Rest easy though.... Their end is nigh....

reply to post by facchino

Muslims against crusades - and tell me what exactly is peace loving about this site and their intentions spelled out for all to see.

Is that the question you are talking about? Tell us, how is Muslims against Crusade taking over the West?

They are. Can't imply that they're necessarily ALL aiming to take us over and put us all in dhimmitude. But, factually, some are. Additionally, the Muslim Brotherhood has stated on paper that they want civilization jihad or stealth jihad where they plant people where they need to be for the big moment. Since radical clerics and radical organizations like the M.B. have such a big influence, the religion is particularly dangerous at this time. According to their hierarchy, the clerics can call for their own members to be killed (moderates) if they moderates don't comply with the radical clerics' orders. Perhaps, some day soon, the radicals will be removed from power and Islam can play more kindly with others.

I work for one of the giant monopoly corporations in this country... and our Information Technology (I.T.) team is almost all Muslim. They've taken over board rooms so they can adhere to their prayer times... and they take off big chunks of time to go to Mosque, especially on Fridays.

This corporation would be nothing without its I.T. and servers. If they really wanted to, they could shut the company down in a New York minute.

My peers at other large corporations have noted the same observation: the Muslims run IT.

You might think this could be a security risk. They know they're there. We need to know, too... and have backup plans.

Originally posted by confreak
What I'm pointing out is the irrational and illogical rage towards Muslims, and it is being amplified here in ATS with any chance available.

Are you an Islamophobe?

• Do you favour equal rights and treatment of men and women?

• Do you oppose stoning of women accused of adultery?

• Do you favour mandatory education of girls everywhere?

• Do you support complete freedom of expression and the press?

• Do you support the right of an individual to worship in her chosen religion?

• Do you oppose the wearing of burqas in public places, schools and courts?

• Do you oppose the death penalty for Muslims who convert to another religion?

• Do you oppose "honour killings"?

• Do you oppose discrimination against homosexuals?

• Do you oppose polygamy?

• Do you oppose child marriage?

• Do you oppose the quranic mandate to kill non Muslims and apostates?

reply to post by confreak


You don't need any of our words for it... the Muslim Brotherhood did us all the favor of explaining it in their own words... mostly evidence on file from the US vs. Holy Land Foundation Trial. I have personally verified facsimiles of the original documents from this trial (because I would much rather they weren't true, but they are). Here's just a tiny iceberg summation of their plan, as written by the Muslim Brotherhood leadership.

bigpeace.com...

Here are the phases in short form. If you read the seized documents, you'll see this just a summation:

“Phase One: Phase of discreet and secret establishment of leadership.

“Phase Two: Phase of gradual appearance on the public scene and exercising and utilizing various public activities (It greatly succeeded in implementing this stage). It also succeeded in achieving a great deal of its important goals, such as infiltrating various sectors of the Government. Gaining religious institutions and embracing senior scholars. Gaining public support and sympathy. Establishing a shadow government (secret) within the Government.

“Phase Three: Escalation phase, prior to conflict and confrontation with the rulers, through utilizing mass media. Currently in progress.

“Phase Four: Open public confrontation with the Government through exercising the political pressure approach. It is aggressively implementing the above-mentioned approach. Training on the use of weapons domestically and overseas in anticipation of zero-hour. It has noticeable activities in this regard.

“Phase Five: Seizing power to establish their Islamic Nation under which all parties and Islamic groups are united.”


If you want a much deeper level of information, the next step is to download and read this report:
familysecuritymatters.org...

reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

(A) I'm not Catholic, but I used him as a counter symbol to the Imans, but the last time I checked, the Pope did NOT condone beheadings and rape. Your couterpoint is defeated.

So, since the Pope does not come out and say "Hey, it's ok to molest children", he is not to be held accountable for the actions he has taken in covering up these events for generations? The difference between these Catholic priests and the "radical Muslims" you speak of is that the preists live next door! Your counterpoint...irrelevant and disingenious!

(B) Unless you are lacking a search engine, you will find NUMEROUS sites displaying these videos. Many of the sites pro-Islam. I'm not going to waste my time doing your homework.

I have been active on this subject for many years. I have looked at many videos and many, many websites that were supposed to show the "real truth" about Muslims and Islam. Almost all of them are directly tied to either a rival religion or political agenda. I have not seen one website, "pro-Islam" or otherwise that "condones" the violence that you speak of. I've done my homework, but if you want us to believe you outrageous claims than the burden of proof is on you! I cannot disprove a negative.

(C) Most of the videos showed hundreds of people present for the execution. NEVER did ONE SINGLE PERSON raise his hand or voice in objection to the callous beheadings or stonings! NOT ONE!

I call BS! Prove it for us on ATS with list of UNEDITED videos showing exactly what you describe. I will watch every one in the interest of fairness.
Also, prove that the violence was done because Sharia Law mandated the violence! It could be local extremists, like rednecks lynching a black man, or it could be the culture of that local government that allows it. But we are talking Sharia Law, so equate the two for us. Once again, the burden of proof is on you because you are making these claims.

D) It is not I who has displayed ignorance of Sharia law today. And..again...if you do not think that the majority of Muslims worldwide support Sharia Law, then you are ignorant of the truth. Educate yourself. Go take a poll if you dont trust all the existing polls. But, as they say, ignorance is bliss. (ie. better to have a false sense of safety than to know the truth) BETTER YET: Go stand outside of a mosque and ask all who exit if they support Sharia Law worldwide!

You are correct. Most Muslims do support Sharia Law. Kind of like how many Christians and Jews support Ecclesiastical law in the American landscape. There is really no difference. They are both faith-based ways to set forth rules of arbitration when two parties/entities agree to abide by a Muslim-based code of conduct! Sharia Law IS NOT a form of government, allthough you would blame Sharia for the misdealings of governments.

Also, here is a little known fact that you may not know: YOU HAVE TO BE MUSLIM TO EVEN BE UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF SHARIA LAW! If you are not Muslim, you cannot and will not be bound by it!

(E) Again, I've done MY homework. You do your own. Surely you have a reasonably decent search engine. Of course you do...maybe you just have no stomach for the truth, hmm?

You do realize that it takes a lot of backbone to be a voice of opposition in a country where a majority of every man, woman and child quivers with fear whenever the words Muslim, Islam and Sharia are spoken? I say and believe things that put me in the minority and I deal with people like you everyday, both online and in real life. So don't you for a second think I don't have the stomache to deal with you.

On that note, you are the one making outrageous claims, and the burden of proof is on you. Show me the goods Son! Otherwise you are trying to blow smoke up my butt because you are either a scared sissy boy afraid of another religion or you are perpetuating lies for political agenda! So let's see it!

I can't believe this, this is just a bunch of hate on both sides. On one side, you have the people that believe in Islam and their own beliefs as well as saying, "We own and rule everything!" and on the other side, you have us, the average american citizen. We say, " We hate them because they are ruling over everything!" I'm not saying it, because it's not worth it.

You want to take away their power? Don't give it to them, ignore them, they only seek to separate other religions, which isn't right.

Looks like what we have here is who's religion is better than the other. But in reality, it's all the same Bullsh*t. Its ancient mythology people take literally or as factual. But it's Mythology.

God (in all spiritual or religious forms) is not real.

Muslims are taking over the West....

...because they are Ninja!

People need to free themselves from the restrictions and hate ALL religions indoctrinate into our cultures.

Once religions are gone or at least not used as a crutch for wars and restrictions on food/trade, then we could possibly move toward an everlasting peace. Sure there will always be the people who want total control over others, but they could more easily be weeded out without a religion backing their cause.

I actually agree with this.I don't know how many stores I've been in that are Muslim owned.

They come over and have lots of kids on purpose!This is an actual war tactic!This is also why there should be a population control act.Only so many people allowed to live in any country.And maybe only the people who can afford kids should have one!And limit couples to having only 2 kids,especially in the poor countries.

reply to post by twoandthree


No, you tell us how they are taking over the West, what you posted was someone else's writing, I want you to tell us. This is a common trend, people telling us what he said she said. What do you say? How are they taking over the West. Tell me in your own words.

Originally posted by confreak
Even a kid is able to copy and paste material from other websites, all you need is the ability the differentiate between anti-Islamic websites, neutral and pro-Islamic websites.

Now try again, tell me how Muslims are taking over the West.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Qu’ran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

—Omar Ahmed CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) Founding Chairman

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Could you explain to me by what the Chairman of the Council for American Islamic Relations meant when he said he wants Islam to be dominant in the USA and the only accepted religion on earth?

Oh by the way, the source is the Huffington Post. I hope that isn't too anti-Islamic for you

I would appreciate a straight answer rather than your usual evasion.

reply to post by twoandthree


You actually used a Breitbart link to show facts!

In the words of my 12yr old son.....epic fail! This is politics and agenda, not fact.

On your second link, please scroll down to the last page (177) and read..... this is just a rehash of the old Team B report. In other words, they took out Russia and inserted Sharia/Muslim.

Come on guys....you don't actually buy this garbage do you?

reply to post by ollncasino


I'm still very surprised that you can't even write in your own words how Muslims are taking over the West. Do you seriously want me to take you seriously, seriously?

Tell us, how are they taking over the West. Surely they are not taking over the West by talking?

Originally posted by GodIsPissed
I actually agree with this.I don't know how many stores I've been in that are Muslim owned.

They come over and have lots of kids on purpose!This is an actual war tactic!This is also why there should be a population control act.Only so many people allowed to live in any country.And maybe only the people who can afford kids should have one!And limit couples to having only 2 kids,especially in the poor countries.

So with that thinking what are you going to do with the extra millions/billion people you will need to move out of China/India?

Only place this thinking leads to is mass genocide, which TPTB would enjoy, but are you personally willing to murder your fellow man, gas them? Your own neighbors?

I sure am not, and I will do everything in my limited RL powers to not allow such an atrocity happen to my fellow human beings. All this hate needs to stop, on all sides!

On another note, I do agree people should get 1.5 Child credits per married couple. If you do not want kids you can sell your credits to another couple. IF you want more you just purchase from others. This gives aa appropiate rate of growth for the human race. But this opens up all kinds of other human rights crap people will not want to deal with.

I remember when I was a child in the 70s, we had roughly a dozen families with 9(my family was one) or more children in a 4 square block area. One family had 22 children. Guess what, we were all White Irish Catholics.

A link to verified facts is a link to verified facts. I linked to it and quoted it because I know from my own EXTENSIVE research that these are true.

Your reference to page 177 is a load of baloney.

I prefer facts over arguing for arguing sakes, which is all about someone's emotions and not the facts. I'll leave you to your devices.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by twoandthree

 

You actually used a Breitbart link to show facts!

In the words of my 12yr old son.....epic fail! This is politics and agenda, not fact.

On your second link, please scroll down to the last page (177) and read..... this is just a rehash of the old Team B report. In other words, they took out Russia and inserted Sharia/Muslim.

Come on guys....you don't actually buy this garbage do you?