UK Gets First "Sharia Controlled Zone".

reply to post by sean_uk


Ow here we go, prison numbers fear mongering.

I wonder where else in history we can find an example of people using these things as proof for something that is not there. You guys are see through, really.

reply to post by ALOSTSOUL

Would you kindly enlighten me on this, I tried to a google search but got nothing. I am geniunely interested.

As I said, you have to do a lot of reading still. In a nutshell it's this:

Oil found in Iran, early 1900s. Britain wants control of Iranian oil. Thinking that Iranians are stupid(something the West often thought and thinks when dealing with foreign nations) they try to trick the government. Doesn't work, so they plan a coupe. Coupe works and now they have their puppets in the Iranian regime selling them the oil. A prominent person named Rafsanjani in Iran has his kids driving around in Lamborghini's he pays for from the revenues he strikes up as puppet for the West.

And if you didn't know that little fact, did you know that it's not the first time Britain is in Afghanistan? Britain has set up pro-British kings in Afghanistan in the 19th century. Britain even invaded Afghanistan to do this. As they say, if you don't learn from history you're bound to repeat the mistakes of the past. How many British average people were sent to their deaths as part of the military back in the 19th century just because the British crown wanted to have control in that area? How many must die now? Wake up, deny ignorance.

reply to post by stumason


No response? Does that mean you were AWARE of what I just said to you in the last post on the last page?

Because I don't believe that one bit.

reply to post by Zamini


Busy at work mate. I have seen your update with regards to Iran and do wish to reply, but lack the time to give it justice. I do actually have a response formulating and can address your points quite easily with regards to Iran, Afghan and the wider geo-political picture of the 19th and early 20th century which you are glossing over to prove a point.

That said, I do think it is derailing the topic at hand though. If you wish to start a thread about it sepcifically, I would be happy to debate you on it.

reply to post by stumason

I do actually have a response formulating and can address your points quite easily with regards to Iran, Afghan and the wider geo-political picture of the 19th and early 20th century which you are glossing over to prove a point.

Brilliant, you are bringing in the term geopolitics. I hope you actually understand what the hell that is, which I do not believe you do otherwise you would know it is a different word for colonialist strategies :-)

Ignorance denied.

reply to post by stumason


I suppose you cannot correct or tweak the truth. Did you finally realize something ?

Originally posted by SOLIDBLADE
The British Army and the U.S need to stop the flow of Hate and Vile, That is islam. I have been brought up in basically a muslim area if not then, it definatley is now and in my unbiased view I and many many others hate them
As much as people that like them wish to be against our view that is your DEMOCRATIC view. ThaT you would not get in the backward countries of many Asian and African countries. I am only posting what me and many of my fellow British public feel. We as a nation are not Racist, but we are having the micky taking out of us now.

Thank you

People come to the UK to gain freedom from those ridiculous maniacs, they don't come here to institute the same things they wanted to escape. The idea that they do want ridiculous and draconian rule is a myth perpetrated by the tabloid press, which many idiot Brits swallow.
Granted, there are a few crazy guys who want dominance over others, and they are the ones vocal about Sharia Law. They would be nothing in an Islamic nation and they know it, so they see that they have a chance to actually be something here by pushing for it.

The only evidence we need to see that this ill-informed "fear" is nothing but a tabloid BS story (being perpetuated by the Nazi, Xenophobic, EDL, BNP) is that Islam4UK collapsed on its ass when it tried to gather the Islamic community together to call for it. No one showed but for the couple of Taliban-style extremist nobodies who organized it. The Islamic community DOES NOT WANT Sharia Law in the UK any more than the most right-wing, Mail reading, football going, beer drinking transit van driver does!

When did you last see a mass protest in the UK by Islamic extremists?
When did you last see a mass protest in the UK by right-wing, white, football hooligans?

I rest my case.

reply to post by Zamini


iran did hook up with the germans, right?

reply to post by fooks


The Shah of Iran actually took a stance that was not friendly to Nazi Germany.

This upset Germany. Because Germany wanted very much the Iranian support that came with plenty resources.
This want that Germany had made it so that Britain and Russia invaded Iran just to make sure there was no support from Iran to Germany, and to keep the resources for themselves of course.

So when Iran did not supply to the Germans, who did?

Late president George W. Bush's grandfather. But I suppose you like to ignore the support Nazi Germany received from the catholic church, bank of England, Stalin, prominent American businessmen(who are now in charge of America), etc. etc.

See, this is why I ignore you most of the times, because you are an ignorant fool.

Besides, I'm still curious to Stumason's reply. Don't think I'll get one though.

reply to post by Zamini

Besides, I'm still curious to Stumason's reply. Don't think I'll get one though

I'm sure stu has his reasons and I know he's more than capable of looking after himself, I wouldn't dream of doing so in his stead.....but kettle and pot most definately springs to mind.....nearly choked on my coffee when I read that and I've got to be careful nowadays with the encroachment of middle age and dodgy prostate etc, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep it in.

reply to post by detachedindividual


The legal framework for non EU immigration into the UK means that claiming asylum is often the only way to legally enter the country. What this means is that far too many of those you claim are here to escape draconian governments in their country of origin are merely utilising the system as it stands and are in fact either economic migrants or in the case of Islamic immigrants, part of the silent invasion.

Before you assume that I must be some brainwashed idiot who believes some political agenda of the right-wing press, I must advise you that I have gained my insight from working in immigration services and within other aspects of the British social welfare system.

Your continued insults against the British people because we are not the dumb-asses many want us to be will in no way stop the fact that British people are no longer prepared to be silenced under the kosh of political correctness.

reply to post by teapot

are in fact either economic migrants or in the case of Islamic immigrants, part of the silent invasion.

So you have either economic migrants or Islamic immigrants who are in actuality invading your country to take it over. How informed of you to say that, nobody will question your integrity now Not paranoid at all. no...

I hope you smelled the sarcasm.

Before you assume that I must be some brainwashed idiot who believes some political agenda of the right-wing press, I must advise you that I have gained my insight from working in immigration services and within other aspects of the British social welfare system.

From my experience, those working in immigration services are ignorant as hell. Like, really really stupid people.
Ignorant of cultures, filling blanks with their own VERY limited life experience. Looking down at those who they are to help, drawing conclusions where non are to be drawn and I could go on for days.

Your continued insults against the British people because we are not the dumb-asses many want us to be will in no way stop the fact that British people are no longer prepared to be silenced under the kosh of political correctness.

That's hogwash of the highest order. Say, what is your opinion on knife crime? Is that not a greater danger to the UK at this moment than crazy nut job priests and imams? Lovely how you try and hide behind the "denying political correctness" bull#.

reply to post by Freeborn

I'm sure stu has his reasons and I know he's more than capable of looking after himself, I wouldn't dream of doing so in his stead

What's this?

.....but kettle and pot most definately springs to mind.....

Really? So denying the involvement and motive of the British government in destroying the stability of Iran is...ow wait, you were JUST going for the ad hominem and not posting anything of actual value.

nearly choked on my coffee when I read that

It's a good thing you did not then.

and I've got to be careful nowadays with the encroachment of middle age and dodgy prostate etc, it's becoming increasingly difficult to keep it in.

To keep what in? That colonialist apologist inside of you?

reply to post by Zamini

...ow wait, you were JUST going for the ad hominem and not posting anything of actual value.

Please....explain where the ad hominem attack was....and don't you think that's a bit much coming from you?
Kettle and pot springs to mind again.

And if you failed to understand the point of my last post, as seems to be the case, all you have to do is ask for clarification and I'll explain in as clear and transparent English as possible.

reply to post by Zamini


Yeah, that is one way of describing the history, proving that the victors do not write all of the history. Of course yours is an extremely biased version of history that ignores basic, major facts. Of course, you provide no links, and only a single name to back up your slanted view.

One of the things that drew me into these debates is this nasty propaganda Muslim scholars like to put out.

Here is the real story, In the 19th century, the area now known as Iran was very poor, controlled by a monarch, and ran by very ruthless people. Slavery was widely practiced, and there were no civil rights, and no opportunities for the poor, except through complete servitude to the wealthy.

Here is a link, and a quote that sums it up well.

users.sedona.net...

Unlike most Middle Eastern rulers, he was also a constitutional monarch with no desire to be absolute. However, surrounded by ambitious and unprincipled courtiers, he grew up unable to believe in himself or the future of his dynasty. Thus he failed to inspire the respect necessary for effective government in Persia.

Here is another link for those interested.

www.qajarpages.org...

Due to technological developments by the west, crude oil became a very valuable commodity. Luckily for the people of Iran, and the Middle East, they had massive reserves of this crude under their ground. Western nations like Britain discovered and developed this natural resource, which brought enormous wealth to the region.

Unfortunately, the nations of the Middle East failed to develop any real industry, technology, or means of sustaining the wealth brought to their nations by the great amount of crude that was found under their soil. Of course, this failure of the nations of the middle east was blamed on the nations that found and developed their resources for them.

Even more unfortunate is that a great deal of that oil wealth was spent to spread Islam around the globe, set up clandestine operations in foreign nations in order to take over those countries and install Sharia law.

Mostly what Britain did in the middle east at the turn of twentieth century was end Muslim aggression, and practice of slavery. A fact that our schools need to start teaching once again.

At the current day, Islam is attempting to continue its conquest of the world, although this time on the sly. This is what Britain is dealing with now.

What we in the west are waking up to realize, is that giving peace a chance has lead to our enemies moving in next door, and teaching their sons it is ok to rape our daughters.

Sadly, this might be the death knell for multiculturalism, at least for current times. The Pendulum has already started to swing back the other way, and it is not going to stop at a reasonable point in the middle, never does.

You should read how Persians tell the story of the Muslim invasion of Persia.

iranpoliticsclub.net...

Slavery was basically non-existent in Persian Empire before Islam. Persians, unlike Romans, Egyptians, Greeks and many others, had never openly practiced slavery. As a matter of fact Persians were anti slavery and the best example was freedom of 42,000 Jews from slavery of Babylon by Cyrus The Great. There were differences in social classes in Iran before Islam, but that was the norm of the world back then! However, there were no slavery practiced in Persian Empire before Islam.

When Islam came to Persia, slavery came along with it. Arabs took many Persians as slaves, basically young boys and girls. Young girls were forced to become concubines and young boys were forced to become Boy Toys. Strong and bigger boys had become slave labor for Muslim. Persian women were sent by tens of thousands to Arabian Peninsula, the largest slave shipment at one time was 40,000 Persians shipped to Arabia. Basically Iranians became third rate citizens.

reply to post by Zamini


I was not 'there' to help anyone. I was there to stop and prosecute fraud, +£500k of benefit fraud perpetrated by only a hundred or so people, all bar one, Muslims. All in just one local authority area and that was just my caseload!

Your insults reveal your fraudulent trolling of any Thread or post that challenges Islamic values, even as you claim adherence to atheism.

Nut job priests in the UK? Please provide some evidence of this! UK priests tend to be very mild mannered and well reasoned.

reply to post by teapot


Both you and the poster before you assume I'm defending Islam.(to the other poster, I urge to read the sources he posts before he posts them as it seems he does not read them, which is weird on the internet).

That alone is enough for me to ignore any and everything you say.

You cannot discern therefore, there is no use for me to discuss things with you.

And teapot, you reveal your own intentions by saying they were all Muslim. As if that had a thing to do with why they stole things. I thought a tenet was that stealing is bad...but hey, just like most religious people, they do not have faith anyways.

reply to post by teapot

Nut job priests in the UK? Please provide some evidence of this! UK priests tend to be very mild mannered and well reasoned.

Greaaattt...

more superiority complexes anyone?

reply to post by detachedindividual


so then it is the whipped cream, but not wanting the whole cake.

How complete is Islam without the sharia?
Why are there sharia courts in england while it already has english laws?

I supose they want to f*ck before or outside their marriage, be able to drink alcohol and so on?

If they wanted to escape it, why holding on to that religion?

reply to post by Zamini


What a load of bs, my first two sources are, if anything, kind to the history of Iran, and not biased at all.

I prevent facts, with links backing up said facts, while you present a lot of made up garbage and personal opinion as history.

After presenting such a biased view of history, for you to pretend you are neutral on the subject is a joke at best.

Keep fanning the flames.