Clarification on Time and What Creates it

reply to post by PhysicsAdept


I found the concept of time in that video to be quite interesting, if we travel back in time a fork of universes is created. Maybe we all have our own time universe that's individual and thats what divides our perception of time from one person to the next as applied to one person experiencing a slow passage whilst someone else experiences it as a fast passage.
The other thought I had was maybe we have our own universe, I mean our world that we can observe can only go as far as we can see, hear, etc and everyones universes (or worlds) mingle together as we come into contact with each other.
Food for thought I suppose. Cheers

reply to post by Rellix


I believe another excepted version of time and dimensionality goes a little something like this: Basically in the universe there are near infinite objects that ever existed, and each object has a set of near infinite choices of outcomes in a given instant in time. With each action there are an almost infinite near reactions, that have near infinite outcomes of their own. Now, this "law" (I don't know what to call it) has applied for every object that has ever existed, does apply to every object existing, and will apply for every object that will exist. Now, this means an almost infinite parallel universes are being created every instant in time, and in each of them the same is happening to an almost infinite extent. I use the term almost, because it is very realistic that there hasn't been infinite parallel universes created yet, otherwise there would be no present. (infinity is defined by the largest number, or everything. If infinity already exists, then what is now?)

reply to post by PhysicsAdept


That's something I've wondered about for a while now, it sums up some of my understanding of time and the now. That is that time (or now) is splitting infinitely but our choices or thoughts create the stream that we follow.
Something else that I have thought of are as follows, I'm no physicist by a long shot so please bear with me.
1: String theory suggests that we are in a constant state of vibration but from what information I have gathered whether credible or not is that the body has different vibrations/frequencies and can't vibrate at the same frequency as a whole.
2: Raising vibration (New age thinking) in a positive sense can help you through to the positive universes that you have created. Through negative thinking and actions you are entering the negative universes that you have created.
3: This is just an observation of my own and that is that infinity is a cyclic phenomena as time is in a sense repeating on a second to second, day to day, week to week, year to year, etc. I mean we have a constant stream of time and that's why events don't repeat as we have free will which is a universal law that prevents such things as Groundhog day examples. I see people performing cyclic tasks such as waking in the morning, having breakfast and going to work, etc Habits are formed and are repeated constantly. We seem to follow a cyclic existence, even the solar system is in a state of circular motion to a degree. What holds it all together as a reality is maybe gravity. The time differences experienced in space are definately different to what's shown on earth in a time sense. Perhaps it's because the further away from the gravity source we travel the greater the variation in time. It would be awesome to see what happens to time the further away from earth such as Pluto what the difference is in relation to earths gravity and maybe once outside the solar system with reference to the suns gravity and then eventually (one day) outside of the galaxy in relation to the supposed black hole gravity. What would happen to time and how we experience it as a personal observation as well as the worldy level.
4: If we can vibrate on a higher level does time react or distort and speculating we can vibrate (very new age) to the frequency of light can we slow down or nearly stop time, as a personal experience only of course.

There are a great deal of new age theories out there that can have you thinking about being a better person and creating your own positively charged reality, it would be good to explore these on a time related and experience related aspect. I wouldn't say I believe these theories but some of them I have experienced on a personal level and would like to know how this stuff is thought of in scientific terms.

Thanks for your time.

Originally posted by PhysicsAdeptEinstein helped show us that everything is relative. He wanted people to realize that what you think about something changes as its surrounding environment changes. A classic mind experiment created by Einstein can demonstrate this. Imagine riding a roller coaster while looking at a non-digital wristwatch. As your speed increases, your perception of how fast the second hand is moving changes. You should be seeing the second hand go much slower than a bystander, who, also looking at your watch as you maintain a high velocity, sees the watch as going much faster as the one on their arm. This is due to relativity, a key part in time. The faster the individual object is, the slower everything else is in comparison, including time. Does this change actual time, or only time’s perception?

Actually you should be seeing the second hand going at a constant rate. As time changes, your perception of time changes, and everything stays exactly the same locally. You can only spot the relativity of time by observing the situation as an outsider, or as in your example as the bystander watching you speed by. On top of this the bystander would actually see your watch going SLOWER if you are speeding by, since time slows down when velocity increases.

When you are absolutely staying still relative to everything else, you are actually moving forward in time with the maximum velocity possible. When you are moving at the maximum speed/velocity possible (speed of light) you are standing still in time.

My theory is that time&space velocities are reciprocal components of the same fundamental velocity. With one component being the angular velocity (rotation/time), and the other one being the linear velocity (movement/space).

Originally posted by varikonniemi

Originally posted by PhysicsAdeptEinstein helped show us that everything is relative. He wanted people to realize that what you think about something changes as its surrounding environment changes. A classic mind experiment created by Einstein can demonstrate this. Imagine riding a roller coaster while looking at a non-digital wristwatch. As your speed increases, your perception of how fast the second hand is moving changes. You should be seeing the second hand go much slower than a bystander, who, also looking at your watch as you maintain a high velocity, sees the watch as going much faster as the one on their arm. This is due to relativity, a key part in time. The faster the individual object is, the slower everything else is in comparison, including time. Does this change actual time, or only time’s perception?

Actually you should be seeing the second hand going at a constant rate. As time changes, your perception of time changes, and everything stays exactly the same locally. You can only spot the relativity of time by observing the situation as an outsider, or as in your example as the bystander watching you speed by. On top of this the bystander would actually see your watch going SLOWER if you are speeding by, since time slows down when velocity increases.

When you are absolutely staying still relative to everything else, you are actually moving forward in time with the maximum velocity possible. When you are moving at the maximum speed/velocity possible (speed of light) you are standing still in time.

My theory is that time&space velocities are reciprocal components of the same fundamental velocity. With one component being the angular velocity (rotation/time), and the other one being the linear velocity (movement/space).

edit on 21-7-2011 by varikonniemi because: (no reason given)

Okay, so you do realize that none of this is proven or even provable - right?

What Einstein was doing was speculating on taking his theories and exploring the possible ramifications. He never really asserted any of this to be proven. Time itself is immutable. It's established by the Unit Rate of Change (URC) within a given full contextual environment (or Reality). One holon's momentary velocity within that Reality has no power to actually affect the URC's stability within the entire Reality itself. The suggestion that such an impact is even possible is to ignore the fact that photons travel at the speed of light. Photons are particles, and the exist as physical matter. And yet, they don't stop Time as they expend lightyears of time getting from point A to point B. So much for stopping time when they reach the speed of light.

reply to post by NorEaster



Einstien was speculating.
However, it is no different than believing that protons of light are particles/matter, this too is only a theory that has not been proven.

Originally posted by kacou
reply to post by NorEaster

 

I couldn't resist telling you about some scientist today and not in ancient time, that have a very interesting opinion about the subject of Soul.
I will not enter a debate of yes and no, I just like to know what is it that make you so sure of been sure?
I wish I was you ....only certainty in my mind and thought !
Great day to you.

Hi

I realize that the subject of the soul has people who believe and dismiss it within all disciplines - theological and scientific. That's not a surprise.

My understanding of the nature of reality, and its impact on the plausibility of a multi-personality soul, is based on the logical parameters of Identity as the foundational survival imperative expression that it is. If Identity is not established and rigidly maintained, then existence itself is surrendered by that which has failed to establish and maintain that Identity. The concept of the soul suggests a pre-existence before Identity (personality) is established by the human being, and (in the case of reincarnation) multiple exchanges of one personality for the next, with varying percentages of the personality whole being discarded with each exchange - even before the new personality additions taint the established Identity percentage that's been preserved by the soul itself.

In each version of this soul notion, the Identity that was established is destroyed, and replaced as if Identity were nothing more than a suit of clothes. As the existential survival imperative that it is, Identity can't be dismissed in this manner. It's a primordial requirement, and as such, it trumps all other aspects of the existent something. It's literally the definition of that existent something. The soul concept absolutely violates that very simple and stark requirement, and so it can't be true.

reply to post by NorEaster


..Hi,
Nice of you to have answer with more then just one line.
If I may bring an analogy in to the matter in hand which is the concept of soul.
Your understanding of how the soul may have to be in order to survive the so called reincarnation is poetically describe as a tree and the leafs of it.
A tree is for ever changing and growing like any thing a live, a tree has leafs which born and grow, experience wind, sun and rain...and then they die. The year after other leafs born and die, the cycle goes on until the tree finishes it's own cycle.
This is the nature of tree without consciousness.
The tree could be the soul, the leafs could be all the personality that one human have as a live.
This analogy is not to convince you, not at all....I know for a fact that people get the truth when it comes from inside and not from outside...this analogy is to illustrate the possibility....yes the possibility is there, and for the possibility to be real then you just have to chose it with all truthness in your heart

reply to post by Rellix


Interesting thoughts thank you for your time

As for the frequency thing, I'd like to briefly tell a bit about what I know in relation to that subject. When you are talking about vibrations in the body, you may be referring to something called a "Fundamental Frequency" I think. This is when you reach a "perfect" frequency that allows sound to pass really easily through a specific medium. This, however is dangerous. A good example is when you are talking about breaking glass with your voice. You reach its fundamental frequency and the sound passes through in a way that it causes odd shifts in how the glass can interpret energy and it breaks over its own momentum. So I'm not positive if this is what you are talking about or not, but I do know that it is very difficult to find a human's fundamental frequency because of everything that is contained in our body. Because everything in our body is different shapes and sizes and densities, etc. not everything in our body should have the same fundamental frequency. The last thing I'd like to mention is that regardless of how much you vibrate a sound wave and shorten its wavelength, or speed it up, it will never become light.Sound waves are mechanical longitudinal waves, while light waves are electromagnetic and transverse.

Hope we can continue conversations, thanks for the contribution

reply to post by varikonniemi


Interesting. I now see my faulty logic, thank you! I suppose I should clarify, and may end up going back to edit that to avoid the confusion/anti-logic.

reply to post by NorEaster


Very truthful in what you are saying, however that post was important, because though it is speculation, there was fault in what I said. Though it's not truth, I would prefer not to have a misleading theory haha.

time is a very interesting thing to think on. but it only seems complicated because our minds are already complicated.
you can ask your self endless questions, but don't confuse knowing with knowledge.
time isn't the only infinitely confusing subject. i like to think of the universe as five infinites...
time, space, temperature, knowledge, and truth

time affects everything and nothing. we move within it just like space. you can choose to go this way or that within that space, but the space itself never changes. we can build walls and buildings, but the space it occupies will never be more or less, only what you choose to perceive it as. temperature can be manipulated either way, with no limits. all knowledge in the universe is already there, waiting to be discovered, and rediscovered. truth is what is, was and always will be. everything is a paradox, that is all you need to know.

as far as time travel goes, it would not be worth pursuing even if it were possible.
but i don't think it is considering that nature moves in a spiral, not a loop.

it makes me glad to see poeple's minds actually working though, it's like a breath of fresh air.
and thanks for giving me some new things to think about, you have some really interesting points going on.

Is time not just a creation of our imagination to put events into logical sequences? In reality, time does not exist outside of the the human experience. We say it does, yet that is just because our entire lives are based off the concept of time. We cannot imagine a reality where time is non existent, for our creation and action and lives are based off time. What is a day? Or a month? Or a year? Yes, the seasons would continue and the world would keep spinning with the extinction of humanity, yet the concept of time would perish with us. So whos to say its not just all in our head? A minute is not a minute without us saying so, if we were not here than a minute would not be a measure of time, in theory it would not even exist.
So many paradoxes. Hard to keep your mind straight with all this digging we are doing.

reply to post by ka119


I totally agree, time is a creation of man as an idea. Every 'thing', every concept is imagination. Without time there can be no space so solid 3D 'things' can not really exist, they only appear to.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Exactly. They are all manifestations of our imagination. Nothing truly exists, yet it all does, because we make it so. Our mind is the most powerful tool there is, we have shaped all we know as "reality" based on how we see fit, including the creation of time.

Time in the sense of awareness of time requires a lapse in awareness, this lapse in awareness forms a specific "interval zone" thus we are constantly forgetting and re-remembering ourselves, the distance between each cycle is what we experience as time.

reply to post by SystemResistor


Im not following that, constantly forgetting ourselves? How so?

reply to post by Rellix

If you are seeking an understanding of time that would enable you to have more control over it, then the theories of it that are tied to perception and consciousness are very important.

If you just want to be able to predict the future, then you can study the math of probability, and if you have enough data you can make pretty good predictions.

I subscribe to the theory that time is just an idea. Specifically, it is the idea we use to explain why the things around us persist without any apparent input from us. We have been so successful in separating our own complicity in creating that which we perceive, that the theory that we have nothing to do with creating it, or in fact were created as a part of it, is extremely convincing. For all practical purposes, we can assume that time exists as a dimension of existence and that we can travel through it like we travel through space.

However, experiments have been done that demonstrate that this is not the case. The experiments suggest that a being creates persistence by setting up an automaticity and then hiding it from himself. If the decision to create the automaticity can be located, the persistent condition disappears. So persistence, and thus time, seems to be a self-created illusion. We enter this universe by agreeing to its mechanisms of persistence. And these mechanisms are the subject of both physics and the various energy studies that are not currently seen as a part of physics (Merkaba and all that). In the absence of all automaticities, persistence can only be achieved by a constant re-creation of the perception. An automaticity puts this constant re-creation on automatic and hides it from its creator. A neat trick! Then the creator of a perception can approach it as if it were something separate, that he has nothing to do with. A little fib to make life more interesting.

Chance and intuition are other elements of this same basic game.

reply to post by ka119


If you have no memory, then you have no perception of time, I mean, absolutley no memory, not even a nanosecond.

Thus, we "cycle" we are aware for a specific bracket ---- and then we are in a state of unawareness where we retrace our last memory bracket ___ and this "frequency" defines our time/space "bandwidth".

For regular perception, the "refresh rate" is too fast to really detect and what we see is of a high resolution, however, you can see that there is a specific "rate" of time, for example, when you wave your hand in front of you, you see many hands because your eyes will only perceive at a specific time interval - if you were able to change that time interval, then you could change your wavelength and then observe your hand moving in slow motion, and you perspective of time will create a different realm of perception.

Basically, at a specific wavelength, we no longer actually are "in phase" with our reality, that is a complex interplay with the sun, the planet, and our genetic hardwiring.

There are also "alternate phase" realities, where, the peaks and troughs i.e. ____-----____-----____ are opposite, and an exactly diametrically opposed phase would be a geometrically opposed dimension that we would be the most blind to, and those that approach our phase would appear as being "ghosts" - and in addition, there are differing wavelengths and wave-spectrums for each wave orientation.

reply to post by SystemResistor


Yes, time and space only exist in our imagination. We also only appear to exist. Appear and disappear, appear and disappear. We appear at the same time as illusionary 'things' and disappear at the same time 'things' disappear. We only 'know' we exist when we are aware of the appearing 'things', we can not be aware of our awareness when there are no apparent 'things'
When we are in deep sleep we are not aware of 'things', so we do not know of our existance.
Existance of 'things' is secondary and illusionary. Even the existance of ourselves is illusionary.
What is it though that is aware of all this?