Clarification on Time and What Creates it

Time is a measure of the progression toward entropy in a system.

Time doesn't exactly fall into the science/physics category it kinda falls into the spiritual/metaphysical category. It isn't a thing that you can dissect to determine what it is comprised of. Some say that time is an illusion which is true but it's more like a mis-preception of whats happening around you. In other words, the movement of physical matter creates the illusion of time passing and this is due to your human brain's perspective. Until you experience the realm of no time, there isn't any way to make you understand what time is. Once upon a time a friend of mine had a bad car wreck, he described to me the way time stopped (although things were still going on around him) and how he had a extreme spiritual experience at the same time. Another friend told me years ago that "All time is now, it's all there is, was, or ever will be". It took me 25 years to understand exactly what he was talking about. Space is the silent eternal 'stage' in which all things happen. No one can make you understand what time is, you must experience it yourself. Eckhart Tolle did it for me. Good Luck!

reply to post by Paintshisshieldred


Yes, it can take along time to realize there is no time.
Eternally now.

Namaste.

Edit. If you like Eckhart Tolle, you might also appreciate Mooji.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Time was invented as a meajureant of building things, it's how it first came to be I think from tempo.
You may be right, it might not exist, it has something to do with evolution, maybe if we can understand evolution we can understand time.

reply to post by pepsi 78


Time was not needed until industrial farming came about.
It is useful in getting the workers up. Buzzers and bells are used to programme us from the time we are 4 years old. It is a useful tool of control.
Without us knowing, we are slaves to time.
It is time that makes us rush about and not see or feel what is really going on.
The belief in time will steal your life from you.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Nor'Easter

 

Then, that is your up to your willingness to inquire into the nature of mind. The mind does not know reality, it only thinks it does!
The mind will tell you something is lousy (when it hasn't even allowed you to look) and it is trusted.
Are you going to let your mind decide everything for you?
Who is it that gives the power away to the mind?
Whos mind is it anyway?

If it is your mind, it is time to claim it back and be the owner of it.
It is not wise to allow the mind to be in charge of you.

edit on 19-7-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry, but I think that establishing a glossary of terms would be a required if you and I were to even attempt a discussion of these issues. From what I have gleaned from your posts, we don't even speak the same version of the English language. In my version of English, the mind IS the person. You may not use that word to define the true and emerging human being, but that is my word for what the human brain produces as the eternal human being. Therefore, it would be ludicrous for me to take your advice and not allow me to decide for me. My mind - given my definition for the word "mind" - Is me. It is the personality that my corporeal matrix system has been creating since the day I was born. There literally is no other ME that exists.

To me, the prior-existent non-personality soul is a fabrication of ancient people who didn't understand the way that the human brain works. Logically, there's no room for such a creature to exist, and certainly no requirement for its existence. So, as you can see, we don't even agree enough to discuss our differences.

reply to post by Nor'Easter


The mind is a system that is running most peoples lives. It goes unchecked. It is assumed that is who we are (the mind/thoughts), that it is the person you are.
It is the person you are, however, when it is inquired into it is seen to be an intruder, a mistaken identity.
I am surprised that philosophy/metaphysics interests you if you are not willing to enquire into the nature of the mind.

What you are is not a 'thing' that will one day be complete (when you have grown for enough time) what you are has been clouded by the mind (veiled).
Your true nature is prior to thought.
You may see no benefit is this, however peace is very nice indeed.

reply to post by NorEaster


I couldn't resist telling you about some scientist today and not in ancient time, that have a very interesting opinion about the subject of Soul.
I will not enter a debate of yes and no, I just like to know what is it that make you so sure of been sure?
I wish I was you ....only certainty in my mind and thought !
Great day to you.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Namaste to you too my friend, I will definitely check out Mooji. My comprehension of the illusion of time came about due to several mini-awakenings I had that have long since faded. I've been trying to find my way back ever since. Extremely frustrating.

reply to post by Paintshisshieldred


It is frustrating when it is known and then seemingly lost, so painful, like grief.
Eckhart Tolle was the one who first helped me find the formula, i also knew but had 'lost' it.
I can recommend other very good messengers, i will post some links for you.
This is Mooji
youtu.be...
This is Peter Brown
youtu.be...
youtu.be...
Adyshanti
youtu.be...

Because you have already seen it will be obvious and clear after spending time with these guys. There are more speakers, if you like i will post some, later though. I am excited for you .

Namaste.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

We are definitely on the same page here. I'm was just watching Mooji on youtube thanks to you. I've bookmarked his channel and I'm looking forward to watching his mountain of uploads. Peter Brown I'm unfamiliar with but will be checking him out too. Adyshanti I have been aware of for some time as well as many others. Gina Lake sends a good message too if you haven't heard of her. Maybe the OP is reading our post's and will hopefully resonate with this information and eventually have his/her question of time solved. If you are reading these posts OP, do consider what we are saying and check it out, you may indeed find what you seek. Again, Namaste my friend.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Though those philosophers are definitely well-versed... I wonder: how much of your philosophy comes down to what you think to be truth? A great amount of people rely solely what is told to them, not what is shown to them, or perhaps what they experience. Now, of course there needs to be balance. In fact, my main purpose for this thread was to explore other peoples' ideas and philosophies upon this subject so I am more than welcoming everyone's opinions and contributions. I do wish, however, for a small elaboration. If time does not exist like most people seem to agree with, then what is the future? It is instantaneously becoming the present as the present continues to exist. Doesn't it then, due to my awareness of it occurring, exist? Same with the past, in escence it is simultaneously existing as the future converted to present is converted to past. At this point I am almost beginning to think that only the present doesn't exist. Everything that happens, happened, and everything that will (or can I guess) happen, happens. Thus everything that will happen has happened.

reply to post by NorEaster


I enjoy your aspect and perspective to this topic.. is my post before this one somewhat in agreeing terms with what you were saying? I may be wrong

reply to post by PhysicsAdept


You ask what is the future. It is a word, a concept, a belief, an idea, it is no more than a thought. The past is the same, it is made of nothing but thought.
We always stand in the present and look one way (past) and the other (future), yet we always stand in the present.
The awareness that you are and the physical body too only exists in the present. The mind (thoughts) can't comprehend this now, present moment, it can only work with duality.
Now has no opposite.
The mind can only work in duality-past/future, right/wrong, good/bad.

Really what you see is what you get and then the mind (which no one has ever seen, it is really only one thought at a time) imagines the rest.
Everything that appears to happen is happening now. When else can it happen?
All across the whole universe it is now now. There is no other time anywhere, ever.

There are many people looking for the truth (seekers) and there are many who have seen the truth. Unless it is seen for oneself it will not be seen. The deeper one inquies into the nature of experience the stranger it gets. Life is a mystery and always will be.

The presence of you is the present.
The present is a gift.

Time is only created from observation, if we cease to exist then time as WE know it ceases to exist. Sleeping is weird in that time seems to pass in an instant but I think we start to observe time as we begin to wake but before we are fully awake. If you were the only person on earth and you went to sleep there would be no one to observe the time you were asleep and therefore you would feel as though you had skipped through time. Lets go a step further and say that the only person is also blind which would prevent the observation of night and day that creates a perception of time that has passed, you would surely feel the difference of night and day but time would feel to be a constant of awareness of the other senses you have available to you, hot and cold are some simple examples. Lets go another step and say you (the only person) are also deaf, you could smell and feel (touch) but how would time be perceived then, as just a now that comes and goes. To truly observe time we are designed to observe it. How fast is someone travelling (such as running) if it is not observed. I as nearly everyone on the planet experiences through observation that time ebbs and flows, I think there are already examples of this previously posted. In school towards the end of the day I would keep observing the clock which felt to me to slow time but then I have had days that feel like they have been much longer than others. I think we need to work out how to observe time differently which would allows us to experience time at a much slower rate. Most times we perceive time as moving fast is when our mind is not truly observing time but is more focused on something else that we are engaged in. The trick here is to be observant of time but also engaged in what we are doing. I must say that I have experienced a day that truly felt as though it was extremely longer than it should have been. This I feel was compounded because of the blur I felt between the days after also but whos to really know. It was perception and observance of the time that was most important which created the experience I had. Someone who was with me may not have experienced time distortion on the same level and could possibly say that it felt like no time at all.
A very interesting topic, thanks for posting it up, definately gets the mind working which is a good thing, as long as you observe the time it takes to type without becoming preoccupied so as not to lose any time. lol

reply to post by Paintshisshieldred


I am glad you liked Mooji. I also like Tony Parsons, Paul Hedderman, Burt Harding, Bob Adamson, Jeff Foster, Rupert Spira, Jac O'Keefe and Alan Watts, to name a few.
Thank you for your recommendation.
Check out conscious tv.

Namaste.

Time is a measure of distance
One earth rotation equals one day, broken down into 24 hours followed by hours ,minutes and seconds.
Longitudes and latitudes are expressed as minutes and seconds
A years is the distance covered by the Earth as it completes one revolution around our sun
Time is relative to your location in space and the known values of constant repeatable cosmic events.
Just my opinion though I'm probably wrong!

The following link is about time travel but it also speaks of how time works as such.

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reply to post by MagnumOverDrive


No, in this thread it is hard to find someone who is "wrong". I am still in love with physics, and as an endeavoring scientist it is very easy to conclude that you are correct. This would describe only humanities universal encoding of "time". Though it is easy to relate to an entire population of people living on Earth, most people in this particular forum might ask you, what if you don't live on this planet, or next to anything in orbit? What about if you lived on Mars where the day is off by a couple of hours? These are things to ponder when you are talking about time as... more of a feeling of sorts, not just an objective noun-type definition.

Please, feel free to reply with more thoughts you have

reply to post by Rellix


Ah yes, I've watched him a before, quite a few times. He has my job!

Thank you for the contribution.