There Will Be No Galactic Alignment in 2012

It's not an 'idea'. It's a scientific fact that the Galactic Alignment is happening on 12-21-12. I mean, it's fine not to buy any of the end of the world stuff, but at least face facts and realize the truth here. I find it baffling to no end that I'm reading people saying there will be no GA in 2012... lol. You are coming to that conclusion with no knowledge of how the cycle works nor of astronomy. You have no basic understanding of the precission of the eqiunoxes if you cannot comprehend 12-21-12.

reply to post by athenegoddess

It's not an 'idea'. It's a scientific fact that the Galactic Alignment is happening on 12-21-12. I mean, it's fine not to buy any of the end of the world stuff, but at least face facts and realize the truth here. I find it baffling to no end that I'm reading people saying there will be no GA in 2012... lol. You are coming to that conclusion with no knowledge of how the cycle works nor of astronomy. You have no basic understanding of the precission of the eqiunoxes if you cannot comprehend 12-21-12.

As an astrologer, what degree of separation would you consider to be a "conjunction?" Say the Sun is at 1 Capricorn... if the Moon is at 2 Capricorn, would that be a conjunction?

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my mistake soz fella misread and thought you had replied to me I'll get my eyes tested

Originally posted by athenegoddess
It's not an 'idea'. It's a scientific fact that the Galactic Alignment is happening on 12-21-12. I mean, it's fine not to buy any of the end of the world stuff, but at least face facts and realize the truth here. I find it baffling to no end that I'm reading people saying there will be no GA in 2012... lol. You are coming to that conclusion with no knowledge of how the cycle works nor of astronomy. You have no basic understanding of the precission of the eqiunoxes if you cannot comprehend 12-21-12.

Almost all of my post-secondary education actually IS in Astronomy, so it's laughable to say that I know nothing about it. I can provide documentation to that effect. I know very well the cycles and am acutely aware of the precession of the equinoxes (something of which astrologers are apparently unaware - they have not updated for that precession in a couple thousand years, and the ascending node is NOT where it was, or where they calculate from, any more - it's now called 'the first point of Ares).

THERE WILL BE NO ALIGNMENT, only a relatively close grazing. To illustrate the supreme importance of just how aligned an "alignment" must be, walk by and bump a satellite dish, then sit down nearby and listen to the howls of dismay when there is no more reception.

Accuracy counts, near misses do not.

Now, it's entirely possible that I'm missing what folks are calling an "alignment". They must specify WHAT is aligning with WHAT, There are several billion bodies in this galaxy alone, so thousands of a "alignments" occur each and every day, and many of those are FAR closer to being in alignment than the Sun with the galactic center and some postulated but unspecified third body.

Edit to add: precession works like this, on a grand scale - as the Earth's pole wobbles, the plane of the equator, 90 degrees "down" from that in all directions, wobbles as well. It would look like a giant coin tossed on a table before it settles down. as that wobble proceeds, the "nodes" where that coin meets the plane of the table progresses, and changes location from year to year, along the intersection of the two planes. That is the Earth's plane versus the ecliptic, but the same cycles are present when ANY two systems are referenced one to another. The Precession of the Equinoxes refers specifically to the EARTH'S reference point against the Solar System's reference point - a purely localized phenomena, local ONLY o this Solar System. The solar system in turn precesses with respect to the galaxy, as do all OTHER solar systems. Nothing particularly special about the way THIS one relates internally, or externally to the galaxy as a whole.

Why don't those thousand of other alignments daily destroy the universe? Internally, why doesn't the equatorial plane of Mars, or Jupiter, affect the entire solar system when it precesses, which precessional point is different from the Earth's?

i dont agree or disagree just find it all very interesting. now if i have taken incidence with any of you than you can bet it was your tone or the way you simply come at people. the sheep need protected from wolves by wolves. so if you bare your fangs, be prepared for more fangs your way.

sorry about being off topic for a sec...

i believe what some are refering to in terms of galactic alignment and dark rift are contained in the article i am providing below. gives simple and basic understanding of alignment and dark rift, etc...

alignment2012.com...

if not good enough can find much more. please read: i am in no way for or against this, just trying to gather as much info as possible to make my OWN, hopefully informative decision.

also found this at same site. has animation for you also.
www.lunarplanner.com...

one again to be clear. i am not for or against this just trying to get a clear understanding and make my own decisions.

thank you.

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sorry if i used harsh tone. just trying to learn all i can while i can. heck, now there are some claiming memory loss on passing comet. so if their right i better get what i can while i can.

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don't know about memory loss but definately some sanity loss going on must be the magnetite in our brains
I do know what you mean about finding info though not worried about comets but there coma's myself hopefully just a nice light show but I'll be honest am stocking up on grub just in case it can't hurt and won't be wasted and what with economists predicting food will triple in price soon I'll get it while it is still relatively cheap so two reasons to prepare really

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what? no one debunked this. well i am learning. this may be right. cool.

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what? no one debunked this. well i am learning. this may be right. cool.

The winter solstice does not align with the galactic center any more closely next year than it has for the past ten years. Phage has shown this with planetarium software. You can perform the same experiment with software of your own choosing. Even if it did, what difference would you expect it to make? The galactic center is thousands of light-years away. Being 1 AU closer or further from it is not going to make much difference, don't you think?

Yes the sun has been shifting arcross the galactic equator for several years, it will now move further and further away for the next 13,000 years and the begin to swing back again for another alignment "period" in the following 13,000 years.

Actually Jenkins did write about the special alignment of 1998, he also knew it was very close in the years around that date anddecided to pick a 36 year aliognment zone or 2012 era. It's during these years that the Sun is touching the galactic equator.

It is not really about true galactic centre but the dark rift, the birth canal that the sun lines up with. The Maya couldn't see the galactic core but they could see the dark rift.

It also forms the roots of the tree of life in the sky with the other planets on the day, The tree is symbolized in sky like on no other day. Anyone can check it out for themselves with the software, most are just looking at the simpliostic alignment thingy. Look deeper and keep in mind how the maya would have thought, it was not like you or me.

Yes December 21st 2012 is the soltices of soltices for the Maya, It's not just a simple alignment it's a beautiful metaphor.

To pinpoint that day they would need to know the length of year down to 45 seconds!

Five long count calendars come within the precessional cycle to within 0.5%, and they often spoke of the five cycles. Coincidence?

Do I think anything happens on the day? Doubtfull. I do believe something significant is happening and it's happening arcoss that astronomicaly brief period of a few decades as the sun is makes it transition.
At least I hope so, for all our sakes.

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To pinpoint that day they would need to know the length of year down to 45 seconds!

Why? All they would need to know is that solstices occur one day off every four years. That's hardly a precision of 45 seconds!

Five long count calendars come within the precessional cycle to within 0.5%, and they often spoke of the five cycles. Coincidence?

Undoubtedly, especially given that there is no evidence that the Maya knew about the precessional cycle

Originally posted by squiz

Actually Jenkins did write about the special alignment of 1998, he also knew it was very close in the years around that date anddecided to pick a 36 year aliognment zone or 2012 era. It's during these years that the Sun is touching the galactic equator.

The Sun is currently 50 Light Years "above" the galactic equator. and moving away from it. In order to "touch" the galactic equator by 21 December 2012, it would have to suddenly reverse direction and accelerate to slightly over 35 times the speed of light. If that were to happen, The "Mayan Doomsday" would be the last of our worries. Not a single soul on the planet, or the planet itself, would survive the sudden reversal and acceleration.

It is not really about true galactic centre but the dark rift, the birth canal that the sun lines up with. The Maya couldn't see the galactic core but they could see the dark rift.

The Dark Rift is a cloud of gas and dust in the next arm of the galaxy coreward. Granted, it's closer than the galactic center, but it's still several thousand light years away. The Maya believed that the Dark Rift was a "Star gate" on the Milky Way path. I'm not sure why folks are freaking out over that star gate. and yet ignore the other one they believed was on the other side of the sky, 180 degrees away from it on the band of the Milky Way. This second one, by the way, is quite a lot closer. The gap of space between the galactic arms doesn't separate us from it, as it does the Dark Rift.

Originally posted by DJW001
Why? All they would need to know is that solstices occur one day off every four years. That's hardly a precision of 45 seconds!

Well it's not exactly one day off every fours years, so over ime that discrepency builds up. To hit the day from over two thousand years ago is astonishing.
The end just happens to fall on a soltice date, it was not a matter of counting soltices, the further back in time you go the greater the margin of error. I suppose the end date just happening to be solstice is also just a coincidence. Just think about it a bit, it's quite remarkable.

I think precession is precisely what they were measuring and tracking, it seems many ancient cultures were aware of it. It appearsthat precession is built into the long count calendar. Proof is a strong word to use though, I'd say i was very suggestive.

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No, no, I'm sorry, I did not mean physical touching the galactic plane. It's perspective, and perspective from the geographical location, Southern Mexico. Like I said in my first post in this thread There is no real galactic alignment. The alignment is with the plane of the galaxy of course not the centre.

I'm not suggesting there is any physical things that are going to occur from it. All I'm saying is that it is a metaphor directly relating to their mythology, a symbol.

The remarkable thing is the acurracy of the calendar, no one can deny that.

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However, the Mayans placed no particular emphasis on the solstice. The GMT correlation was originally supported by Sir Eric Thomson who was a major archaeologist in his day. However, it is starting to look like some of the things he proposed reflected the beliefs of the European colonists as opposed to ancient Mesoamerican beliefs. For example the claim that the Mayans believed in a multilayered universe. This could explain why Thomson supported the GMT correlation as it ended on a date that would have been significant to Europeans. Modern researchers however are beginning to question the GMT correlation more and more and there is no indication that if a proper correlation were created that it would end on a solstice or equinox.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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However, the Mayans placed no particular emphasis on the solstice.

Perhaps, seems odd to me when all cycles of nature were important to the Maya. I would think it would be important as far as time keeping goes. As I said, is it a coincidence that the end date happens to fall on solstice? if you say yes then we can forget the lot it and call it an accident as is the five cycles equally precession.

If not then we have more questions and credit to the mathematics of the Maya.

I've heard a bit about gmt discrepencies, I've also heard that no correlation is actually needed, I'll look further based on your points, thanks for that.

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Ah, I see - I think. You're observing that it will appear to cross the point where we see the galactic equator to be - an optical illusion of sorts. If that's the case, I can go along with that.

What most folks perceive of as phenomenal accuracy in the Mayan calendar is a function of the fact that they actually had 3 "calendars" with interlocking cycles, based upon observations of different astronomical cycles. I haven't studied up on it in some time, but I've got the materials to brush up on it if I need to. There was, as I recall, a 260 day cycle based upon the rising of Venus, a 360 day cycle, and another - maybe it was a lunar cycle, I'm not sure at the moment.

All these related to one another in that they were all measured in days. Think of the days as teeth on differently sized cogs, 260 teeth on this one, 360 on that one, etc, and all these teeth meshing together as the cogs turned. where any particular tooth was at any particular time was dependent on where the other teeth were.

Given the complexity of it, it's very possible that precessional cycles were built-in to the system via the interlocking of the separate cycles, and without the Maya being aware that it was even there, that it even existed, or what it was.

Originally posted by nenothtu
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Ah, I see - I think. You're observing that it will appear to cross the point where we see the galactic equator to be - an optical illusion of sorts. If that's the case, I can go along with that.

You got it, the Sun "appears" to pass from one side of the galactic equator/plane to the other the entire crossing fits well inside sunrise and sunset.

Venus leads the way before sunrise, highly significant to the Maya. The Sun then will cross into the dark rift and be directly in the birth canal in the late afternoon with the other planets lined up arcoss the ecliptic representing the sacred tree. The sun will appear equally between the planets. The centre of the galaxy or the womb of creation finds itself actually at the base of the tree as the source or root system. The sun completes it's crossing just before sunset.

I think it's quite fitting and poetic.

It's cosmic procreation. And the world will go on. Humanity sure could use some consciousness expansion though.

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It's not a coincidence. At all.

This thread is lots of fun to read. Nothing ever changes. In May of 2000, people were saying the exact same thing, that the world would end, or the planet would split in half When the world did not end on Y2K, people came up with this new idea. And it is not any different this time, but someone is making lots of money scaring people and selling books.

The Planetary Alignment of 5 May 2000

On May 5, 2000 the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be more or less positioned in a line with the Sun. Additionally, the Moon will be almost lined up between the Earth and Sun. Although this has led to many dire predictions of global catastrophes such as melting ice caps, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. there is absolutely no scientific basis for these claims. The distance to the planets is too great for their gravity, magnetic fields, radiation, etc. to have any discernible effect on Earth. In fact, we won't even be able to see this alignment, as all the planets will be on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth. And there is nothing "magic" about the planets being in a line, the effects do not somehow multiply simply due to a geometric arrangement. For example, the combined gravitational effect of all the planets together is much less than the effect of the Sun or the Moon on the Earth. Depending on how strictly you want to define "alignment", the inner six planets are aligned every fifty to a hundred years or so.

While unusual, such alignments have happened in the past without any consequences. The planets are simply too far away to have an effect on anything here on Earth - except our imaginations.

Planetary Alignment of May 2000