The British Conspiracy that has it ALL...... Phone Hacking, Corporations, Police Collusion.........

reply to post by Freeborn


Wapping. hmmmmm.. Certainly not a word I will forget (shows how old I am.. ).. interesting development tho... especially when placed alongside the new that some anonymous persons brought the sunonsunday.com and .co.uk domains.

It certainly feels like this story will not be shoved under the carper no matter how hard some try..

Hi all

The fact that the preservation of Rebekah Wade over all those others is an interesting one.........

Miss / Mrs Rebekah is firends , as we know with the current ruling PM and maybe if she was 'sacrificed' then that leaves the current PM and the current Coalition in peril !

There have been reports that Murdochs Lot have held sway since Margaret Thatcher (sorry Freeborn, breathe) and ALL PM's from ALL parties since....... Maybe Rebekah Knows too much !!!

I do have some sympathy with the current workers at NotW as they feel that they were 'cleaning up' the place and the real villians are now running pubs in the SE or doing other pursuits with their ''hard earned'' cash BUT this does not stop the bigger issue which is poor morales and ethics of many big Corporations to maximise thier bottomlines at whatever cost to the sheeple public......

Murdoch has only shut down a BRAND and has NOT addressed anything...the man looks stupid, the man looks like a fool.... a rich fool granted but still a senile fool..................

This has only just STARTED!!

PDUK

FOR YOUR INFO

GreenEyedLeo has added on the FIRST post a link to a BLOG being run by the Guardian about this whole event.... look for - live coverage link just at the top of the post !

It was supplied originally by member Mark Harris and should provide an on-going source of information fed to that link.......... Click on it and update it accordingly for the latest info....

Cheers GEL


Regards

PDUK

This should be proof of what kind of a man Murdoch is, the man who has been at the controls of directing the media for decades, a man willing to discard ordinary employees to try and save his own neck. He cannot wriggle out of this one, at least we can all hope not. What him and his goons should do is stand down, but that won't happen.

I would love to know exactly what Rebecca Brooks and our PMs have at stake in this, because there is something that we aren't being told. The roots in this story run very deep, we only have to see the caliber of those involved.

make sure the pendulum doesnt swing to far in favour of these scum soccer players and their corrupt unjust rights to gag who the f*** they want.I mean its very convenient that all this phone hacking and police collusion com es out just as super injunctions are about to lose gravitas.Now it appears that because of this the scum prima donnas and their whore lawyers will make swift capital of hackinggate and grandstand thier rights for silence.GEEEEZE HAS THIS COUNTRY EVER BEEN SO CORRUPT OR IS THIER SO MUCH OF IT THEY JUST HAVENT GOT A BIG ENOUGH LID TO KEEP IT ALL UNDER WRAPS?

This story has gone international on all networks but it seems that on this site you should have included a few aliens or ghosts in the headline before the newby 3 year olds take note.

The real issue is how easily hacked we are..

Kind of important no?

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator
This story has gone international on all networks but it seems that on this site you should have included a few aliens or ghosts in the headline before the newby 3 year olds take note.

The real issue is how easily hacked we are..

Kind of important no?

edit on 7-7-2011 by BattleFieldPredator because: (no reason given)

Well you have the hacking that intercepts voicemail messages.. and given that most people use simple and predictable voicemail pin numbers it seems to be an easy hack.

Even when talking about the other forms of hacking.. people leave their bluetooth on and discoverable.. again making hacking fairly easy.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Unless they where using brute force techniques they seem to be disgusting opportunistic vultures.. seemingly hacking just about anyone and everyone in the hope of getting a story.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Dear PurpleDog UK

I have been listening to this nonsense for days now on the BBC.

Why do I say nonsense?

Nonsense because the American NSA has been intercepting all phone and any other electronic communications for years.

No less with the permission of the UK government.

Now if you want to shout about something try that one.

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


Yes Cameron is friends with Brookes, but he also employed Coulson and publicly supported him during the Sheridan trial.
It is widely rumoured that Coulson will be arrested today and charged with perjury - a crime he committed whilst employed by Cameron.
Cameron's judgement must be seriously questioned - how can we allow such a poor judge of character be responsible for the security and well being of this country?

As for Thatcher mate; yes I have a personal dislike of the woman that borders on hatred - I remember the suffering she caused vividly and we are still paying the price for her policies - however I find the almost deification of her particularly galling, something which quite tellingly was / is particularly noticeable in News International publications.

But we must not let that distact from the fact that Murdoch and News International have also had an incestuous relationship with every other Prime Minister and their administrations since Thatcher, regardless of political affiliaion.
They are all as corrupt and amoral as each other and proof that our out dated and unrepresentative party political system has out lived it's usefullness and effectiveness.

reply to post by MAC269


Of course, how remiss of us, stories are only of interest or are important if they have an American slant to them.

reply to post by Freeborn


Dear Freeborn

Look up Echelon

en.wikipedia.org...(signals_intelligence)

It is your alphabet soup.

You are supposed to be protected by your constitution, Humm tell it to the Marines.

Interesting to hear Cameron squirm at the Press conference currently going on. Especially over his Coulson appointment. I don't believe a word he's saying. I'm afraid Cameron is now damaged goods.

Keep your eye on Rory Stewart as a possible replacement in the future. Pictured at recent bilderberg conference.

Well it seems like the arrests have begun with Scotland Yard confirming (from Skys talking heads) that Andy Coulson has been arrested.

It'll be interesting what information he gives up now he is not just a witness in this case..

ETA:

Tho what I got from Camerons speech was that they (the politicians) where equally complicit in allowing these practices to continue and grow in favour of getting good press coverage.. and if he is willing to admit that.. cynical me can not help but wonder what else is being swept under the carpet.

And wonder what real value we will see in these arrests.

reply to post by MAC269


A most informative read, thanks for the link and it confirms what many of us suspected.

Yet what is the relevance to the actual details of this case?
This has nothing to do with government listening stations etc.
It's about Police illegally and immorally passing on private and personal details of people involved in ongoing criminal investigations and other sensitive events to private investigators and journalists, the subsequent illegal and immoral actions of the P.I.'s and journalists, the deliberate cover up, lying and perjury of senior News International executives, the poor judgement of the current British Prime Minister and the incestuous, illegal and secretive relationship between senior police officers, News International and successive British governments.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


The Murdochs are standing by Brookes.
Cameron is standing by Coulson and revealing very little of substance.

The role of the police needs to be scrutinised.
Camerons judgement and credibility is non-existent.

And who looks like becoming the 'fall guy' - The Press Complaints Commission - something that for all it's faults ensures the independance of the media - just what will replace it and how much control will it have over the press?

reply to post by Freeborn


The thing is they are all still mates, still live and socialise together, Cameron can say what he likes but when he gets back to his constituency he will be walking into a Chipping Norton pub high-fiving his buddies, quaffing champagne and laughing at the proles.

reply to post by Freeborn


I'm surprised Cameron hasn't opened COBRa to protect his rear on this one

With News International seeming like they are selling Coulson down the river while Cameron sides with him.. I can not help but wonder what information Coulson will now conveniently give over to the police.

Still it is beginning to feel like a game within a game within a game

Which leads me to the simple assumption the system is soo broken they are faltering in finding new and innovative ways to hide the mess it is in.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Freeborn

 

The thing is they are all still mates, still live and socialise together, Cameron can say what he likes but when he gets back to his constituency he will be walking into a Chipping Norton pub high-fiving his buddies, quaffing champagne and laughing at the proles.

I have no clue how Cameron can also come out of this.
He is damaged beyond repair imo
The fact that he has not distanced himself from those two scumbags is proof that he is either a moron or they have some dynamite on him.

Methinks its the latter.

reply to post by BattleFieldPredator

Originally posted by BattleFieldPredator
I have no clue how Cameron can also come out of this.
He is damaged beyond repair imo
The fact that he has not distanced himself from those two scumbags is proof that he is either a moron or they have some dynamite on him.

Absolutely. I spoke of sacrificial lambs before but wow, to kill off the News of the World is absolutely huge step. Confusion seems to be everywhere over the observation that none of the NotW employees present were working for the title at the time, bar one: an individual who was editor at the time and yet shoulders no responsibility. To demand a sacrificial lamb of that size makes you wonder exactly how high this goes?

Very quickly -

David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Co flock to pay homage at Rupert Murdoch's summer party


Conservative involvement - Here is the full statement regarding the arrest of Andy Coulson:

In an interview on BBC the editor of The Guardian talks about how he warned Cameron against involvement with Coulson. Considering the essential requirement for squeaky clean Cameron/Govt. profile against the mire in which Coulson precariously stood it seems reasonable to wonder if it Was it simply the greedy promise of influence via Coulsons powerful relations which blinded Cameron. While neither are particularly endearing qualities for a Prime Ministe are the charges of being either hugely ignorant or ethically bankrupt the best Cameron can hope for here? Anything else, anything deeper doesn't bear thinking about.


Labor - Leaked Labour email: lay off Murdoch - Opposition leader attempts to turn down the heat on the phone-hacking scandal.


And a little on the Police -


The former head of the Metropolitan police anticorruption unit told channel four news he was "Warned off investigating illegal payments to corrupt police officers."

"I was given what I thought was very good advice at the time that if you go for a journalist adn convict him then that's a good job but if he gets away with it, if you don't quite make it, there will be plenty of his collegues who will round on the organisation and you will be punished."

(04:30)

C4 News also spoke to Steve Roberts, former head of the Met Police anti-corruption squad, who said he was aware of information being leaked by officers to the press. But there was a reluctance to take on the media over the issue.

Police officers concerned about being targeted by journalists? Targetted how?

News of the World surveillance of detective: what Rebekah Brooks knew : Brooks summoned to meeting with Scotland Yard to be told her journalists had spied on behalf of murder suspects

...her paper's resources had been used on behalf of two murder suspects to spy on the senior detective who was investigating their alleged crime.

one of her most senior journalists, Alex Marunchak, had apparently agreed to use photographers and vans leased to the paper to run surveillance on behalf of Jonathan Rees and Sid Fillery, two private investigators who were suspected of murdering their former partner, Daniel Morgan.

evidence that Marunchak had a corrupt relationship with Rees, who had been earning up to £150,000 a year selling confidential data to the News of the World. Police told her that a former employee of Rees had given them a statement alleging that some of these payments were diverted to Marunchak,

It is now known that at that time, the News of the World's investigator, Glenn Mulcaire, succeeded in obtaining Cook's home address, his internal payroll number at the Metropolitan police, his date of birth and figures for the amount that he and his wife were paying for their mortgage. All of this appears to have been blagged by Mulcaire from confidential databases, apparently including the Met's own records.

investigation suggests that surveillance of Detective Chief Superintendent David Cook involved the News of the World physically following him and his young children

The targeting of Cook began following his appearance on BBC Crimewatch on 26 June 2002, when he appealed for information to solve the murder of Morgan.

Exclusive: Channel 4 News learns that a Metropolitan Police detective was put under surveillance by News of the World journalists and his personal details targeted.


So even at a quick glance top level association with both political parties, personal information of an officer heading a murder investigation disclosed, via corrupt officers through the Mets own records, in surveillance being run on behalf of murder suspects and the former head of the Metropolitan police anticorruption unit talking about being given warnings over investigating police corruption.

Killing off the paper is a big lamb to sacrifice but Murdoch is not know for naivety.

Thank you for this thread, I was beginning to lose my faith in ATS.

When all of this started I logged on to ATS to have a look to see what the supposedly “alternative media” were saying about this and found pretty much nothing. Yesterday I logged on again once it was announced that the closure of the News of the World and found one thread with about 8 responses and not much in the way of discussion.

I don’t understand, this should be all over the ATS front page, it should have its own forum to discuss the plethora of accusations coming out. Why is ATS seemingly ignoring this major development, we have phone hacking, the Murdoch family, corruption in the press, the police and politics and its all being expose before our very eyes yet so far by large ATS is ignoring this. If it does not concern America, it seems like nobody cares.

I am not a proponent of the NWO conspiracies, but this is making even the most diehard of sceptic such as myself question my sceptical position regarding this theory. Where is the “NWO exposed in the British Press” threads or the threads exposing Cameron’s connection with the whole mess and what about the allegations of police corruption or the thread exposing how laughable the regulation of the press is. this is massive, if we think News of the World is the only guilty party we are kidding ourselves, this is going to expose the orchid of rotten apples that has plagued feet street.

ATS SIT UP AND START WATCHING THIS CONSPIRACY BEING EXPOSED!!!!!

S&F. why does this thread not have a few hundred flags?

Update, just heard that the Royal correspondent for the News of the Word is also under question.