Abduction Phenomenon. What are the motivations?

reply to post by Picollo30


No Motivations, just people remembering what Uncle bob did to them when they was 6...

I've had more then a few of these horrific encounters myself, a couple of which while awake. I don't know wtf is going on, but I know it sucks. that being said I have no memory of "physical" or "medical" occurances, though I had my fair share of odd marks in the morning.

all I can remember is odd mental "tests" and being shown strange things amongst other people, things I think I was to assume were from "other" peoples of other planets, weapons, books, textiles, art, etc...

like I said, I'm pretty much in the dis-info camp on every topic damn near, but this really happens. if it's a hallucination, it's not any less scary and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Channeling gets mentioned again....

On what basis would anybody consider somebody claiming to be channeling contact with alien entities to be on the level rather than either of the following:

A) A nutter
B) A con man/woman

I dont get it. Can somebody help me out here?

Originally posted by justwokeup
Channeling gets mentioned again....

On what basis would anybody consider somebody claiming to be channeling contact with alien entities to be on the level rather than either of the following:

A) A nutter
B) A con man/woman

I dont get it. Can somebody help me out here?

they are:
attention whore,
nutjob
crackjob

Well they don't knock on your door and ask you questions.

They intrude in your space, in your thoughts if you're sensitive enough to notice it. They can tell that you notice. Then they try to manipulate you. You'll get nightmares or feel as it you're being coaxed into a different direction.
The reason I say manipulate is because you can sense that there is an intent, but the intent is not always to your advantage. They're never open about this intent, they tend to keep it to themselves and give you hardly any clues.

And just the fact that they target sensitive people shows they want something out of these people, something an average person cannot provide. Maybe they just like to mess around and entertain themselves with our naivete. But if I knew their motivations and original intent I wouldn't be here posting this. I'm still pondering on that.

Originally posted by zarch

Originally posted by nusnus
From my personal experiences and those around me, I can tell one thing clearly, is that grey's are not interested in average people. They go for highly sensitive, even psychic people. And I know its for purposes of manipulation. But the reason behind this manipulation is speculative. Anyone who has further information in this direction is welcome to post. Assuming they would actually take the risk of posting so.

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In what sense do you mean "they are interested in" - like interested in abducting those people, or something else? And you say for the "purpose of manipulation". Can you elaborate more on what type of manipulation are you talking about?

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Originally posted by justwokeup
Channeling gets mentioned again....

On what basis would anybody consider somebody claiming to be channeling contact with alien entities to be on the level rather than either of the following:

A) A nutter
B) A con man/woman

I dont get it. Can somebody help me out here?

I know well such a person. He is father of a friend of mine. Anyway, he is a quite reasonable and honest person, and I believe his stories. Basically he claims a few years ago some form of alien consciousness established informational telepathic connection with him. He can speak and exchange information mentally with that thing. He did not tell people around, just his son and me and a couple of other friends, so that people do not think he has gone nuts. I think what science calls Auditory hallucination has something to do with it and that kind of interference is for real. Anyway, his experience from that was not good, as that foreign consciousness was not of good nature. He moved to another city an year ago and I hope those things are not bothering him anymore.

reply to post by Pimander


Well, the alien implant analysis is up in the air because frankly, I am unqualified to check accuracy. I WISH it were done by a known and respected testing laboratory, but I cannot discredit hard work just because of my ignorance and unfamiliarity. Something tells me deep down inside however that IF this was an actual case of a human implant that was conclusively not of this Earth, this would have all been a wee bit OVER BLOWN. As in "The biggest break through in scientific history", PROOF of extraterrestrial visitation/abduction. But of course there is the real possibility that it's just a meteorite fragment. I really don't know.

AS far as military involvement via whatever means and methods, I HIGHLY doubt that. Why? Because the military is one of the most archaic groups on the planet. Now, it is quite possible that it may be a paramilitary intelligence group, but I do not believe the abduction phenomena to in any way be isolated to the United States. That's just where a majority of the literary sources of what this report calls "research" (not!) are located and originate. There is a reason for that too, but I digress...

The abduction phenomena is completely world wide.

The biggest problem I had with the "preliminary findings" report concerning MILAB is that it's coming from the perspective of someone that "believes" in the Alien Abduction phenomena in the first place. Hence his reference to the Betty Andreasson case.

Your story is amongst the many I've had a chance to read and trust me, none of them are happy people who come around and say: ohh those aliens, theyre so nice! they took me out to a drive around the planets today..horraaaaay!

Originally posted by zarch

Originally posted by justwokeup
Channeling gets mentioned again....

On what basis would anybody consider somebody claiming to be channeling contact with alien entities to be on the level rather than either of the following:

A) A nutter
B) A con man/woman

I dont get it. Can somebody help me out here?

I know well such a person. He is father of a friend of mine. Anyway, he is a quite reasonable and honest person, and I believe his stories. Basically he claims a few years ago some form of alien consciousness established informational telepathic connection with him. He can speak and exchange information mentally with that thing. He did not tell people around, just his son and me and a couple of other friends, so that people do not think he has gone nuts. I think what science calls Auditory hallucination has something to do with it and that kind of interference is for real. Anyway, his experience from that was not good, as that foreign consciousness was not of good nature. He moved to another city an year ago and I hope those things are not bothering him anymore.

Originally posted by zarch

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz
He's telling the truth, the Zeta Riticuli's thought emotion was a weakness. Therefore, they breed out that gene itself so it was removed. Now, their own race is dying. They lost the passion. They are trying to fix themselves and we HUMANS are the only ones that can save them because our DNA.

There are plenty of people who get information through the so called channels from alien beings, and there are plenty of cases where they were lied and fooled obviously. I personally know such a person, which is close to me and I trust and respect. I have heard his stories and those guys on the other side cannot be trusted. It is my choice not to trust information coming directly from those beings. I try to draw my conclusions from evidence left and people with different kind of experience on the issue that I can trust.

I would say, that a lot of that disinformation we get here comes from exactly this type of phenomena: telepathic channeling of information through certain people. Those people are maybe sincere themselves, but they are easily fooled as well.

I particularly quoted that part of the article because: 1. aliens are not just silently watching and 2. the good/bad aliens scenario is just reckless. So are the "good" aliens mutilating our people, or the "bad" ones? If it is the "bad" ones only that are doing it, what are the "good" ones doing about it - channeling information through people and just silently watching? I do not define that behavior "good" in any way. Why don't they channel the whole package then - what is really going on in the secret bases? That leads me again and again to the conclusion that this information is disinformation and cannot be trusted.

There are benevolent races, and what are they doing about it? We don't know, they are probably at war as we speak (see, you gotta see outside the box), but what is stopping these benevolent races from doing any action to stop any further abductions. Is that President Dwight Eisenhower made a treaty with the Greys in 1954. The Greys wanted to study the human body/mind. The U.S gov't wanted technology. Advance technology was exchanged and later on the greys broke the treaty. The gov't can't escape from this, we as a civilization are stuck in this situation. It was a treaty that started this whole thing.

reply to post by zarch


Thanks for responding, I hope you're friend has recovered from what ailed him.

I'm just wondering why, rather than worry that somebody has a developing mental illness, it gets taken seriously enough by some people to be used as evidence in a debate.

Talk of channeling destroys the credibility of any thread where it gets introduced. Along with talk of Nordics, pliedians, reptoids etc etc. Its this kind of 'UFO Lore Role Play' that prevents people from introducing others to this topic.

I'd best stop posting as i'm grumpier than usual. :-)

Originally posted by MasterOfSparkz
But of course there is the real possibility that it's just a meteorite fragment. I really don't know.

I think Dr Lear has had tests done by pretty reputable labs who drew this type of conclusion in terms of the sample not being from Earth. Funnily enough though, meteorite was the first though I had too....

Regarding MILABS, I intend to look into this a bit deeper. I don't think the whole of the abduction phenomenon can be explained by MILABS. Is it possible that MILABS are part of some weird program? Who knows. If you know anything about MK-ULTRA or have read The Men Who Stare at Goats not much will surprise you.

Review of "The Men Who Stare at Goats" from Publishers Weekly
This exploration of the U.S. military's flirtation with the supernatural is at once funny and tragic. It reads like fiction, with plenty of dialogue and descriptive detail, but as Ronson's investigation into the government's peculiar past doings creeps into the present-and into Iraq-it will raise goose bumps.

As Ronson reveals, a secret wing of the U.S. military called First Earth Battalion was created in 1979 with the purpose of creating "Warrior Monks," soldiers capable of walking through walls, becoming invisible, reading minds and even killing a goat simply by staring at it.

Some of the characters involved seem well-meaning enough, such as the hapless General Stubblebine, who is "confounded by his continual failure to walk through his wall." But Ronson (Them: Adventures with Extremists) soon learns that the Battalion's bizarre ideas inspired some alarming torture techniques being used in the present-day War on Terror. One technique involves subjecting prisoners to 24 hours of Barney the Purple Dinosaur's song, "I Love You," and another makes use of the Predator, a small, toy-like object designed by military martial arts master Pete Brusso that can inflict a large amount of pain in many different ways ("You can take eyeballs right out... with this bit," Brusso tells Ronson).

Ronson approaches the material with an open mind and a delightfully dry sense of humor, which makes this an entertaining, if unsettling, read. Indeed, as the events recounted here grow ever more curious-and the individuals Ronson meets more disturbing-it's necessary to remind oneself of Ronson's opening words: "This is a true story."

And people say conspiracy theorists are nuts!

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by MasterOfSparkz
But of course there is the real possibility that it's just a meteorite fragment. I really don't know.

I think Dr Lear has had tests done by pretty reputable labs who drew this type of conclusion in terms of the sample not being from Earth. Funnily enough though, meteorite was the first though I had too....

Regarding MILABS, I intend to look into this a bit deeper. I don't think the whole of the abduction phenomenon can be explained by MILABS. Is it possible that MILABS are part of some weird program? Who knows. If you know anything about MK-ULTRA or have read The Men Who Stare at Goats not much will surprise you.

Review of "The Men Who Stare at Goats" from Publishers Weekly
This exploration of the U.S. military's flirtation with the supernatural is at once funny and tragic. It reads like fiction, with plenty of dialogue and descriptive detail, but as Ronson's investigation into the government's peculiar past doings creeps into the present-and into Iraq-it will raise goose bumps.

As Ronson reveals, a secret wing of the U.S. military called First Earth Battalion was created in 1979 with the purpose of creating "Warrior Monks," soldiers capable of walking through walls, becoming invisible, reading minds and even killing a goat simply by staring at it.

Some of the characters involved seem well-meaning enough, such as the hapless General Stubblebine, who is "confounded by his continual failure to walk through his wall." But Ronson (Them: Adventures with Extremists) soon learns that the Battalion's bizarre ideas inspired some alarming torture techniques being used in the present-day War on Terror. One technique involves subjecting prisoners to 24 hours of Barney the Purple Dinosaur's song, "I Love You," and another makes use of the Predator, a small, toy-like object designed by military martial arts master Pete Brusso that can inflict a large amount of pain in many different ways ("You can take eyeballs right out... with this bit," Brusso tells Ronson).

Ronson approaches the material with an open mind and a delightfully dry sense of humor, which makes this an entertaining, if unsettling, read. Indeed, as the events recounted here grow ever more curious-and the individuals Ronson meets more disturbing-it's necessary to remind oneself of Ronson's opening words: "This is a true story."

And people say conspiracy theorists are nuts!

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Ignorant people

Originally posted by justwokeup
reply to post by zarch

 

Thanks for responding, I hope you're friend has recovered from what ailed him.

I'm just wondering why, rather than worry that somebody has a developing mental illness, it gets taken seriously enough by some people to be used as evidence in a debate.

Talk of channeling destroys the credibility of any thread where it gets introduced. Along with talk of Nordics, pliedians, reptoids etc etc. Its this kind of 'UFO Lore Role Play' that prevents people from introducing others to this topic.

I'd best stop posting as i'm grumpier than usual. :-)

You sure don;t sound "grumpy" to me. You sound like someone possessed by that rarer than rare restless spirit known as "common sense". Spooky stuff!

You are so right!

reply to post by MasterOfSparkzreply to post by justwokeup

Annoying isn't it. The sort of tripe posted above means I have probably wasted the effort posting what I have. Anyone with the sense to grasp it will most likely have stopped following the the thread once all the twoddle appeared. Never mind....

In case anyone is interested, these threads have a few interesting ideas in them.

Alien Abductions Debunked? The Secret Story of the CIA's Top Secret Program: MK-ULTRA

Alien Abduction/Visitation: Induction of Sleep Paralysis

CIA/US Army Secret Experiments.



What was I thinking trying to post "evidence" on this thread anyway.

Originally posted by Pimander
I think Dr Lear has had tests done by pretty reputable labs who drew this type of conclusion in terms of the sample not being from Earth. Funnily enough though, meteorite was the first though I had too....

It just makes no sense. Should be the highest profile science story of the next ten centuries, and yet, it doesn't(seem) even get the most minor of empiricle audiences stirred? Makes utterly, no sense whatsoever.

I also note, although carelessly due to my lack of real understanding, that the piece of material that seems most clearly represented within this analysis in terms of photos, merely represents a "fleck" of something or other, and in fact, it resembles the classic meteor shape. Possibly a subconscious suggestion at the behest of a quick visual imagination.

It's interesting to also note that what is referred to in the initial extracted item's description, as being some kind of a very small, yet longish, fragile, color changing, thing, that broke up into pieces that attempted to realign themselves, etc, etc, seem somewhat absent from the analysis itself.

Maybe we are talking something incredibly foreign, I just don't have the slightest clue, but the sum of the analysis is impressive to be certain. Bear in mind however, that "certainty", that relates my confident impression of the analysis, (that I truly appreciate you forwarding) is built on the same ignorance that readily admits as much from the "get go".

Regarding MILABS, I intend to look into this a bit deeper. I don't think the whole of the abduction phenomenon can be explained by MILABS. Is it possible that MILABS are part of some weird program? Who knows. If you know anything about MK-ULTRA or have read The Men Who Stare at Goats not much will surprise you.

This is the part that I take a great deal more interest in. It's VERY thought provoking information that you provided, however, like the seemingly infinite number of mysterious and intriguing pieces that make up this whole "one step beyond" reality check, that last little morsel of conspiratorial UFO subculture informational edification, just made the whole thing that much more koo koo fer coco puffs, rather than "ah, that makes sense" clearer. Why is that so routine in UFO subculture? It's like the old game "one step forward, two steps back". One starts longing for the new day of a REAL dawn of information, just about the time that the "one night stand" thrill of book learned UFO subculture, and all it's ever entertaining trappings, start getting old and familiar on a routine basis. It's just so predictably frustrating. But I do remain completely intrigued nonetheless, and I initially hypothetically agreed with the assessment that the author of the paper concluded with at it's close. The sad thing is that he begins by more or less stating that he has quite possibly since changed his views or mind on the whole nine. On reflection, there are quite a few wholes, but when isn't there?

BTW, you do realize how insane the idea of abducting the abducted sounds, don't you? I mean, why the heck not just approach the person, make them independently wealthy for life through a careful, legal channel in exchange for their cooperation? One that promises total discretion. These are EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE ordeals if they are anything. Why go to all that trouble just to make those within the abduction scenario unaware of whatever agency's interest? It also begs the question, why microwave information directly into someone's brain, when you can sit down, look someone in the eye and tell them face to face? Again, we are left with more questions and not a single real answer between us.

One last thing, if this secret group of alien abduction paranoid, helicopter wielding wackos, were actually out in populated areas, abducting people from homes with other people in them, at all hours of the night, you can damn well bet we'd KNOW it. The military is FAR too inept to get away with that for ANY length of time. Ever keep track of chopper statistics during military operations? Nuff said.

The abduction scenario is one MYSTERIOUS puppy. I have to believe that it's greatest enemy is the unqualified "paranormal researcher" because of how these little better than "snake oil sales men and women", that barely manage an intelligible blog, yet make a damn good living from their "paranormal research" activities, let their personal opinions and in MANY cases, utter delusion, taint the subjects they have interacted with. That truly disgusts me, and in fact, these same people should be held liable via some of their own admissions.

After reading Jaqcues Vallee, I think the abduction phenomenon is a consequence of two agendas if you will; (1) ET's monitoring our genetic development, and (2) ET's/inter-dimensionals that are mischevious and enjoy playing tricks on humanity.

If any of you have read "Dimensions", you would see countless witness accounts throughout history that are indicative of both of the aforementioned agendas.

The easy answer is to say there are lots of different types of ET's participating in the abduction phenomenon, and as such, it's impossible to discern one simple over-arching agenda or mission.

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz
There are benevolent races, and what are they doing about it? We don't know, they are probably at war as we speak (see, you gotta see outside the box), but what is stopping these benevolent races from doing any action to stop any further abductions. Is that President Dwight Eisenhower made a treaty with the Greys in 1954. The Greys wanted to study the human body/mind. The U.S gov't wanted technology. Advance technology was exchanged and later on the greys broke the treaty. The gov't can't escape from this, we as a civilization are stuck in this situation. It was a treaty that started this whole thing.

You have a point here I should agree.

Originally posted by justwokeup
reply to post by zarch

 

Thanks for responding, I hope you're friend has recovered from what ailed him.

I'm just wondering why, rather than worry that somebody has a developing mental illness, it gets taken seriously enough by some people to be used as evidence in a debate.

Talk of channeling destroys the credibility of any thread where it gets introduced. Along with talk of Nordics, pliedians, reptoids etc etc. Its this kind of 'UFO Lore Role Play' that prevents people from introducing others to this topic.

I'd best stop posting as i'm grumpier than usual. :-)

I agree on the point of that channeling stuff destroys credibility of UFO talk. Apparently my arguments were different, but we may expand further on possibilities.

Nowadays medical science calls it schizophrenia and other such names. But medical sciences is quite underdeveloped in the field of the human consciousness and human brain, and I think we are just labeling people mental because we do not want to admit and we ignore other possibilities. We should know that there is no real medical cure for those diseases. I think they are still treating mental patients with electroshock in some places, and this was still widespread some decades ago. The pills they give the patients do not have other purpose than suppressing the symptoms temporary by heavy drugging you.

There are cases as well when people get mental disease when going through traumatic events. Human mental state is fragile. We all get sometimes affected by emotions in certain events that we ourselves are looking. Later on we get back to our senses and everything is as usual. I am sure that in those cases we are not suffering mental disease. I believe our emotions interfere in a powerful way with our thinking and consciousness. At that time we feel those emotions on a body level as well, as some kind of dark energy is spreading throughout, making us feel sick. If science was indeed advanced in this regard - then they would have at least teach us in schools to control our negative emotions as this is not good for anyone - you may even hurt someone in this state. They do not teach us those things, so either they are way too underdeveloped and ignorant, or there is another plot out there. Anyway, I am going too off-topic now and those were just a couple of thoughts.

Originally posted by nusnus
Well they don't knock on your door and ask you questions.

They intrude in your space, in your thoughts if you're sensitive enough to notice it. They can tell that you notice. Then they try to manipulate you. You'll get nightmares or feel as it you're being coaxed into a different direction.
The reason I say manipulate is because you can sense that there is an intent, but the intent is not always to your advantage. They're never open about this intent, they tend to keep it to themselves and give you hardly any clues.

And just the fact that they target sensitive people shows they want something out of these people, something an average person cannot provide. Maybe they just like to mess around and entertain themselves with our naivete. But if I knew their motivations and original intent I wouldn't be here posting this. I'm still pondering on that.

I understand what you are talking about. I have heard the same stories from credible people. Those cases are probably quite wide-spread. My hypothesis is that they target those people for a number of reasons. First a more sensitive or psychic person can be labeled more easily mental. Secondly they are probably more easily interfered and weak in this regard. There is the possibility that they are more easily fooled and accepting that interference initially, thinking that they can benefit somehow. Later on they realize that there is no benefit, but only damage done to them. As for the intent and motivations I believe that once those beings get control over your consciousnesses they benefit somehow from that - probably extracting some valuable substances from the body of the victim. It is common that people that have this kind of state, are getting progressively physically weaker and weaker, to a point where their condition is very poor. This is the reason I think there can be some extraction going on. But there can be more to it like replacing you in a way, that their consciousness takes control, and there is no more you, but them. In any way, it is something truly evil.

The Gnostics were part of the network of ancient mystery schools across the globe - they quite clearly describe 'alien abductions' - and more importantly just who the aliens are, and what their agenda is:

The Nag Hammadi material contains reports of visionary experiences of the initiates, including first-hand encounters with inorganic beings called Archons. Gnostic teaching explains that these entities arose in the early stage of formation of the solar system, before the Earth was formed. Archons inhabit the solar system, the extraterrestrial realm as such, but they can intrude on Earth. Interestingly, this Gnostic insight accords closely with the view of Jacques Vallee, who maintains that ET/cyborgs probably belong to the local planetary realm. Vallee also proposes that the ET/UFO enigma is a “spiritual control system,” a phenomenon that “behaves like a conditioning process.” (Messengers of Deception).

This is exactly what Gnostics said about the Archons: they can affect our minds by subliminal conditioning techniques. Their main tactics are mental error (intellectual virus, or false ideology, especially religious doctrines) and simulation. Archons are predatory, unlike a wide range of non-human and other-dimensional beings also know to the Gnostics, beings who are benevolent or neutral toward humanity. Physical descriptions of Archons occur in several Gnostic codices. Two types are clearly identified: a neonate or embryonic type, and a draconic or reptilian type. Obviously, these descriptions fit the Greys and Reptilians of contemporary reports to a T. Or I should say, to an ET.

Delving into the Gnostic materials, it is quite a shock to discover that ancient seers detected and investigated the problem of alien intrusion during the first century CE, and certainly well before. (The Mysteries date from many centuries before the Christian Era.) What is amazing about the Gnostic theory of the Archons is not only the cosmological background (explaining the origin of these entities and the reason for their enmeshment with humanity), but the specificity of information on the alien m.o., describing how they operate and what they want from us. For one thing, Gnostics taught that these entities envy us and feed on our fear.

Above all, they attempt to keep us from claiming and evolving our “inner light,” the gift of divine intelligence within. While I would not claim that Gnostic teachings on the Archons, or what remains of such teachings, have all the answers to the ET/UFO enigma, one thing is clear: they present a coherent and comprehensive analysis of alien intrusion, as well as specific practices for resisting it. They are far more complete and sophisticated than any theory in discussion today. Read more: meta-religion.com...

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