Abduction Phenomenon. What are the motivations?

While few mainstream scientists believe the phenomenon literally occurs for real, there is little doubt that many apparently sincere persons report alien abductions believing in them as genuine. Fear of ridicule and self-doubt may be obstacles to more widespread study and/or reporting of these abduction cases. Some abduction reports are quite detailed and this is what creeps me out the most, this and the fact that you can see the fear and shock in their reactions when confronted with remembering the experience once again.

What do you guys make out of these abductions? Are they real? Are they hypnagogic hallucinations due to sleep paralysis? Demonic in nature?

If real what is the agenda behind them? Scientific study? a sick pleasure in feeling the fear and impotence of the abductee or maybe a way to feed on emotions (energy vampires) ?

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It's all about the probing of the nether regions. They might have started out as scientific experiments but it's been going on for so long now that it has moved to just plain entertainment. IMO

Hell of a hobby tho...

Freaks!



PS. I wrote a letter to them awhile back addressing this exact issue, among others.
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PSS. On a more serious note, this would have to be the most horrifying thing that can happen to a human being. Abduction for whatever the reason. At least at the onset until the reasons were known. And then we can only guess.

SnF

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I'd say scientific study for sure...and also possibly to create a hybrid race for the future?

I can't imagine going through what some have gone through, and still stay relatively sane.

I used to joke around a lot when I got fed up with this world that I wished aliens would come and get me...

After reading some first hand accounts of abductions..I feel so stupid for ever joking around about such a thing.

Black Ops and Co-op program for their terrible eugenics and trans human experimenting, clones, hybrids, that has going on in underground bases around this planet for some time, and if a country is your enemy like Cuba, with the US miltary booted, they're in there deep underground. The surface is all show.

For Ets corporal ones, use the dna themselves. Ets also use this dna to create AI hybrid body suits they can interact through in our world.

Experiences are different and depend on the spirit of the person, their awareness and unconditional love, what they remember or are shown.

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Dear Picollo30

I do not think we can figure out why ET is doing this if he is.

However I consider a much more important question is this.

Why with the amount of cases reported and perhaps far more that are not.

Is this not being properly investigated??????????????????

This is a difficult subject in my opinion, because there are multiple possibilities, each one of which could be plausible. What I would like to see are statistics on people reporting abductions over the years, because rising numbers around the time the subject of aliens became popular could indicate that many abductions are simply sleep paralysis, experienced as an alien abduction simply because the topic was becoming more widespread.

If these abductions are indeed occurring on a regular basis, it is difficult for me to pinpoint a good, logical reason. The most common that I hear, medical experiments, seem a bit strange to say the least. A race who has advanced far enough to master interstellar travel surely would have a much more detailed understanding of the biology and chemistry necessary for life, so I think they would have learned all they would have needed to from just a handful of specimens. There are other reasons involving this thinking, but for the sake of time I will skip to the next.

Another common explanation I hear is that they are doing some sort of inter-breeding experiment using humans. This to me seems much more likely, although it begs the question...why? I wouldn't think they were engineering a slave race, since their level of advancement suggests that they have the moral integrity necessary to not destroy themselves. Could this be the only way they can repopulate their race? This to seems far-fetched in my opinion, assuming advanced medical knowledge.

Could alien experiments have to do with DNA? DNA, being such a highly ordered structure, definitely holds many secrets to us here on Earth, and it would likely be of interest to an advanced species, because their DNA would differ from ours. Is it possible to have life without DNA? I personally do not know, and I don't think anyone can really know, since our knowledge is limited. Species of animals could exist on other worlds, who breathe carbon dioxide or something, and the possibilities are probably great in number.

Could abduction experiences simply be hallucinations? I highly doubt this to be the case, given the number of reports that exist, and I find it unlikely for hallucinations to exist on such a massive scale, in different parts of the world.

Could abductions be paranormal in nature? Meaning ghosts, spirits, or even demonic entities? Given what I know of the subject, this is actually a possibility. If aliens, at some point in the past, started to become part of the masses' subconscious database, or the collective unconscious, it is possible that any entities who have the ability to interact with our world could take on these forms, knowing exactly how the abducted would explain the experience. But how does this account for the experience of being on a "spaceship," in a medical room, with medical procedures being done, sometimes even grotesque procedures, if the encounter is simply a paranormal experience?

I will stop there because the possibilities are just too many. It is so difficult to come to a conclusion with the current evidence, or lack thereof, and I think everyone will come to their own personal conclusions based on what they believe, which is related to the lack of evidence, largely ruling out the process of the scientific method.

I am wondering how many homeless go missing every year. traveling from city to city alone in the night ?
Are the aliens trying to help us or we on the menu ?
Could it be like the Nazi experements on the Jews ? Perhaps thats OK since they have something the government wants..


keys to a starship

Who will miss the homeless ..I wonder puz:




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However I consider a much more important question is this.
Why with the amount of cases reported and perhaps far more that are not.
Is this not being properly investigated??????????????????

Because the ones who would investigate it, already know who the perpetrators are.

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Dear Apokalypsis

Yes and indeed that is the point is it not.

When did they give up on Blue Book, 1969 or something like that? Not a problem and no threat.

Abductions at best a massive medically psychological problem and no investigation?

It certainly make you wonder why there are conspiracy theorists.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
,,,Could abductions be paranormal in nature? Meaning ghosts, spirits, or even demonic entities? Given what I know of the subject, this is actually a possibility. If aliens, at some point in the past, started to become part of the masses' subconscious database, or the collective unconscious, it is possible that any entities who have the ability to interact with our world could take on these forms, knowing exactly how the abducted would explain the experience...

You may not be a spelling bee champ lol, but your deductive skills and critical questions are pretty impressive. And I have to concur that the particular hypothesis above becomes the more attractive the longer one looks at the issue.

While it doesn't preclude visitors from another planet, Dr. Jacques Valle's work alone has surely shown in academic overkill that the abduction phenomena, in it's core experience, is ages old amongst mankind and that "alien" abductions are just an extenuation of this phenomena--psychological or preternatural as the case may be--in modernized Sci-Fi trappings.

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The short answer is that some abduction experiences are two fold. They are collecting info from us, and they are supplying info to some abductees. The data they collect from us is done in a very untypical manner: anal probes. This can be seen as a form of an exhaustive enema. (No pun intended.) I have zero medical knowledge, but I suspect that an analysis (no pun intended) of bowel material can give an extremely detailed state of that particular body far, far beyond our typical method of doing a "blood workup." So in effect, yes, it is a "medical exam." Nothing beyond our understanding of what we subject ourselves to when we visit an MD or hospital for various kinds of tests.

Second, having undergone a transformation of my own, from a full-blooded redneck to a partitime liberal, I believe they provide or cause a mind to awaken to a whole new world of concepts and possibilities.

Third, I believe they are degenderizing us by changing our DNA. Those of us who have had prior occcurrances in the family, I believe are being given followup examinations and tests.

I have always wondered, if abductions do indeed occur, are the people abducted chosen for a reason? Do the aliens think the ones they abduct posses something special they are looking for? Or are they chosen randomly? Like, why them and not me? (And based on the abduction stories I have read, I am in no way envious that aliens are over looking me. :p)


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I've had sleep paralysis four times so far, none of them major though.

I don't recall ever having sleep paralysis, but have been abducted and had experiences as well that were more positive. I've had my hands and arms heavy feeling when they thought I was interfering and had an altered state during medical checkups. My youngest son had sleep paralysis, with hooded beings around him, touching him with a wand everytime he tried to move, that was like a punch in the gut. He was terrified, broke out of it with determination, ran down stairs and threw the blanket on the floor thinking it had paralyzed him, then told me the rest. My second oldest now 19, had several episodes of missing time while up and memories/dreams, including seeing a grey at the glass sliding doors, as I have done as well while awake in the evening, and for him in the early morning. But neither he nor I have had sleep paralysis.

Originally posted by Shawny2222
I have always wondered, if abductions do indeed occur, are the people abducted chosen for a reason? Do the aliens think the ones they abduct posses something special they are looking for? Or are they chosen randomly? Like, why them and not me? (And based on the abduction stories I have read, I am in no way envious that aliens are over looking me. :p)

 

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I have the same question. Have any doctors, scientists been abducted before? They could explain the phenomenon in a much better way.

Originally posted by Shawny2222
I have always wondered, if abductions do indeed occur, are the people abducted chosen for a reason? Do the aliens think the ones they abduct posses something special they are looking for? Or are they chosen randomly? Like, why them and not me? (And based on the abduction stories I have read, I am in no way envious that aliens are over looking me. :p)

 

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I have the same question. Have any doctors, scientists been abducted before? They could explain the phenomenon in a much better way.

My dad has been abducted and he says he had Sleep Paralysis. I think i been abducted too. One time i went to sleep i woke up and everything was normal than my mom was like "Were you trying to sneak out yesterday?" I said no and i was wondering why she would ask this and then she said "I heard sounds at 4 in the morning and it sounds like someone was trying to get out of the room but then i checked my windows and they all were locked. So i dont know.

I have to go with Carl Sagan about abductions. Obviously, these aliens must
be superior in genetics so all they would need is some blood & sperm samples
then they could do whatever variations they wanted. Makes more sense than
going through all that trouble of materializing through walls & potentially being
found out. Also, how can a superior technology not completely erase the memories?

Sagan did the math & determined that abductions would be taking place world-wide
every few seconds. For some reason, they prefer Americans.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
Could alien experiments have to do with DNA? DNA, being such a highly ordered structure, definitely holds many secrets to us here on Earth, and it would likely be of interest to an advanced species, because their DNA would differ from ours. Is it possible to have life without DNA?

No, the abduction phenomenon has nothing to do with DNA. This is a complete and utter red herring in my opinion.

How do I know this?

The majority of what happens in an abduction experience has nothing to do with how you would harvest DNA. There are far easier ways to collect DNA. In molecular genetics if we want a DNA sample, we only need a few human cells. We certainly don't need to go and abduct someone and subject them to an anal probe.

MILABS (military abductions) have also occurred. These have nothing to do with DNA either in my view.

A hypothetical species interested in our DNA would either be DNA based OR interested in Earth DNA for other reasons. If they were DNA based they would be sufficiently advanced in molecular genetics to know the above and would not need to abduct. Other reasons for the interest might be to study Earth or they created us. Either way there is still no need to subject humans to the abduction ordeal as again they would be sufficiently advanced to know it would not be required.

There are some interesting ideas put forward in this thread but you will have to read beyond the OP. Alien Abduction/Visitation: Induction of Sleep Paralysis

There are certainly paranormal elements to the phenomenon. However there are also reports on less paranormal encounters such as waking encounters. This may indicate more that one type phenomena have been merged into one in the popular imagination. It gets complicated.

OK here is a possible theory. The alien abduction phenomenon first entered the public psych in 1961 (although there are many ancient tales that appear to describe similar events throught history) and from that point they appear to have become more and more common until a decrease began to occur in reports from around 1997. Dolly the sheep was born in July 1996, the first cloned animal (known to the public anyway) cloned from an adult cell.
I belive the decrease in reported events and the begining of the first succesful clones around the same time could be very significant. Project the human race a few thousand years into the future and imagine what we may have become. After thousands of years of choosing what colour eyes your baby should have, what colour hair you want your child to have, the eradication of certain genes that cause baldness or even desease, screening and DNA correction through cloning technuiqes while still in the test tube (I'll come to this), what would happen to the Human genome ?
If eventually Humans cease reproducing through natural methods (maybe not stopping sexual activity just reproduction through birth control) choosing instead to have their babies grown using dna and tissue from both parents, wouldn't nature remove the ability to reproduce? If Humans decided that artificial pregnancy was safer than natural pregnancy because in an artificial womb the embryo could be corrected and cleansed of any defects, creating a perfect human to specification then surely under the theory of evolution the ability to reproduce would gradually disapear as it is no longer being used (we have evolved other means of reproducing). Remember we are talking thousands and thousands of years here so our physical appearance would also change to suit the climate that we live in at that time.
Ok, so humans can no longer reproduce and they are now in effect sterile, they are left making copies of copies of copies. Now we all know what happens when we take a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, it becomes fainter and fainter, each reproduction being of inferior quality to the last. So at this point you need new DNA and tisue samples in order to create new humans that match as close as possible the pure humans that existed just prior to cloning experimentation began.
If we asume that by this point in the future we have perfected time travel or interdimensional travel (traveling back to a parallel time line) then obtaining the tissue and samples would be easy, it's just a matter of nipping back in time and abducting a few primitave humans. Except you want your timeline chosen carefully, too far back and you could introduce desease and imperfections that were wiped out by the time that cloning experiments began. If you don't go back far enough then you may not have that pure DNA that you wanted and could end up with contamination from Gene therapy and the like. So they choose to decrease abductions around the time of the first cloning experiments 1996 and start abductions 35 years previous to this, giving them a good time frame to collect as much DNA and human tissue as possible. They may also decide to travel further back and abduct a few ancient humans too in an attempt to understand human evolution more fully but this perhaps would not be the primary objective of the program.

This is just an idea of course, but it may be answer to the question what is the motivation