Abduction Phenomenon. What are the motivations?

Apart from the Alien, Et gloss these abductions are no different from the age old phenomina of faerie abductions, incubi, succubi, demonic visitations etc - including probes, crop circles, mutilations, baby stealing and implants.

And no - they wern't aliens all along!

reply to post by zarch

As I say, I don't think that abductions are connected with the DNA stuff. Why would I need to give an alien a guided tour of hybrid animals and hybrid aliens if all I wanted was a DNA sample? I wouldn't obviously. There has to be something else "motivating" abductions.

Hybrids, cloning programs and the rest may exist. For me though, I see no reason why that would require abductions like the ones experienced. It just makes no sense.


NOTE: I was using the papers to illustrate different angles on this. I am certainly not saying I agree with any particular author. Admittedly, I do find it fascinating to see how complex this topic is.

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Alright, I think I got your point. We were partially talking about different things, so the misunderstanding.

Anyway, indeed, this is a vast topic. And the source of motivation for the different participants is probably quite different. Humans working together with aliens in those secret facilities - they would most probably be motivated by different things. I placed the focused on the alien motivation, with the premise that they are on top of their hierarchy. But even the so called Grays may have different motivation that the other alien species involved in that sinister plot.

In my opinion humans should have human nature, and this includes bits of kindness, dignity, virtue and so on. In this sense I am not sure we may call the people involved in the abductions humans anymore, since they've lost all those qualities already. If there are evil demons, then those people are the evil demons of this place. Killing people in this extent and brutality, also existing in other places of this world and other circumstances (Africa, China, etc.), I hope and I wish there will be end to all of this and our next generations will live in a better world free of that kind of monstrosity.

Originally posted by Pimander
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As I say, I don't think that abductions are connected with the DNA stuff. Why would I need to give an alien a guided tour of hybrid animals and hybrid aliens if all I wanted was a DNA sample? I wouldn't obviously. There has to be something else "motivating" abductions.

Hybrids, cloning programs and the rest may exist. For me though, I see no reason why that would require abductions like the ones experienced. It just makes no sense.

edit on 5/7/11 by Pimander because: typo

NOTE: I was using the papers to illustrate different angles on this. I am certainly not saying I agree with any particular author. Admittedly, I do find it fascinating to see how complex this topic is.

edit on 5/7/11 by Pimander because: Add note.

The Greys are creating a hybrid for themselves to put their souls in. They are TRYING to put soul into these hybrids, but they easily die off. The greys are a dying race and us HUMANS, are the only ones who can save them because of our genetics thats made up of 22 different races. We are considered loyalty to these benevolent races. The Greys are the opposite who will violate our free will and do anything to get their hands on us. Why is there so much attention here on Earth? It's cause of us, and what we are capable of doing.

HazyChestNutz you say they are a dying race, but how did they manage to survive this long without humans (assuming the abduction phenomenon is relatively recent, let's say end of WWII)? So they are what, are they copies of copies of copies? If so why not continuing the cloning/copying process that worked so well?

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What do you mean without humans? The existance of humans lasted millions of years? You think these races have just appeared out of thin air at the middle of all this?

You have to realize some E.T races can live up to thousand of years. The grey race has a small population, the rest are robotic/organic clones. Most of witnesses are basically seeing organic clones who do most of their dirty work.

People in this thread talk about alien races (like the "greys") as if they are real and commonly accepted creatures. I ask, like always, where is the evidence for all of this information or is it pure conjecture with no basis in reality?

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en.wikipedia.org...

Abductees, people, Abductees....

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here: the history of the greys from channelers WHO KNOW (this is no joke)

www.galactic-server.com...

Originally posted by Turiddu
(W)here is the evidence for all of this information or is it pure conjecture with no basis in reality?

There's quite a bit really. I won't fill up 20 pages of the thread though. It could all be lies, but then what an incredibly elaborate hoax/conspiracy we have to study.

Humanoid Sighting Reports & Journal of Humanoid Studies (Compiled by Albert Rosales)

Or there is this one deathbed affidavit. There are others.

2002 SEALED AFFIDAVIT OF WALTER G. HAUT

DATE: December 26, 2002

WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx

NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan

(1) My name is Walter G. Haut

(2) I was born on June 2, 1922

(3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203

(4) I am retired.

(5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town.

(6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate.

(7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more.

(8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris.

(9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished.

(10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch Northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch.

(11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out."

(12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, port holes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible.

(13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height.

(14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies.

(15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive).

(16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again.

(17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office.

(18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence.

(19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space.

(20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection.

Signed: Walter G. Haut

December 26, 2002

Signature witnessed by:

Chris Xxxxxxx
Affadavit of Walter G. Haut

On Roswell:

Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by A51Watcher
In the period between Randle and Schmitt's first and second book, I asked Kevin how many witnesses we had so far. The answer was: 500+ first and second hand witnesses to either craft, wreckage or bodies[at Roswell, 1947].

According to Schmitt and Carey, they now have 600+ witnesses. They also have a deathbed affadavit from a key witness since you asked Randle. See Witness to Roswell
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the testimony of many whistleblowers and witnesses isn't pure fabrication, the US secret services and military have the proof. They just haven't disclosed it to the public.

Take a look at witness testimony on Roswell and several other saucer crashes. Take a look at the Disclosure Project, Project Camalot etc. You may not agree with the conclusions of the guys running those projects or like the fact that they may have made money, but that does not mean all the whistle blowers are liars.

You either think they're all lying, they've all been cleverly deceived or the proof is hidden from you. You decide.... But for God's sake, look at the evidence first!

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz
The Greys are creating a hybrid for themselves to put their souls in. They are TRYING to put soul into these hybrids, but they easily die off. The greys are a dying race and us HUMANS, are the only ones who can save them because of our genetics thats made up of 22 different races. We are considered loyalty to these benevolent races. The Greys are the opposite who will violate our free will and do anything to get their hands on us. Why is there so much attention here on Earth? It's cause of us, and what we are capable of doing.

I have to agree with the soul part you present. My conclusions are definitely the same. I have not research too much the true human origin topic myself, and that is an interesting one definitely.

I still think the dying race part is of question for me. It can be true, but I think there is more to it. I will try to expand more on the issue.

There is much information on the topic of humans having some extra abilities, like remote viewing, telepathy and so on. The military in US, the Soviet Union and other countries have researched that topic for years. Everyone have heard some stories of more gifted children and so on. If that is the case (which apparently modern science denies because of the consequences of Darwin's evolution theory), then those should be abilities that our bodies inherently posses. The big presence of different martial arts, meditation and self-healing practices in the eastern world during the centuries is definitely connected to those. Those were suppressed in the last century to a big extend, like the Cultural Revolution in China, or the invasive modern technological western way of thinking, but there is still huge amount of evidence that can be found in those countries. There were scientific institutes researching that phenomena there as well.

Now back on the topic, having said that some of us may posses those kinds of abilities, then that leads to the conclusion that human origins can be much more complex than what we imagine. This make me thing that those grays are trying to put their hands on our bodies exactly for that reason. Just a theory.

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Dont mind him hes a Disinfo Agent. I messaged him about it and he didnt even try to convince me he wasnt.

Originally posted by kauskau
here: the history of the greys from channelers WHO KNOW (this is no joke)

www.galactic-server.com...

This lady gets her information as a channel, establishing some kind of telepathic connection with the aliens. Well, if we assume she is telling the truth, then that information cannot be still trusted fully. The "bad" grays obviously have done very terrible things, which puts their moral level quite below the trust line.

Never forget that there are different factions of the Zeta beings. Some of them are very altruistic. There are others who are here purely for their own reasons and those reasons can be either positive or negative or any shade in between. As an overall idea, they want certain things from you they feel they lack. You see, they think they have made some mistakes in what they have eliminated through cloning. They are now trying to watch you and learn how they can successfully integrate these things within themselves.

Okay, so they are sitting there and just watching quietly. This is simply not true. Then we have the good cop and bad cop scenario. I can't buy that, sorry...

Originally posted by zarch

Originally posted by kauskau
here: the history of the greys from channelers WHO KNOW (this is no joke)

www.galactic-server.com...

This lady gets her information as a channel, establishing some kind of telepathic connection with the aliens. Well, if we assume she is telling the truth, then that information cannot be still trusted fully. The "bad" grays obviously have done very terrible things, which puts their moral level quite below the trust line.

Never forget that there are different factions of the Zeta beings. Some of them are very altruistic. There are others who are here purely for their own reasons and those reasons can be either positive or negative or any shade in between. As an overall idea, they want certain things from you they feel they lack. You see, they think they have made some mistakes in what they have eliminated through cloning. They are now trying to watch you and learn how they can successfully integrate these things within themselves.

Okay, so they are sitting there and just watching quietly. This is simply not true. Then we have the good cop and bad cop scenario. I can't buy that, sorry...

He's telling the truth, the Zeta Riticuli's thought emotion was a weakness. Therefore, they breed out that gene itself so it was removed. Now, their own race is dying. They lost the passion. They are trying to fix themselves and we HUMANS are the only ones that can save them because our DNA.

Originally posted by zarch

Originally posted by MasterOfSparkz
I should know better than to ask as much, but could you please provide substantiation to the effect you actually know what you are talking about here, and are not just repeating what you have read elsewhere?

Well, I understand what you mean and we are going to get there, but I would like to start elsewhere.

Knowing what you are talking about is not contradictory to just repeating something read elsewhere. They can be both true at the same time. It is like when you go to school to learn some maths, you read some schoolbooks, your teacher tells you some theorems. At the end you may share what you've learned in a maths forum for example. You know what you are talking about and you are actually repeating what you have read elsewhere. Thus, no contradiction here.

First off, thank you for responding. I should NOT have stated "know what you are talking about", I should have stated, "do you have information that has been confirmed by scientific sources" That's honestly what I meant. I will state however, that "Math" and "Alien Abduction" are not good comparative examples. Why? Because everything within conventional mathematics is proved, and therefore what you repeat can be trusted, whereas nothing within the alien abduction scenario has been proved at this point to the best of my knowledge. That's what I mean by "know". The only way a person can "know" something from a scientific stand point, is if they can duplicate, repeat, or fully explain a given process wherein much evidence is claimed and accepted in support of such knowledge.

It is usually an issue of trust of the source of information and some personal experience as well. For example you may trust your maths teacher, but you may not trust your biology teacher. The biology teacher on the other hand may think he knows quite well what he is talking about, but he may still not be trusted if his knowledge has omissions at core propositions level.

My "trust" has been shattered because time and time again, human nature has been proved to be unreliable and deceptive. I would most like to do away with the trust issue because frankly, this stuff is WAY TOO EASY TO BELIEVE. I have to believe that why a good number of authors have made a KILLING from the "Alien Abduction" theme, is basically the irresistible intriguing nature of the subject matter.

If we go further, if you think your source of information can be trusted and you want to investigate further, you may start with double checking the information with other sources. If you have some kind of personal, even peripheral experience, you start to form an idea what you have to look for further. Keeping your mind open, and detecting and inspecting every logical contradiction encountered. Then you just have to keep researching the topic and enrich your knowledge.

I still see this as "no guarantee" of good info. Just more "gut feelings" and that is not all a bad thing, it just ends up leaving us right where we started, with all kinds of unanswered questions and missing information.

Anyway, my posting on the topic was not with the purpose of presenting evidence, but instead some of the people here can find the info I present interesting to them and complementary to what they already know. Everyone can double check on his own, do his research, and come up with even more interesting ideas and conclusions.

"information that is complementary to what they already know" with respect for this "Abduction" scenario is typically anything but complimentary, and in fact, is almost always contradictory with respect to basic logic as well as other abduction reports. That's because there as many people claiming that "They Know", when in reality, not a single one has clear and concise evidence of any nature whatsoever. That bothers me TREMENDOUSLY. You know why? Because it was me lining their pockets for about 20 years and they damn sure should have something to show for it other than a new book next month. Know what I mean?

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I am reading, contemplating and will reply concerning the information that you have provided. Thanks!

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Thanks for the post as well. I do think that we should not look at the abduction from a scientific point of view at first place. This is a criminology issue mostly. We are talking about huge atrocities against our human race.

But the whole point is that we are not living in a free world anymore. The governments of our countries are extremely corrupted - there is no doubt about that, especially in this forum. Can we trust the governments to do a proper criminology investigation on the abductions? That sounds like a joke, right?

If our governments were not secretly involved in the abductions, if we were living in a free world and proper criminal investigation was taking place then a lot of evidence is out there: human implants, cattle mutilations, citizen reports, and so on and so forth. So yes, there is plenty of evidence alone.

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz
He's telling the truth, the Zeta Riticuli's thought emotion was a weakness. Therefore, they breed out that gene itself so it was removed. Now, their own race is dying. They lost the passion. They are trying to fix themselves and we HUMANS are the only ones that can save them because our DNA.

There are plenty of people who get information through the so called channels from alien beings, and there are plenty of cases where they were lied and fooled obviously. I personally know such a person, which is close to me and I trust and respect. I have heard his stories and those guys on the other side cannot be trusted. It is my choice not to trust information coming directly from those beings. I try to draw my conclusions from evidence left and people with different kind of experience on the issue that I can trust.

I would say, that a lot of that disinformation we get here comes from exactly this type of phenomena: telepathic channeling of information through certain people. Those people are maybe sincere themselves, but they are easily fooled as well.

I particularly quoted that part of the article because: 1. aliens are not just silently watching and 2. the good/bad aliens scenario is just reckless. So are the "good" aliens mutilating our people, or the "bad" ones? If it is the "bad" ones only that are doing it, what are the "good" ones doing about it - channeling information through people and just silently watching? I do not define that behavior "good" in any way. Why don't they channel the whole package then - what is really going on in the secret bases? That leads me again and again to the conclusion that this information is disinformation and cannot be trusted.

From my personal experiences and those around me, I can tell one thing clearly, is that grey's are not interested in average people. They go for highly sensitive, even psychic people. And I know its for purposes of manipulation. But the reason behind this manipulation is speculative. Anyone who has further information in this direction is welcome to post. Assuming they would actually take the risk of posting so.

Originally posted by nusnus
From my personal experiences and those around me, I can tell one thing clearly, is that grey's are not interested in average people. They go for highly sensitive, even psychic people. And I know its for purposes of manipulation. But the reason behind this manipulation is speculative. Anyone who has further information in this direction is welcome to post. Assuming they would actually take the risk of posting so.

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In what sense do you mean "they are interested in" - like interested in abducting those people, or something else? And you say for the "purpose of manipulation". Can you elaborate more on what type of manipulation are you talking about?