Michele Bachmann's Husband Says Gays are 'Barbarians' That Need to be 'Disciplined'

Here is an introduction to the Reverend on that Soulforce page you posted

He is also the author of The Bible in Human Transformation (Fortress, 1973), Transforming Bible Study (Abingdon, second edition, 1990), and other works, including 134 articles.

And then from the article by the Reverend himself, first he says that the bible doesn't really teach that homosexuality is abomination and the reason for God to destroy the city, and this is also the same thing I hear over and over by Christian apologetics who want to get around the issue.

Some passages that have been advanced as pertinent to the issue of homosexuality are, in fact, irrelevant. One is the attempted gang rape in Sodom (Gen. 19:1-29). That was a case of ostensibly heterosexual males intent on humiliating strangers by treating them "like women," thus demasculinizing them. (This is also the case in a similar account in Judges 19-21.) Their brutal behavior has nothing to do with the problem of whether genuine love expressed between consenting adults of the same sex is legitimate or not

after which he proceeds to explain away another biblical passage by going on about semen. And then he tries to say that the Hebrew community was too patriarchal.

In addition, when a man acted like a woman sexually, male dignity was compromised. It was a degradation, not only in regard to himself, but for every other male. The patriarchalism of Hebrew culture shows its hand in the very formulation of the commandment, since no similar stricture was formulated to forbid homosexual acts between females.

Imagine that, a Christian Methodist slamming the ancient Hebrews.

Now, here is his specific reference on murdering gays(did you read any of this at all?)

Whatever the rationale for their formulation, however, the texts leave no room for maneuvering. Persons committing homosexual acts are to be executed. This is the unambiguous command of Scripture. The meaning is clear: anyone who wishes to base his or her beliefs on the witness of the Old Testament must be completely consistent and demand the death penalty for everyone who performs homosexual acts. (That may seem extreme, but there actually are some Christians urging this very thing today.) It is unlikely that any American court will ever again condemn a homosexual to death, even though Scripture clearly commands it.

So, there it is Annee, your Religious Humanist Christian apologetics minister.

Originally posted by nuttin4U
. . . evil agenda!

Evil agenda?

God help me! And I don't even believe in a god.

i'm only religious because i said something you dont agree with. Had i quoted something differently...you wouldnt be calling me religious. Such is the case. This is just another example of how the 'gay community' justifies it's actions. Again, i said it once, and it bears repeating. LIVE BY THE SWORD, DIE BY THE SWORD! America certainly has enjoyed the 'living' part of the sword, now...let's see how much you like the death of it.

Hey, i know....imma go out and bang all the chicks i can. Pfft on God's word. Who cares if i slip into something, and catch a STD! No biggie. I want to LIVE IT UP!!! WOOOO-WHOOOO! Heterosexual pride, baby! How's that feel?

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And neither do the people pushing forth the agenda. Know what you're standing for, before you stand for it!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Here is an introduction to the Reverend on that Soulforce page you posted

And the problem is?

The problem is you did not bother to read most of the article you yourself posted as you clearly are completely ignorant of the entire dialogue in it. You clearly believe that he speaks the truth when he says some Christians are calling for the death penalty of gays. What nonsense! The guy is completely outrageous. He is a methodist minister and yet he is completely trashing the OT and saying the passages are irrelevant, plus he has attempted to put his own (liberal Progressive) spin on them. He has vilified his fellow Christians for the sake of being pc. Perhaps he is really a false pastor. Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing. Jesus said to be wise as serpents, yet harmless as doves.
It appears that in your hatred of Christianity, you fail to have even a remote understanding of it. You also seem completely unaware of the element of infiltration of Marxists in the Church. An acquaintance of mine from Brazil has told me numerous times about this very issue of Marxism in the Catholic Church, and she has spent a lot of time in the seminary. There is such a thing as religious Humanism. That is, replacing the Absolute with some kind of half-zzzzd idea of moral relativity.

Here, I'll help you out with some defining of religious humanism. Let's just have a quick look at wikipedia for fast reference

A Humanist Manifesto, also known as Humanist Manifesto I to distinguish it from later Humanist Manifestos, was written in 1933 primarily by Raymond Bragg and was published with thirty-four signatories. Unlike the later ones, the first manifesto talked of a new "religion", and referred to humanism as a religious movement meant to transcend and replace previous, deity-based religions. However, it is careful not to outline a creed or dogma. The document outlines a fifteen-point belief system, which, in addition to a secular outlook, opposes "acquisitive and profit-motivated society" and outlines a worldwide egalitarian society based on voluntary mutual cooperation.

The Fellowship of Humanity was founded in 1935 by Reverend A. D. Faupel as one of a handful of "humanist churches" seeded in the early 20th century as part of the American Religious Humanism movement. It was the only such organization to survive into the 21st century and is the first and oldest affiliate of the American Humanist Association.[3]

In 1961, Webster's Third New International Unabridged Dictionary defined religious humanism as "A modern American movement composed chiefly of non-theistic humanists and humanist churches and dedicated to achieving the ethical goals of religion without beliefs and rites resting upon superstition."

en.wikipedia.org...

Sounds a lot like religion without real religion. It's just a bunch of human opinions and relative moral values. I told you that humanism is based on moral relativity. That is part of the definition.


Here is an excerpt from an address at a religious humanist conference, and the whole address thoroughly reeks of Marxist collective ideology, and so sickening. This guy defines his religion as that of the individual only finding himself in the collective. Sound like anyone we know? Oh yah Obama.....the Marxist President
thespiritualsanctuary.org...

If the older humanism over-emphasized the individual and individualism to the neglect of community, the new religious humanism regards the individual as fully human only within community, a community of caring and responsible people. One of the major differences between secular humanism and religious humanism is that religious humanism emphasizes the importance of the covenanted religious community

Originally posted by Annee
Well my brain is now having brain farts of blasts of ignorance.

And "Two Fat Ladies" can cook is on TV now. So funny. (too bad one died).

Later.

Oh too bad you left before you had a chance to read a real discourse on religious humanism, of which you are obviously not aware of but seem to resonate with.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The problem is you did not bother to read most of the article you yourself posted as you clearly are completely ignorant of the entire dialogue in it.

I did read the entire article. What is your specific complaint?

At 65 - - I have zero tolerance for - - the bigotry - hate - self-righteousness of past generations.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
The problem is you did not bother to read most of the article you yourself posted as you clearly are completely ignorant of the entire dialogue in it.

I did read the entire article. What is your specific complaint?

At 65 - - I have zero tolerance for - - the bigotry - hate - self-righteousness of past generations.

What past generations? The Old Testament Hebrews? Interestingly, I am not the only person who sees through the mockery of this fake minister. He picks apart the guys mocking of the Bible just as I did. And I guarantee that I read this after I made my post.

peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
What past generations? The Old Testament Hebrews? Interestingly, I am not the only person who sees through the mockery of this fake minister. He picks apart the guys mocking of the Bible just as I did. And I guarantee that I read this after I made my post.

OK got it.

You think this: Professor of Biblical Interpretation at Auburn Theological Seminary in New York City.

Is wrong because his thinking is different then yours. Shocking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


He has also taught at Union Theological Seminary and Hartford Seminary, and has been a visiting professor at Columbia and Drew universities. In 1989-1990 he was a Peace Fellow at the United States Institute of Peace in Washington, DC.

His published works include a trilogy on the Powers: Naming the Powers (1984), Unmasking the Powers (1986), and Engaging the Powers (1992), all from Fortress Press. Engaging the Powers received three "Religious Book of the Year" awards in 1993. Doubleday Books will publish a condensed version of the Powers trilogy in 1997 under the title, The Powers That Be.

He is also the author of The Bible in Human Transformation (Fortress, 1973), Transforming Bible Study (Abingdon, second edition, 1990), and other works, including 134 articles.

He is a member of the American Academy of Religion, the Society of Biblical Literature, Studiorum Novi Testament Societies, and the Fellowship of Reconciliation, and has lectured at over seventy universities.

He has led workshops on nonviolence and other themes all over North America, as well as in South Africa, Northern Ireland, East Germany, South Korea, New Zealand, and South and Central America.

Dr. Wink is a United Methodist minister, works for a Presbyterian seminary, and attends Quaker meeting. For five years he served as pastor of a church in southeast Texas.

www.soulforce.org...

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Yes, I've already read all that. So just because he is associated with some seminary that means he is an authority on God? Did you not get anything of my posting about Religious Humanism, it's definition, and purposes? Do you believe that he represents true Christianity? Or do you like that he is trying to change Christendom to have a different meaning?

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lol Sounds like you have zero tolerance period!

Now Anne, you said you have grandkids...therefore i'm to assume you have children of your own, right? Well, here's my question: Did you allow your kids, to live however they chose...in YOUR house??? Did they come in, whenever they CHOSE? Could they do whatever they pleased, IN YOUR HOUSE??? I'm assuming you had RULES, right? Rules you EXPECTED your children to follow! Or did they run amuck??? So, if you had RULES would you be considered 'religious'? And, why did you 'choose' to have RULES in YOUR house??? Where did that come from???

So, if YOU had RULES in YOUR house....why can't WE as children, in the house of planet earth, made by God, live by our Father's RULES? Or do you think, that because you're 65 years old....you're exempt from the rules??? Seedtime and harvest still applies!!!

My argument, with the 'gay' rights thing is this: DADDY SAID DON'T...so it behooves us NOT TO! Not only did DADDY say NOT TO...HE said it was an abomination...or as i like to say...a 'slap in the face'. Daddy also said we shouldn't lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, etc..etc. Which is all the same..to HIM! He calls it...'not listening'.

Now, what did you do to your children, when they "DIDNT LISTEN" to your instructions. Your 'rules? Oh, ok then. Feel what i'm talking about?

I'm gonna say it like it should be said....having studied Daddy's word, for a long, long time...on my own, by myself...homosexuality....Daddy does NOT tolerate. Please understand this....man was destroyed TWICE because of the homosexual 'SPIRIT'. Sodom and Ghomorrah, and Noah. Don't you think, we would have learned something, by now or should we go for round three?

Do you see how bad....things are getting via economy, tornadoes, earthquakes, bizarre weather, etc..etc? Hint: IT'S A SIGN.....WE ARE ON THE WRONG PATH! Daddy isn't home yet, we can still clean up the house...cuz if HE comes back to see it all dirty, and running out of order......WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE!

I love how the New Testament does not mention homosexuality, AT ALL. As well I love how Jesus himself regularly broke the "laws" that were written in Leviticus. Plus his sacrifice makes the laws written in Leviticus invalid, that is unless you accept that you are going to hell for cutting your hair, or shaving, or working on a Sunday.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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lol Sounds like you have zero tolerance period!

But but - - you keep calling me a Liberal

Originally posted by nuttin4U
Now Anne, you said you have grandkids...therefore i'm to assume you have children of your own, right? Well, here's my question: Did you allow your kids, to live however they chose...in YOUR house??? Did they come in, whenever they CHOSE?

Personal Responsibility and Integrity. Which does not require any outside guru.

My daughter was dating a Jewish man. He was concerned. My daughter told him: "If I showed up at my mom's house with a 300 pound - purple haired - lesbian" - - my mom would ask: "Are you happy" - - does that answer your question?

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Walking with God...doesnt come through the tree of KNOWLEDGE. You have to eat of the tree of LIFE! That's the problem with our society...we trust everyone but God's word. Read the friggin....no STUDY the friggin book to show yourself approved. Seminary school? You mean, indoctrination classes?

Again, like i said....God lumps homosexuality WITH whoremongers, liars, cheaters, STEELERS. (hahhahah that was a joke...that made God laugh, also.) Yes, ladies and gentlemen, God has a CHARACTER! How do i know? We are made in HIS IMAGE AND LIKENESS.

It's important that society understands this...SIN IS ANYTHING GOD SAID NOT TO DO...like: "Do NOT FEAR"..and "DO NOT BORROW" and "do not sleep with your neighbor's wife". And yes, when you are 'afraid' you are sinning...because GOD has not given us the SPIRIT of F.E.A.R....but of POWER, LOVE AND A SOUND MIND.

Why do you think we are in the 'war on terror'? These people...NWO, secret socities, elite, whatever-you-chose-to-call-the-powers-that-be....WORK FOR SATAN/LUCIFER/THE DEVIL! They are ushering in God's wrath through DISOBEDIENCE!

We are not going in the right direction, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. Can we PLEASE try another way? I've seen this same icon, over and over again. We're going around in circles.

Originally posted by nuttin4U

Walking with God...doesnt come through the tree of KNOWLEDGE. .

Let me offer you a gift of a Time Machine - - so that you and your kind - - can return to the world of Archaic belief and judgment of a people - - - who have done nothing wrong - - - being born attracted to same gender.

Feel free to invite your friends.

The scale of acceptance has tipped. We are not going backwards.

End of story.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by nuttin4U
Now Anne, you said you have grandkids...therefore i'm to assume you have children of your own, right? Well, here's my question: Did you allow your kids, to live however they chose...in YOUR house??? Did they come in, whenever they CHOSE?

Personal Responsibility and Integrity. Which does not require any outside guru.

My daughter was dating a Jewish man. He was concerned. My daughter told him: "If I showed up at my mom's house with a 300 pound - purple haired - lesbian" - - my mom would ask: "Are you happy" - - does that answer your question?

Personal responsibility and integrity??? Well...what is integrity and how do you know it was integrity? Where did the 'integrity' come from? You certainly weren't born with it...so where did it come from, it no 'outside guru' instilled it?

"Are you happy"? hahahaha My goodness...what a lame question to ask. Do you think planet earth is a place of 'happiness'? hahahahaha Are we here to be 'happy', or to be FRUITFUL and MULTIPLY? Are we here just to take up space, or here to ACCOMPLISH something?

I'm REAL happy when i'm having sex...but afterwards....reality kicks in. hahahaha Perhaps, people should stop trying to find happiness...and get some JOY. For the JOY of the Lord is your strength!

Oh, and let me add another...hhahahahaa...your daughter was dating a "Jew". And? Did she see him, and say to herself....he's Jewish? hahahahaha Or did she actually have to get to know him, first? When will the LABELING CEASE TO EXIST. We're stuck in our own borders!