16 year old, who has questions about the Military, and needs help figuring out his future...., page 3

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:07 PM

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reply to post by LandonFromKY

I'm a former Marine and current national guard member, anything I say is first hand experience not just BS. I honestly would wait a while, I'm not sure now is the best time to join. We could be pushed into another full on war with in the year. If you do want to join right away I would suggest joining the Marine Corps Reserves, you can always go active once you are in. Signing a open contract isn't always the best but you can't be given infantry or a cook mos if you do. I'm Army NG now and I would stay away from them, just a bunch of jokers.

snowen20

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:09 PM

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reply to post by LandonFromKY

HEY!!
Let me ask you a question. Say you join the military and go over to Iraq, (most likely) Who do you think you are going to be fighting, Terrorists responsible for flying planes into building, or bombing trains?

You fight who you are told to fight and you don't get to ask questions. So when you are told to frag a house and find kids in there afterward don't be surprised when the dad comes looking for a piece of your ass carrying an RPG and rolling with 30 other pissed off friends with a similar story.

I will promise you one thing, whatever you are told to do in the military is 99% of the time BS. You are a pawn of a government or corporation. A member of an industrial complex. There is no democracy in the military, and their are no options. There is only the supreme rule and order of the day, which by the way will change at a whim.

If that really sounds good to you then like I said you are going to get along fine. But I honestly recommend that if you want to help the machine of Anglo American conquest you join something that requires you to think critically, and have the freedom to do so.

NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by ParanoidAmerican
reply to post by LandonFromKY

All branches of the military especially right now are pushing for numbers

No we are down sizing like its cool right now, I think the USMC wants to be back at 170K like they used to be.

ParanoidAmerican

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:19 PM

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reply to post by NoClue206

That may be but what I am say is recruiting is up no I would arbitrate that to the economy more that others(may not have came out like I meant it). Bottom line is that is a recruiters job though to get you to sign That is just like a commission pay system to me, I never buy from the first salesman I talk to that's just me though.

NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by mb2591
I've done a lot of looking in to this.. Dont join the marines.

I would suggest he does

Join the army there are plenty of mos's im sure you can find something you like doing

The USMC has almost all the same MOS's

Plus you get signing bonuses.
Army you advance the fastest.

Money should never be a reason to join. You EARN your rank in the Marines, It's not just given away like a prize. You have to prove you take take charge and lead. You are responsible for peoples lives, that's not something to take lightly.

Also the college fund for the army give you extra money for schooling there.

WOW what are they telling you? You do know every service gets the same GI Bill don't you? We all get the same TA when active duty.
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SirClem

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:25 PM
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reply to post by LandonFromKY

Oh, buddy. Where can I start?

As a former SIGINT analyst for the NSA - 5k billeted out through the 22intel Squadron USAF at Ft. Meade, Maryland, (Jargon for anyone who cares) I need to ask you this:

What are you going to be fighting for? I had 5 security clearances, two polygraphs and long days & nights with lots of questions about what the actual mission was. I'm not going to rant or go into details, but simply put I don't think you've realize yet that you simply cannot trust your own government.

Countless 12hr+ shifts only ending with me going home to wait and watch for what I had worked on that night to show up on CNN. Cool huh? The catch: couldn't ever talk with my wife about any of it, or anyone else for that matter. Only I will ever know how 'cool' it was. For instance, take it or leave it, but I helped save pvt. Jessica Lynch. Google it. But it doesn't matter because we'll never be able to discuss the schematics of exactly how cool the technogy was or anything. And yes, I know that's for good reason, but my point is - are you a silent servant? or an active and willing patriot? Seriously, just because you join the military doesn't mean you're a patriot. Lots of people join for selfish reasons, but back to topic.

I think you can serve your community first, then your country (by serving your community). The Fed has enough problems right now. You don't want to be involved when the SHTF.

I'll wrap up this rant, even though I promised not to rant:

Take pride that your family has given so much to this great country of ours. I can assure you, they don't feel like you need to prove anything. They love you. You would make them really proud to be a civilian patriot in your own rite. How does anyone suggest you do that? That's another topic. Take care, bud and good luck.

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NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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reply to post by ParanoidAmerican

I guess the numbers they want go going down but the same amount of people want to join. They are really getting picky about who they let in.

snowen20

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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reply to post by NoClue206

Are you a recruiter??????
You're naughty!

Marines = a hell of a lot more disciple, ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT.

Army = the possibility of talking your Commanding Officer out of a freaking suicide mission.

Luzifer

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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reply to post by LandonFromKY

yeah thought that. Think you can tell me what to post and what not? Have you seen the episode of the simpsons where the military advertises with games? Looks exactly like that to me lol. Better not to say more.. i know how ur kind reacts..

Cryptonomicon

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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reply to post by SirClem

SirClem, this is your boss. Your security clearance has just been revoked. Don't bother coming back to work.

Oh, and you better get a good attorney.

mb2591

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by NoClue206

Originally posted by mb2591
I've done a lot of looking in to this.. Dont join the marines.

I would suggest he does

Join the army there are plenty of mos's im sure you can find something you like doing

The USMC has almost all the same MOS's

Plus you get signing bonuses.
Army you advance the fastest.

Money should never be a reason to join. You EARN your rank in the Marines, It's not just given away like a prize. You have to prove you take take charge and lead. You are responsible for peoples lives, that's not something to take lightly.

Also the college fund for the army give you extra money for schooling there.

WOW what are they telling you? You do know every service gets the same GI Bill don't you? We all get the same TA when active duty.
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Haha are you a former marine?
ETA: never mind I just read your post and your are a former marine.
As my trainer (former coastgaurd in the counterterrorism unit) would say you've been BRAIN WASHED haha it's so true I hear this same # from every marine I talk to.
Yea marines mos are a lot different.
I haven't talked to an army recruiter I've gotten all this info from rod powers who writes for about.com
And the army has a college fund on top of the gi bill.
The reason you advance faster in the army is because it's so big its not that you get handed your rank.
Btfu
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NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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reply to post by snowen20

No i was a Marine and we go a little over board sometimes when people don't have their facts straight or tell lies about us. Every service bashes the other but mis-info can be corrected real quick when the a person knows what they are talking are talking about.

ChungTsuU

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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reply to post by NoClue206

NoClue206:

Only the Army and Navy can offer the College Fund, which is in addition to the GI Bill. There is a minimum ASVAB required to qualify.

Last I heard the Navy only offered it for some MOS's. Maybe some squid can enlighten this topic some more...

Regards and Nameste,

-Chung

PS

It paid for my Post Grad work...
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NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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reply to post by mb2591

I'm in the army, they do hand rank out. You pick up E1-E4 with just time and you can be promoted a rank up just to fill a spot. Say they need a E6/staff Sergent as a TC and you are only a E5/Sergent they will promote you, it happens in my unit a lot.

snowen20

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:42 PM
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reply to post by NoClue206

I'll tell you what, I have worked with Marines and I have the utmost respect for them, I will go to battle with them any day.
The Army has some push over MOS's. But Army infantry isn't one of them, it has guys just as hardcore as Marines. At the end of the day Infantry is Infantry and we all see the same *SNIP*, The only difference being one is called a Soldier and one is called a Marine. Brothers with different names baby.

mb2591

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by NoClue206
reply to post by snowen20

No i was a Marine and we go a little over board sometimes when people don't have their facts straight or tell lies about us. Every service bashes the other but mis-info can be corrected real quick when the a person knows what they are talking are talking about.

I have my facts straight YOU are the one who doesn't have the facts straight

snowen20

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by NoClue206
reply to post by mb2591

I'm in the army, they do hand rank out. You pick up E1-E4 with just time and you can be promoted a rank up just to fill a spot. Say they need a E6/staff Sergent as a TC and you are only a E5/Sergent they will promote you, it happens in my unit a lot.

I can vouch for that crap!

inforeal

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:44 PM
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reply to post by LandonFromKY

Young person, I beg you not to join the military. Become a policeman or something. In the military, with all due respect to your forefathers, you will die and fight so people like Bush, Obama and Cheney will have bigger golf courses. There is no more defending the country, look at the wars around the globe now; they are all done for the benefit of the oligarchs and elitist corporate military industrial intelligence complex perpetuating itself

I wouldn’t tell you this if it wasn’t the truth, and didn’t care for you as a human being.

mb2591

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by NoClue206
reply to post by mb2591

I'm in the army, they do hand rank out. You pick up E1-E4 with just time and you can be promoted a rank up just to fill a spot. Say they need a E6/staff Sergent as a TC and you are only a E5/Sergent they will promote you, it happens in my unit a lot.

So your saying that's a bad thing and to go with the branch that takes longer to become more distinguished in?

Sounds counter productive to me.

NoClue206

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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reply to post by snowen20

I wasn't bashing, we all do the same jobs just in different ways. We all poke fun, its what we do. I used to be called POG from my 03 buddies when I was in the wing and now I'm the one throwing it around because I'm a 12B.