The Fix For "Flash Mob" Robberies. (or) What is going on with black teens???

I am tired of the excuses and hand wringing over this sort of behavior.

"Oh you have to understand the socio-economic policies that cause this behavior!"

Bullsh#t. It's a cop out.

When I was a child thirty some odd years ago, my family was poor and on welfare. We (my siblings and I) never stole anything. If we had my dad would have kicked our asses right off this planet.

Stop making excuses.

Originally posted by Darkrunner
I am tired of the excuses and hand wringing over this sort of behavior.

"Oh you have to understand the socio-economic policies that cause this behavior!"

Bullsh#t. It's a cop out.

When I was a child thirty some odd years ago, my family was poor and on welfare. We (my siblings and I) never stole anything. If we had my dad would have kicked our asses right off this planet.

Stop making excuses.

There is NO excuse for the behavior. Just like there was no excuse for Berny Madoff to bilk investors in millions of dollars. White,Black,there is no difference. Criminals are just that,criminals. I do think jobs would be a BIG help for inner city youth.You might not see this behavior. Same goes for drug dealing,or Gangs.

Originally posted by kaiode1
reply to post by spoonbender

 

I don't really see it as murder...
you come around my person, property, or family
with ill intentions...

Okay, this is reasonable. however I was referring to the general consensus of "shoot first, ask questions later." The only "ill intention" displayed by these teens was theft. They weren't violent, and no threats were made. They stole some # plain and simple. There's no way that the threat of "buckshot" fits the crime of theft.

edit on 28-6-2011 by kaiode1 because: (no reason given)

You didn't watch all the videos did you ...
because in one of them they come back and attack the
store owners Videos 2nd one down from the top

you do you
and I'll do me
peace to you my friend
stay thirsty

Been away from here for a while, I see not much has changed...

Firstly...All sides drop the race card..Its old hat and bloody annoying, here in the UK the second you say illegal immigrant the word 'racist' pops up, the world has suddenly became too afraid to name a person, if you say gay you are homophobic, if you say black or white there's a race issue, I'm sorry but when a person makes a factual statement that's not lingering on causing offence to a person or people then its JUST A FACT.

That whole issue is destroying the way the law works here in the UK and it seems everywhere else.

Fact. Here where I live we have black gangs, these comprise of Caribbean / African based ethnicity, we also have Somalian only gangs, White Brit gangs, White Eastern European gangs, Asian gangs and my current favourite, the militant Islamic gangs.

What we rarely have here is mixed gangs apart from the Islamic s who often have white converts, Afro Caribbean and Asian members..

The most violent crimes are mostly from the Somali and Black gangs, guns and knives with violence are the norm, the white gangs (inc Euro) deal mostly in the drug side and burglary. The Asian gangs are normally just very abusive but do involve themselves in drugs and some robbery.

There are some exceptions to this but generally that's the lay of the land.

All of that is FACT, there's no racial slander or slur, its a pure breakdown of the gang activity around here.

Once people can get that fact through their thick skulls and forget race then we can move on, if however you still see colour as an issue then please stop reading, don't bother to reply and go and slap your self on the back.

Here in the UK we use the term 'steaming', its the crime version of flash mobs (flash mobs are normally innocents having fun). Steaming started with the Notting Hill carnival many years ago, gangs of black youths would jump on the tube trains and go from carriage to carriage robbing people. The same stuff still happens to this day but its more Policed now.

If you want a who's who of criminal activities then I suggest a day on London's Oxford Street, you get a variety of sets of people either steaming shops, pick pocketing, selling stolen stuff, selling drugs etc etc etc.

For people outside the states that look at Youtube, Liveleak etc etc the impression is that Black people are responsible for all crime there (before you jump, I said 'the impression, I know crime is an extremely multicultural thing in the states), we see very loud Black women fighting in shops and fast food places, gangs of black youths steaming and almost every Cop show having almost totally black only offenders.

Now as I've said, I know crime is committed by all but its down to the families and politicians to stop using stupid reasons and barriers that allow some to follow crime and some to get away with it. There must be one law FOR ALL, no religious or racial excuses, people should stop teaching groups that 'they' are special or deserve more, people really have got to understand that this world is fading fast, it will make no special deals for colour or creed, we all could end up broke and homeless and possibly dead very easily, that however ISN'T an excuse for crime.

Someone hinted at the right way to go and what I say may cause offence or hatred to some BUT it really is the only way.

Bio Metric ID that MUST be carried, if you are caught without it then you need to explain why.

Entrances to large shopping area's should have entry points, extreme?

No, quite obviously not as teens seem to think crime is an easy and rampant choice.

The effect on crime would be high, it would not stop it but when you are placed at the scene of a crime by your ID then others may think it a deterrent.

And here's the rub, there are people out there screaming about their rights of privacy, the people that want to shout that often have their own good reason to voice it. People have to grow up and accept that on computer all around the world is enough detail on you stored to explain most of your life history. Almost every detail of your life is stored and constantly updated on numerous lists, your criminal record that you believe is dropped over time ISN'T, it stays stored no matter what you believe.

Having a Bio Metric card only has one extra function and that is to prove beyond doubt who you are, any other data about you bar your current GPS location is out there on a HD and most of the time it was YOU who gave it to them.

No more "its not my car", no more refusing to give details..Its not perfect but its a step in the right direction in my book.

The bottom line is that WE must be accountable for our actions, using race, religion or social standing (rich or poor) should be ignored. Breaking into a store and stealing 200 dollar Nike's isn't about being poor, its about greed, breaking into a shop to steal bread is about being poor.

So lets stop playing around, forget all this PC nonsense and arrest the criminals, whatever colour or creed they are, they are united in one thing, being a criminal...

reply to post by sonnny1


Exactly. Its no less criminal what "white collar" criminals do, and corporations do around the world, its just more primitive and in your face when people rush in and grab things that arent theirs by force. Its the same behavior we are exhibiting as a nation or collection of nations in the mid east right now, just on a smaller more petty scale.

And to the person saying "we didnt do that when I was a kid and we were poor," no one was glamorizing criminal behavior when we were kids to the degree they are now. It used to be a scandal if people stole or displayed bad character. We had at least the pretense of morality. Now we dont make a pretense. We admire people of bad character, and make TV shows and movies about them. We are very open and blunt about "its all about getting yours damn the costs to others" and thats being reflected in the behavior of kids who are not being instilled at home or by the media or by society at large with character and morals and any sense of honor and decency.

Look at the Vampire craze, Vampires, who kill people and suck them dry for their own selfish reasons, are heroes, not monsters, like they were in my youth. We glorify selfishness, materialism and greed, and we dont honor and promote qualities like integrity, honesty, and other things that mattered in the past at least to the bulk of society. We make it seem like honest people or kind people are "marks" or stupid, and they deserve what they get if others rip them off. We call people smart, who are in fact, just ruthless.

While those kids are totally responsible for their own choices and behaviors, you have to stick your head in the mud to pretend that society isnt playing a big part in why they are acting like this now. And its not a race issue. White kids are also morally bankrupt.

This whole thread is laughable, why? You folks are being robbed of your bank accounts, your homes, your retirements, and not by misguided black teens who shoplifts but by adult white people who owns majority of the world's assets. All some of you can think about is how to harm these teens who for whatever logic are shoplifting. Wow. Some of you are so blinded by your deep-seated hatred of blacks you can't seem to see you're being robbed 24 hours a day seven days a week by your own people, all you can see are black youngsters shoplifting like nobody's business in Sears and Walgreens. Folks the change is here and if you plan on surviving you better get focused on who mean you harm and who don't.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Maybe this is going to start happening more and more, all skin colors and backgrounds because people are fed up and tired of spinning their wheels and going no where.

Agree.

Katrina,people looted of ALL skin colors. Some for necessity. Some because they could.
L.A. riots,same thing.

People can nit pick,and say they are not the same. I disagree. Criminal acts of looting, vandalizing,and all out thievery,in mass. Nothing new. Happens when people lose hope.Happens when they think and KNOW they can get away with it.

Its wrong and Its coming.

There is absolutely no comparison to Katrina. That is ignorance. There you had a a natural/manmade disaster and very little rescue response early on. That was not an issue of a large group of thugs using intimidation of numbers to blatantly steal things on any given day.

During Katrina, NOPD and National Guard ALLOWED people to go into stores and stock up on neccessities. Where they drew the line or, in some sick cases, participated was the theft of designer shoes, flat screen televisions, and stereo equipment. And that is what you are dealing with here. As a generality (again, it's not every inner city black), inner city black culture has a real problem with values.

While there was certainly some examples of white misconduct during that debacle, the reason the media entities, in that weak example cited earlier, may have said "looting" for blacks and "finding" for whites is because, at least as far as photo and video evidence was presented, the Wal mart on Tchoupatoulas was being picked clean of electronics in a city that had no power, by blacks. The picture the PC folk use to show this "media prejudice" was attached to a white couple carrying food. So there was a valid reason for that distinction between those images. One group was looting unneccessary material things they couldn't even use and the other were actually taking what they needed to survive. The national media and PC crowd are the ones that ascribed racial characterization to the 2 images in a very silly way.

Using group intimidation to blatantly get away with something that victimizes another is a sign of thuggery, sometimes organized politically as with Hitler's Brownshirts, but straight up thuggery nonetheless. And, unless you are very ignorant to the attitudes of many inner city blacks -at least in black majority cities like New Orleans - there is no denying that "black" is a very strong part of it. Again, a large chunk of blacks -particularly in New Orleans -work hard and do not have these attitudes and lack of values. They are the ones who typically suffer the most from these thugs. This has to be nipped in the bud.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
Reminds me of all those Blacks and Hispanics on welfare who spend all their welfare money on iPhone 4s, top of the line Escalades complete with all the "bling", etc and then complain they have no food, they can't pay their rent, and so forth ...

Yeah, because a white person would never do that right?


Look, I agree, it seems that in this case it is mostly black youth doing it, but for those of you who are racist, could you tone it down a bit?

It's kind of..... disturbing.

Meh, but then again, PC is killing society..... Just.... be yourselves

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Instead of using social media and mobile devices to better themselves, learn things, and break away from the poverty/jail cycle they use it to organize a mob petty theft ring. Nice.

how would these kids better themselves with social media and mobile devices? i'm betting they don't have linkedin accounts... i mean i have a college degree, all kinds of connections, and a few years experience and can't use my cell phone or facebook account to get a job because there are none. what are these kids supposed to do? i'm betting they don't have many connections.

Originally posted by Scoriada
But he thinks, and rightly so, that most blacks will vote for him no matter what so why bother.

edit on 27-6-2011 by Scoriada because: (no reason given)

I am under no illusions that plenty of black people will vote for a man because he is black, and hopefully you are under no illusions that plenty of white people will not vote for him because he is black.

Its a wash, they cancel each other out...then you have the rest...people will vote based on a closer viewpoint of policys and relation to outlook.

The problem with the poor materialists is that they steal your stuff directly
the problem with the rich materialists is that they steal your stuff through special interest groups and legislation.

reply to post by redhawk724


They could try not wanting stuff they dont have.

They arent stealing food, or necessities, they are stealing luxuries. They all have clothes on and look pretty well fed and clean, so obviously they are sleeping and bathing indoors.

Sure, its hard for teens to get jobs right now, because adults are taking them up to buy necessities for their families. But the stuff they are taking they dont need, they just want it. No one is teaching them that sometimes you cant have everything you want, and you have to settle for just getting your needs met, and that stealing is not an acceptable solution to the problem of getting what you want.

Well It seems most people here speak not from experience or true knowledge but what the media feeds them.

I think a few things that influence this type of behavior are

Economics, little to no money circulating in the inner city, as it goes straight to corparite entitys
Enviorment, little to no community programs, jobs or options other then hanging out which leads to all sorts of trouble.
Drugs, well I know coc aine is sold in the hood, but it certainly isnt grown,processed,and packaged there but you can make tons of money in one day
Roll Models, mostly the ones that make money and create the image of freedom aka ability to make change.

I could go on and while there is no excuse for this type of thing at home they are their mothers angel.

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by redhawk724

 

They could try not wanting stuff they dont have.

lol...sure.

I remember when I was a kid, there was a store around the corner of my friends house.
for some unknown reason, they left giant cases of pepsi outside on the corner....I guess toting a sale or whatnot.

Anyhow, we wanted a case...to us, that was just too damn tempting
So, at night, we crept to the side of the store (dark side), tossed a hoodie over our heads, and grabbed a case of pepsi....then tweaked out and played nintindo until 5am

kids want stuff, and if they don't have money, and feel they can get away with it...they will do minor crimes (no developed sense of crime/punishment).

Not excusing the behavior at all...frankly, I should have been caught and slapped...just saying, it is not some unusual and new quality emerging from people..just a slightly different method caught on film

reply to post by tbonethedstroyer


Funny you pick a song with a white dude as the lead. I think Prodigy made that song. I do'nt even need to bless the rest of your words with a response.

I don't know what I find more breathtakingly shocking, the fact this goes on in the USA or the fact you've got so many apologists for street thugs and criminals. I suspect that these are the types who'd be woken up rudely should they actually be living in an area common to these types...
Theft is theft here and folk on ATS need to see it that way

reply to post by WeRpeons


I agree with you, I think it comes down to PARENTING...or lack there of. I grew up poor, living in a trailer with my father and uncle after my parents divorced and because my parents were always there watching, helping (when they could) and kicking my butt when I did something wrong I turned out good.

Yes, all of them in the video are black, these black teens shoplift, these black teens are robbing the store in this video. Now lets get something straight here, most of you telling people to not play the race card are the same people ignorantly trying to imply that NO OTHER RACE ever steals, shoplifts, and never gets on welfare. Please, don't reply saying "I never said that" or "Where/When did I use those exact words?" - hence the term I used "imply".

Get a clue right now. If your a homo-sapien, your bound to do these things whether your black, white, hispanic, irish, purple, or zombie. Haven't we learned that you can't judge a million people because of the actions of 10?

I guess If I robbed a video game store, you would suggest that all people of my skin color rob video game stores right?

Lets fix this situation instead of saying what would make it worse. We all obviously are so wise that we know why they are doing it, so lets go from there.

Instead of talking about how these kids stole $500 worth of stuff, lets talk about the billions (or trillions) that these international bankers stole from us.

reply to post by pop_science


Not that it would matter but I am black myself and yes I talk to the youth everyday. I have two youngsters of my own. I'm smack dab in the city of Newark so you can say I'm up close an personal with plenty of the black youth. They don't flash mob round here. Nor do they care. I work for higher education in a school in the city and its filled with black youth who are getting their education.

I happen to have a unique view as I wasn't born in this city I moved from a rural white neighborhood so I know racism very well in all its forms. You can paint it anyway you like but if you try to equate these situations to broad stroke a race you are a racist period. I did not see this crap when Vancouver and Boston were in flames from white people over a hockey game.

I don't take those to represent a race. I take it to represent the disturbed nature of the individuals living in those cities. So for people to do the reverse it is racist and its right in front of your faces and you still cant see it.