PC preschool bans words 'him' and 'her'

This is simple in that programming thought processes is seen as necessary.

It goes towards many things having to do with behavioral controls.

Not the least it has to do with transhumanism.

Transhumanist Postgenderism - Science Fiction or Science Future?

eMachine did a great thread above about it and I expanded upon it within.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Transhumanism

Transhumanism, often abbreviated as H+ or h+, is an international intellectual and cultural movement that affirms the possibility and desirability of fundamentally transforming the human condition by developing and making widely available technologies to eliminate aging and to greatly enhance human intellectual, physical, and psychological capacities.

Transhumanist thinkers study the potential benefits and dangers of emerging technologies that could overcome fundamental human limitations, as well as study the ethical matters involved in developing and using such technologies.

They predict that human beings may eventually be able to transform themselves into beings with such greatly expanded abilities as to merit the label "posthuman".

Transhumanism is therefore viewed as a subset of philosophical "posthumanism".

The contemporary meaning of the term "transhumanism" was foreshadowed by one of the first professors of futurology, FM-2030, who taught "new concepts of the Human" at The New School of New York City in the 1960s, when he began to identify people who adopt technologies, lifestyles and world views transitional to "posthumanity" as "transhuman".

This foresight would lay the intellectual groundwork for British philosopher Max More to begin articulating the principles of transhumanism as a futurist philosophy in 1990, and organizing in California an intelligentsia that has since grown into the worldwide transhumanist movement.

The transhumanist vision of a transformed future humanity, which is influenced by the techno-utopias depicted in some great works of science fiction, has attracted many supporters and detractors from a wide range of perspectives.

Transhumanism has been condemned by one critic, Francis Fukuyama, as the world's most dangerous idea, while one proponent, Ronald Bailey, counters that it is the "movement that epitomizes the most daring, courageous, imaginative, and idealistic aspirations of humanity".

It to do with a very real threat to humankind when it comes to taking away gender programming.

Do not get me wrong.

I think girls being Betty Crocker'ed is silly, and boys being Baden-Powell'ed is absurd.

The two genders are not taught to act or think anything alike which later causes major problems.

TransHumanism & Genetic Manipulation ~ Tom Horn & Steve Quayle


I see society having many problems but this will not fix any of them by any means.

Someone may have mentioned but didn't parents know what they were getting into with the name of the place? Egalia=egalitarian. Taking away gender roles takes away individuality. We are not a kollective. We are not ants or bees. We are human freaking beings. We can live independently of one another if we so choose.

Egalitarianism leads to what happened in Harrison Bergeron.

/TOA

When I was in kindergarten (Never went to preschool) if a boy wanted to do something that a girl normally would, or visca versa, they were allowed to do it. No one ever took flowers from a little boy or trucks from a little girl...

What was wrong with that? Kids are gonna be kids and if a boy wants to play with a doll they were allowed, and if a girl wants to pretend to be a fireman they were allowed.

Why take it to the next level by removing "him" and "her"? It seemed to work out fine for us and none of us turned out with identity issues.

This is just overly politically correct and unnecessary.

anyone read "animal farm".

after they overthrew the farmer, everyone called each other "comrade". let me give you a hint, it didn't free them. it enslaved them to a new master.

removing gender specific pronouns won't provide the change you seek, and adding in reading material that is completely "backwards" will confuse them.

men put women on pedestals. women have a lot of control over men just by being the opposite sex. i bet if you had those kids read the school's version of rapunzel, the man with the long beard, and the original, the kids would pick the original one. its how things are. women like being on the pedestal, and men like fawning over them.

I'm actually dealing with this exact situation with someone extremely close to me.

They have come to the conclusion they are transgendered, and now I have to stop useing the words her,she ect when referring to this person. As they told me it makes them feel very uncomfortable

Let me tell you going to knowing someone as a girl for some 14 years and trying to not refer to them in the female when speaking about them to another person is VERY , VERY hard.

I don't know why these people in this school are doing this. I mean kids today are confused enough, and kids with gender identity issues seem to be on the rise..., or is it just me? Doing this will only add to that.

Maybe I'm just too old fashioned? and perhaps this is a good thing? I don't know.

All I know is that being heterosexual it is SO hard for me to imagine people are just Born homosexual. But the many homosexuals/transexuals/trangendered people I talk with all say the same thing. That they've always felt something was wrong, they were not physically attracted to the opposite sex, even though they tried and tried.

I will of course continue loving this person, and I'll do my best not to offend them by reffering to them as "she". But I'm a loooong ways of to reffering to this person as "he".

It's a very complex issue. Who knows maybe what they are doing in this class will have some positive effects, because what this person I know has gone through in thier life with thier gender identity issues seems extremely rough, and I feel bad for them. But I also am proud of them to have the confidance to say, hey THIS is who I am, you will either accept me or not. Very brave.

I actually have an associates degree in Early Childhood Education and I spent a few years teaching preschool. I have to say that their hearts are in the right place, but this is a wasted effort. I understand they want the best for these children by allowing them to choose who they want to be. Who doesn't want to live in a world where we don't have to all fit into these little boxes of "male" and "female."

The way I see it, the approach they are taking cannot and will not work. While they have created a nice little bubble where people can be people, the children still have to spend the majority of their formative years in the real world. If they watch any movies or tv shows, they're going to learn that boys should be this way and girls should be that way. Even if the parents manage to monitor what the kids watch or don't allow any tv at all, the children can still be socialized by the peers they play with or any adult they observe.

If this experiment does work, what happens when their students move on to another school that operates in "the real world?"

Well, in order to accomplish the goal of doing away with gender stereotypes one would have to do more than remove him and her from the language. What about the gender specific names? Oops! Gonna have to eleminate the Bill and Mary and Jim and Charlene. How 'bout we just give them a alpha/number like c22 or 34u or maybe r2d2. Also, need to do away with those hairdo indications of gender. Oh, I know, just shave all the little buggers heads and everyone wears an orange moo-moo...

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I remember when they used to dress bugs bunny up as a girl and how dave chapell claims hollywood makes black men dress up as a woman at least once in their career if they want to play ball and make a career for themselfes. it looks like they are trying new and improved ways to manufacture gays in our society.

Originally posted by guessing

Originally posted by Aeons

If everyone speaking english could just adopt a word for "a person" that didn't require a reference to your penis or vagina, everyone would be so much less stupid about it.

edit on 2011/6/26 by Aeons because: (no reason given)

So what you are saying is that people actually use other peoples names, in the way they were intended. Hello Mary, how are you today? I am fine thanks Bill. Nice day isn't it?

But that is too much common sense to actually call people by their names.

Next we will have females called Bill and males called Mary. Everyone will be bisexual.

I just thought we were called humans.

So then, you never use the words "He" "She" "Her" "Him"?

I am not suggesting the world would be a utopia with a new word.

Did you know that You isn't an English word? It is French, and was adopted by your ancestors (much to the older generations horror) due to a lack of a useful similar pronoun.

People are looking for a pronoun like "he" or "she" that doesn't require a reference to your genitals, but only refers to another as a person. Many languages have this sort of term.

Originally posted by HarmonicNights
reply to post by Aeons

 

Do you agree then that giving your children names when they are born is foolish as well? I mean you obviously have a problem with referral terms that can't be used for everyone.

Do you really not understand the concept of a non-specific pronoun refering to a human? Because you use them everyday. Is the fact that you might refer to a person without needing to reference what's in their underwear really that hard for you?

This pc brainwashing of children is going on in Sweden aswell now?
This BS needs to stop.

LMAO first it was the police ticketing people who parked 12 inches away from the curve, and now this....

reply to post by Aeons


help me to understand. why IS it such a big deal? i don't use "her" to discriminate against females, neither do i use "him" that way.

on the contrary, i think it shows respect to each gender. male and female differences go way past genitalia. so what is the problem with referring to a male as "him" and a female as "her"? you've referenced other languages having only one word that refers to a person, but there are languages that describe even inanimate objects as masculine and feminine. can you show that there is such a large difference between the two based only on sentence structure?

Originally posted by guessing

Is this the way our children are destined to be educated, using de personalisation techniques and early childhood social conditioning?

Well, I remember being told as a kid, several times, "A girl don't do/say/act like that" from both other kids and adults. I am sure that I also corrected others, both boys and girls, in this way. If this is not early childhood social conditioning I don't know what is.

We as a society control each other very hard in this area, which probably leads to a sort of depersonalisation: none of us can be who we truly are, just "boy" "girl", "man" and "women". I think it is right that this kindergarten tries to work against that, just as they would work against bullying (which actually often occurs when people do not play their given gender role).

In my home Philippine Tagalog language, we have no words for him or her.

We do have words for girl and boy.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


You are REQUIRED in our language to refer to someone as a gender. There isn't another option. The enforcement of genderization is embeded in every aspect of your life, because your language defines your thougths. The limits of your language is the limits of your World.

In many of those languages where everything has a gender, would it surprise you to find that those languages often have a non-gendered single person pronoun?

I haven't suggested the words "he" "she" be scrapped. I've suggested that there is a need for another word. People add new words all the time. I personally don't consider it respect that you can't and cannot fathom relating to me as just a human without requiring a pants check.

reply to post by Fatgoblin

Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

 

You are REQUIRED in our language to refer to someone as a gender. There isn't another option. The enforcement of genderization is embeded in every aspect of your life, because your language defines your thougths. The limits of your language is the limits of your World.

In many of those languages where everything has a gender, would it surprise you to find that those languages often have a non-gendered single person pronoun?

I haven't suggested the words "he" "she" be scrapped. I've suggested that there is a need for another word. People add new words all the time. I personally don't consider it respect that you can't and cannot fathom relating to me as just a human without requiring a pants check.

You are not required. You choose this as an option.

Instead of she it is Mary, instead of he it is Bill.

Why is this a hard or difficult concept?

I think it's great! We should get rid of all dividing terms like... dog/cat, man/boy, hot/cold, tasty/not tasty. If we get rid of all these old fashioned terms like good & evil, right and wrong, the world would be a much better place. We wouldn't have bad people anymore. We wouldn't have good people anymore, we would all just be people. Unless we get rid of people and animal & mineral. Lets get rid of all titles! That’s what the libs want. without boundaries, titles, categories, there would be chaos and the drugs and sex and thievery can prosper. Thank GOD the conservatives have guns.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its an interesting experiment they are doing overall.

An "interesting experiment"?

Kids are kids, not guinea pigs or lab rats.

Maybe YOURS - but not MINE.

Mengele would be so proud!

"Interesting experiment" my ass!