PC preschool bans words 'him' and 'her'

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by joshter

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Also, all their books are of unique and real backgrounds...aka, gay parents, divorced parents, etc...no cinderella and snow white storys portraying definitive roles of a man.

Yikes! Now that's an issue right there. That's almost killing a childhood, taking out fairytale stories. Batman is a fairytale story too... without the wicked witches and friendly forest animals. Both genders get a kick out of those stories.

Issues like homosexuality and divorce are, in my opinion, things children shouldn't be thinking about. Those are stressful thinking processes that I don't think children can handle, most adults can't handle them.

I was fond of the idea of not mentioning genders AT ALL and teaching like you would normally teach... but that is going too far, almost in the realm of indoctrination I'd say.

Oh, no, they rewrote the storys...they are still there, but this time, the kids learn that the man is the useless entity in the story that requires a woman to rescue them and fight the dragon...then the man gets taken by the woman and lives happily ever after...each time...

They rewrote:
Snow white
Cinderella (now Samirella)
Sleeping Beauty
rapunzel (now with a long beard)
Little Mermaid (now merman)
etc...

(see the issues with the traditional storys yet? indoctrination from a early age of specific roles of valor and uselessness programmed in)

edit on 26-6-2011 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)

What you have described is messed up, you cant teach a child to be genderless by taking an old story with firmly established gender roles and swapping those gender roles so that the male is useless and the female full of valour! The problem is not that we see eachother as different genders but that society teaches us that one sex is better than the other. When these stories were written society was brainwashed into veiwing men as superior to women (well even long before these stories were written that was the prejudice) now in the attempt to set the record straight we are in danger of raising a generation of men who feel threatened and undermined on the one hand or diminished and worthless on the other and it will blow up in our faces.
The goal should not be to eliminate gender roles, which are biologically written in our genetic codes for a reason, but it should be to highlight the strengths and abilities of each individual and learn to work together DESPITE our gender differences.
Just because a man can lift heavy objects with ease doesnt make him any better than the woman who can carry a new life inside her for nine months, nor does the strength it takes to give birth to children make women better than men who provide the spark to ignite that life.
Men are he and women are she and that is great! Our differences should be celebrated not eliminated!
There is a reason why our differences compliment eachother, its so we can learn to work together despite our differences and grow equally as men and women..... As humans. Thats what our children should be taught.
Also I agree with Joshter, children shouldnt be forced to think about such heavy issues as divorce and homosexuality, if they ask then fine but it shouldnt be in stories, children should be children adulthood (being able to deal with and think logically about heavy issues) will come when it comes, lets not force it eh?

Golly, Im all inspired now, wheres my pen?

"We use the word "hen" for example when a doctor, police, electrician or plumber or such is coming to the kindergarten," Rajalin says. "We don't know if it's a he or a she so we just say 'Hen is coming around 2pm' Then the children can imagine both a man or a woman. This widens their view." Read more: www.news.com.au...

Where I came from in Pre school , we just used boring , plain old names like:
The Doctor is coming soon, The Plumber is coming soon, The police are coming soon.

Where I came from roles were not pre-determined gender specific. Also it did not matter what gender the role turned out to be as long as the Policeman or Doctor actually showed up. This was more important than the gender of the professional.

This idea of teaching children in a backward way about equality is going to produce mental health patients. It is child abuse what they are doing, in the way they are doing it.

I look forward to seeing the results.

I will contrast it to the sissy boy experiment...I imagine the difference will be night and day..who knows, they may teach us something new.

And to all the neocons worried about this messing something up..well, look at it this way
1) its an elitist school that your kids will never be part of. Their waiting list is quite extensive
2) its a bunch of dirty foreigners, so it shouldn't matter to you anyhow
3) nascar is on...your missing it

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I actually recall reading a news story way back in high school about a male being treated like a girl his entire life.

Has anybody heard the story of David Reimer ?

He lost his genitalia during a circumcision and had a gender reversal soon after. He grew up a girl until he reached the age of puberty and started to identify himself as a male. He apparently had a really depressing life and killed himself.

I figured this story was relevant to the subject matter.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I look forward to seeing the results.

I will contrast it to the sissy boy experiment...I imagine the difference will be night and day..who knows, they may teach us something new.

And to all the neocons worried about this messing something up..well, look at it this way
1) its an elitist school that your kids will never be part of. Their waiting list is quite extensive
2) its a bunch of dirty foreigners, so it shouldn't matter to you anyhow
3) nascar is on...your missing it

maybe your right, so in the future when physcologists analyse the outcomes of the model , then, twist them and turn them around to make the results look undeniably attractive, then, start implementing the same practices on your children in your local kindy, I am sure that NASCAR will still be on...

Originally posted by guessing

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I look forward to seeing the results.

I will contrast it to the sissy boy experiment...I imagine the difference will be night and day..who knows, they may teach us something new.

And to all the neocons worried about this messing something up..well, look at it this way
1) its an elitist school that your kids will never be part of. Their waiting list is quite extensive
2) its a bunch of dirty foreigners, so it shouldn't matter to you anyhow
3) nascar is on...your missing it

maybe your right, so in the future when physcologists analyse the outcomes of the model , then, twist them and turn them around to make the results look undeniably attractive, then, start implementing the same practices on your children in your local kindy, I am sure that NASCAR will still be on...

Results tend to speak for themselves overall

What we do know is the current model (reinforcing gender roles).
Is society currently a eutopia? erm...no.

What these people are doing is a sound philosophy that may produce results that go against the norm trash society that we have developed...
So yes, I would have my children go through this model verses the one known to be a disaster...I would let them develop into what they want to be verses what society demands them to be.

AT the Egalia preschool, staff avoid using words like "him" or "her" and address the 33 kids as "friends" rather than girls and boys. Read more: www.news.com.au...

Well, you see Comrades, the world is changing.

I mean 'friends'...

Comrades...

Hmmm...and they say suicidal people are crazy but the real crazy people are the ones who sit idle by and take it up the tail pipe

Big deal. How is this any worse than millions of kids getting brainwashed at home and school everyday about an invisible space ghost who will toast them in a pit of fire if they don't follow his inane rules and worship him 24/7?



You people need to get a life.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
Hmmm...and they say suicidal people are crazy but the real crazy people are the ones who sit idle by and take it up the tail pipe

And we've all seen Beverly Hills Cop, amirite? Amirite? Ehh? Amirite?

I'm all for complete removal of gender stereotypes. If a boy wants to wear pink and play with dolls that's his choice, nothing wrong with it. If a girl wants to play with trucks and dinosaurs wearing t-shirt and jeans that's cool too. I tell my daughter everyday to just do what she likes regardless of what her peers tell her is geeky or for boys. And that's EXACTLY how it SHOULD be and it has NOTHING to do with being politically correct.

Now removing gender pronouns from vocabulary? That's just plain dumb.

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It's nice to hear you have a healthy grasp on the situation and it sounds like we share the same opinions on how we raise our daughters. I'd just like to point out that this is sort of a way to create an atmosphere that makes children more comfortable expressing whatever preferences they choose to.

Either it will work and will be expanded upon or it will fail and be adjusted/abandoned. Scandinavian school systems are based on preventing future social problems as those are remedied by state funds. If it doesn't work, they won't keep it because it will ultimately cost the nation more money. It's not like here where people profit from screwed up kids and adults.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Its an interesting experiment they are doing overall.

to recap
they are basically removing the references if gender differences amongst one another and let them do and be whatever they want...such as if a kid wants to go "play swords" they can, or if they want to pick flowers and skip, they can also...regardless of their gender (because they do not have the programming that one does one and the other does the other).

They use multi-colored dolls, and are anatomically correct

It actually may produce some very revealing results...
As a person raised "old school", the concept seems initially strange to me...however, intellectually, I wonder if these kids will develop far more secure in themselves than I was.

I reckon eventually (after school) they will adapt to a more traditional role through a greater society peer pressure, however, they may have a stronger core of self understanding...I mean, hey...if you like to skip and sing, you like to skip and sing. eff society that tells you thats weird.

You do have a point, and the truth is, the elites have never been too happy with anyone who tries to break the mold in a spectacular fashion; whether it be the hippies of the '60s and '70s, beatniks in the '50s, Abolitionists right around the time of the Civil War, or feminists right around the turn of this century.
Fact is, stuff like this is not only just one more nail in the coffin of the elite hegemony, but a step forward in the advancement of humanity; no child should be forced to comply with traditional roles if they don't wish to do so.

This is insulting to both males and females. Suppressing human nature to such a great extent can only cause harm. There is absolutely NOTHING positive that can come from this. People are not born blank slates and there would be no purpose of having TWO sexes if they were exactly the same.

What I'd like to know is why people support the attempt to rid people of their humanity and wish for everyone to be identical drones. It's frightening to say the least.

I can't believe people are actually upset about boys and girls teasing each other. They're CHILDREN for cryin out loud. The teasing is completely harmless and looking back at those times makes me laugh. As the kids grow up, they will start to love those gender differences....unless society tells them that differences should not exist and that it's some sort of moral wrongdoing to believe that they do exist. No need to act like childhood teasing is some sort of crisis. Trying to force males and females do be identical is what causes segregation.

reply to post by Rhebefree


Hmm...I watched all those Disney movies as a child and I never viewed the women as inferior to the men. You probably didn't either until the feminist proaganda told you that the women were depicted as inferior and completely useless. The women were actually characters that I admired greatly and saw as superb human beings. It seems to be only certain women that have a problem with the way they are.

Originally posted by HarmonicNightsAs the kids grow up, they will start to love those gender differences....unless society tells them that differences should not exist and that it's some sort of moral wrongdoing to believe that they do exist. No need to act like childhood teasing is some sort of crisis. Trying to force males and females do be identical is what causes segregation.

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I'm sorry, but someone LOVING the differences? No, not unless they're an extreme misogynist or androgynist[male hater]. I'm a guy, but I don't LOVE the difference. I just accept the ones that are based on fact as they are.........sheesh.

Marxist/Communist GARBAGE.

Just this morning, waaaaay before reading this post, I came to the conclusion that the world is SERIOUSLY screwed up and on the way out; how can it not be???? Crazy people everywhere doing whacked out things. And then I read this and I'm definitely sure the world is Seriously screwed up and on the way out.

Anyone remember the Sunshine Family dolls from the 1970's? A mom, a dad and two kids (and I think a dog or a cat...I wanted a set so badly, one of my friends had them...a girl by the way...and I'm a girl. Yes, GIRLS AND DOLLS! YAY.

Anyone remember the 1970's??? lol. What has happened people? What have we become. A society of freaks with anything goes. I'm ashamed to be part of this society, I am.

Anyone care to join me here?

it sounds simply to me that they are putting the old nature versus nurture debate to the test. interesting idea, could prove harmful, the children would probably adjust into society fine, it is society adjusting to them that concerns me.

From an experiment/scientific view

I'd be curious to see how this ends up as the children grow up into adults but controlling every variable in their life to prevent gender discrimination is almost impossible unless all of their parents are in on it and they are schooled k-12. They also wouldn't be free to watch television or go to densely populated areas or it would 'corrupt' the experiment.