Why Palestinians want this video removed

regardless of who is there now and who holds it holy..
I doubt most are even in on the real plot
here is a spoiler for those that wish to not see the actual movie

The population of Israel, defined by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics to include all citizens and permanent residents within Israel iself and in the Israeli settlements in the occupied territories, was estimated in February 2011 to be 7,718,600 people,[14] of whom 5,818,200 are Jewish

en.wikipedia.org...

only 181800. left to go and the old talmudic prophecy will be fullfilled...
by the luciferians who created the place

Then no one will care about the place...or who is, or was ever, there
nor whom ever held it sacred...it is after all, and will be an alter...
of sacrifice
a burnt sacrifice

but if such warnings fall on def ears
who am i to complain?

the world could always use another giant microwave just face your leftovers to the east....

Originally posted by pplrnuts
That location of the world is just a S#It-hole made popular by some silly man-made primitive and barbaric savage religious texts that are all a bunch of complete nonsense.

All of those fools over there will never stop fighting over that nonsense land until their foolish and fictional man-made beliefs and superstitions are eliminated.

You sir possess too much common sense.

The world will never become a big family unless religion gets abolished. Too bad there isn't some aliens to come down to Earth and tell human kind how stupid it is and put us in our place.

reply to post by bluemirage5

Israel already identifies itself as a Jewish state re the relatively recent new legislation the Knesset passed. Fact is, Israel is the homeland for all Israelites....decendants of Jacob (Israel)....and not all of them are accepted as Jewish by today's standards among the Orthodox or halacha definition. Few Israelis understand the implications behind the story of Judah and Ephraim (Joseph's youngest son) and the meaning behind the Exodus out of Egypt; this is the end game and the "natural order of things" depending on what you believe, but it is these two that bring all the brothers home. Between now and then, it's tough times for Israel, no doubts about it. But Israel will always prevail and never again be taken by foreign powers, as much as they will try.

I take it youre a religious Jew?

Yes. I know the significance of Judah (Jews) and Ephraim (non-Jewish zionists , christians, muslims etc...basically those non Jews who possibly derive from the 10 lost tribes; Ephraim being a general name for the 10 lost tribes)

When Israel closes the gap between religious and the deep emotional and spiritual awareness of God, they will achieve anything. Israel has the ingrediants so luckily this won't be too difficult to achieve.

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Ive been studying Torah for over 6 years now. Taught myself to read biblical Hebrew (and getting better with Rabbinic Hebrew), study Kabbalah, chassidut...got around 200 books in my collection. From Samson Raphael Hirschs Horeb to writings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe to Rebbe Nachmans likutei Moharan...

I got a deep love for G-d, and thus his people, the only people on earth who care to do his will; Israel - the Jewish people.

The purpose of Torah is twofold; to inculcate in mankind proper morals; this being the Sheva mitzvoth Bnei Noach. And as Maimonides taught, for man to know G-d. The former is a prerequisite for the latter.

Torah thus challenges or disturbs the intentions of the global elite; and the secular/left Jewish leaders are working in cahoots with them. They want a one world order; without nationalities. without moral distinctions beyond basic law. Without the sexual taboos, against homosexuality, or anal sex, and other sexual perversions (all of which are sanitized in this society; minus rape)...They in other words want a world beyond good and evil, as Nietzsche taught. A world where possibly the state is revered as god. Think Brave New world

reply to post by gravitational


Gravitational have you read resolution 242? It is not a long document in any sense: Infact most UN Security Council resolution aren't long documents.

The Security Council,

Expressing its continuing concern with the grave situation in the Middle East,

Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security,

Emphasizing further that all Member States in their acceptance of the Charter of the United Nations have undertaken a commitment to act in accordance with Article 2 of the Charter,

Affirms that the fulfillment of Charter principles requires the establishment of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East which should include the application of both the following principles:

Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;

Affirms further the necessity

For guaranteeing freedom of navigation through international waterways in the area;
For achieving a just settlement of the refugee problem;
For guaranteeing the territorial inviolability and political independence of every State in the area, through measures including the establishment of demilitarized zones;

Requests the Secretary General to designate a Special Representative to proceed to the Middle East to establish and maintain contacts with the States concerned in order to promote agreement and assist efforts to achieve a peaceful and accepted settlement in accordance with the provisions and principles in this resolution;

Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Security Council on the progress of the efforts of the Special Representative as soon as possible.

www.mfa.gov.il...

I don't fully understand your question:

ho were the countries represented in the UN councils at the time

Do you mean who were the elected non-permanent members of the UN security council at the time? Are you trying to say that because Israel was not on the UN security council in 1967, that it is not bound to resolution 242. I have seen you state some crazy things, but even you know this is rediculous right?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by backinblack

 

Why would you even care? You are sitting behind a keyboard in the comforts of your own home in safety in lil Australia without a care in the world sipping on beer and making monkey sounds at your AFL home team.

Am I to take you seriously?

Aren't you in Australia too mate, though I don't see how that matters..

So do you agree with my previous post or do you just wish to carry on with insulting nonsense???

reply to post by dontreally

Im sure youve heard this argument before. Why is it ok for all the countries in the Americas to exist, when Spanish, British, French and Dutch colonialists stole that land from millions of natives??

I do not necassarily advocate this, but they do have a legal argument: The UN was not established till after WWII, therefor they were not legaly bound to international law when they colonised the U.S. The UN does not have legal authority to dictate pre-UN colonial creations. This is a legal argument not a moral argument. What you are doing is arguing semantics and you know the basis of your UN argument in relation to colonies established in the 1600's, 1700's and 1800's is a complete joke. This is your final attempt to discredit international law.

Read the book 'from time immemorial"

Ahh Joan Peters, the same person who said that Palestine was a deserted desert before the Jews came. The same book which was proven to be a fraud by Norman Finkelstein. The Jews do deserve a homeland under the legal borders which existed from 1949-1967. I am not advocating the removal of the Jewish state, I am arguing that as the UN member Israel must adhere to international law. Israel still exists as a state under international law. Infact they maintain about 79% of Palestine legally, rather then the 51-52% under the UN partition plan. These are the borders recognized under international law(in case you are confused):



You sir are deflecting the argument. The question is not how many Arabs lived in Palestine, the question is what is legal under international law, although if you are basing your argument on "from time immemorial" by Joan Peters, you sir are going to have trouble presenting an argument based on factual evidence.

Does international law respect that? Nope. For its own, philosophical reasons it denies the reality that religion is one of the main factors in most of the major international conflicts today.

Is that how you are going to justify Israels avoidance of international law? Your argument is weak and it does not change the fact that Israel as a UN member is bound by international law. How many times must I repeat myself?

First I brought up international law then you said Israel was not bound by it as this is a religous debate.
Then I said Israel is bound to it as a UN member, then you said it dosen't matter international law discriminates against religion therefor Israel is not bound by it. Then I said as a UN member Israel must adhere to the UN charter and is bound by international law, now you are saying it is not as this is a religoud conflict and those Muslims are crazy. Honestly your argument is slowly getting more stupid and stupid.

Not matter what your opinion of the UN and international law is, it does not change this fact. Israel is a member of the UN therefor it must adhere to the UN charter.

reply to post by dontreally


I regard myself more Secular than religious but I'm against what the elite are doing...it is not for the good of all Mankind. These globalists have their usefulness, they are a tool until they are no longer needed, then they can go off to no man's land. What they want and what they are going to get has only one outcome for them and will have no place for us in times to come.

Even rape has been sanitized. You only have to watch the media and it barely even gets mentioned let alone shock anyone. Then it's swept under the carpets as if it never happened while the victim is told to just forget about it and move on or she is turned in to the perpetrator.

Nice library, even I don't have that many books. You don't have to be Jewish to learn all these things. In fact, I'd support any non-Jew who does. These books are available for all who want to learn.

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reply to post by SpeachM1litant


I'm not much into religious arguments but one thing I'd like clarified if you can..

From what I've read in those books written by MAN,
God promised the land of Israel to,

According to the Book of Genesis, the land was promised by God to the descendants of Abraham through his son Isaac and to the Israelites, descendants of Jacob, Abraham's grandson. By this interpretation of sacred texts, the land forms part of the Biblical covenant between God and the Israelites.

en.wikipedia.org...

So, firstly how many in Israel are truly direct decedents of the above?
Secondly, whose to say that many of the decedents the of above are NOT Jewish today??
Many people change religions over time and 3000 years is a looonngg time!!


So IMO why should Israel be called a Jewish state??

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Israel may be bound by this "international law" treaty it has with the UN but in all reality if you have a problem in how Israel deals with the Palestinians they can always send in the UN peacekeepers....of course that won't be happening any time soon.....in fact it will NEVER happen. This I am 110% sure of.

reply to post by backinblack


All fair arguments, unfortunately they do not maintain much credence. Honestly I have to agree with you, the religous argument itself is relatively phony, as not every Jew is a decendent of Jacob. Many overtime have converted for economic, social and religous purposes (i.e. to escape poverty, to marry a Jew ect). Honestly I don't understand why people like dontreally use religion as the basis for advocating current Israeli foreign policy. Moderates like Eliad achieve far more by using secular arguments such as security as the basis for Israeli foreign policy, even though he himself conceeds alot.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Security is the basis for Israeli foreign policy. In fact, it HAS to be priority over all other matter!

reply to post by backinblack


Many Israelites are not aware they are decendants of Israel but not all will return.

As for the Israelis themselves....they ARE decendants of Jacob. How do they know? Hebrew is the oldest spoken and written language in the world today, it was created long before Arabic and any other language. Even English, French and Latin is relatively new compared to Hebrew and even Hebrew was'nt the first tongue spoken by the Hebrews.

We know how to keep our records

reply to post by bluemirage5


Well technically Hebrew is not the oldest language, there are many still in existence which pre-date it. The fact is the land has been fought over for many thousands of years, the Israelites weren't even the original inhabitants, it was through conquest the land was taken and the natives driven out.

It's time for humanity to move on from this tribalism, Israelite or not, you all worship the same God.

reply to post by lifeissacred


I never said Hebrew was the oldest tongue....I said it's the oldest spoken tongue and still exists in it's ancient form today.

Every land has been fought through conquest. Even yours and mine.

The fact is, the Arabs don't want the Jews to have their own independant land in the Middle East.....the Arabs don't want Israel, they just don't want the Jews to have it.

These wars all go back to sibling rivalry between 2 half brothers, Ishmael and Issac; just as there was sibling rivalry between 2 half brothers among the Hebrews.....sons born of Jacob and Leah.....and the sons born of Jacob and Rachel. Don't think for a moment the decendants of these two families of Leah and Rachel did'nt fight against eachother. Boy did they what, and even Joseph's decendants were almost wiped out; these were among the bloodiest battles ever fought in Israel and none of you even know about it.

Is it any different when 2 half brothers (or families) fight over their father's Will? Usually you'll fight over it until your last breath. In the Middle East you fight over it for thousands of years!

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by backinblack

 

Many Israelites are not aware they are decendants of Israel but not all will return.

As for the Israelis themselves....they ARE decendants of Jacob. How do they know? Hebrew is the oldest spoken and written language in the world today, it was created long before Arabic and any other language. Even English, French and Latin is relatively new compared to Hebrew and even Hebrew was'nt the first tongue spoken by the Hebrews.

We know how to keep our records

Perhaps you never hear about Chinese Civilization? Far older than your Hebrew, and I don´t see chinese people boasting about how old are they as a culture, and certainly they know how to keep their records. Maybe is that you need to feel superior to others in order to feed your common ego?? oh right... jews are the chosen ones.

reply to post by greenCo


There are almost 300 different languages spoken in China.....which one do you refer to?

Now pay attention.....

Hebrew is the oldest SPOKEN language in the world. It is still spoken in it's true ancient form.

Got it???

Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by TheUniverse

 

So kids playing soccer probably don't know any better?

Do you think Kids can 'randomly' walk into the massive courtyard where the Kaaba sits, without being kicked out by conscious authorities ie; video cameras, security guards??

The rule is this. If you consider something sacred, you treat is as sacred. You put guards around the perimeter, and if you have been to the Temple mount is by no means difficult, and you make sure that those who do come to the area are treating it with an expected level of holiness. Playing games, like soccer, or having picnics, shows the complete opposite.

Then alter your thoughts about soccer and picnics. Make them holy also for that is part of life.
A stone crypt represents all that is dead. Guards around a shrine is the tell tale signs of fascism, totalitarianism and elitism.

Water is holy yet you would use it to flush your excrement into the greater body of the river and to the sea, instead of burying it for the worms.
You don't think water is holy? Try going without it for any great length of time and when it touches your parched tongue and fills your dehydrated body with its holiness you will know its true glory and its power over you to bring happiness and life. No temple, stone, book, prophet, priest or rabbi will ever come close.
What you consider holy are the ideas within your mind and the accumulative effect of machinations from the ghosts of the past.

Today is the first step to your life, live it as there is no tomorrow for that is where your dreams reside. Check the truth, validity and sanity of your dreams by the efforts of the past. Your thinking creates a repetition of past experiments that are still not working to this day. You people are brothers but you hate each others thoughts and they are the illusions you live by. You will not know peace until you embrace your brother without your egomaniac illusions, the same principle territorial concept that has one bacteria fight off another bacteria. Your concept of god has condemned you to this ancient game of fight to the death,by your hate of another.
I can only pity your tormented souls.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by greenCo

 

There are almost 300 different languages spoken in China.....which one do you refer to?

Now pay attention.....

Hebrew is the oldest SPOKEN language in the world. It is still spoken in it's true ancient form.

Got it???

There are far older languages spoken than hebrew. Which one do you mean ? The one spoken by the elite at the time or the one from the common man in the streets?And what of the languages in Iraq or Iran could be some of the oldest continuous languages spoken like Neo-Aramaic and Assyrian in Iraq. These can be traced back in writing approx 5,000 years.
Then what of the Basque, they speak a language, from a scholars point of view, that directly descended from a non-Indo-European language.
The languages of Africa predate hebrew by thousands of years, of which are still spoken to this day.

reply to post by bluemirage5


And still neither side can see the pointlessness or the barbarity in all of the fighting.

Just give the land back to us Brits and maybe then we can all live in peace (sarcasm of course)