Why Palestinians want this video removed

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by dontreally

 

Patience is a great virtue.....

In the next war we WILL take back all the the Temple Mount and everything that belongs to us.

Thats really uncalled for

I'm surprised others comments were removed and not this because that seems to be hate speech and advocating Genocide; from what i'm reading



Im also perplexed i thought you already got your "war" to take back the temple mount. I"ve come to find evidence that MOSSAD could have been involved in the attacks on 911

The invaded the middle-east under a false-pretense of 911 (False-Flag) Committed by Mossad to Protect Israel and to Plunder resources from Iraq Afghanistan Etc.


Mossads Old Motto "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"?

Larry SilverStein Says: "I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


There are hundreds of threads in this forum filled with real Nazi Ideology.
Have you ever asked them to be moved or removed, or do you do that only when faced with inconvenient truths that support Israel?

Speaking of UN resolutions, if you want to debate them, put forth the relevant ones and not just wave with “ UN ruled this and that so deal with it”.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


geeze, why? there are billions and billions of these guys.

ala carl sagan.

sorry, thought that was pretty funny.

disrespect for the isreali's.

oh ya,

but it is in retaliation for what?



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Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
Mods a preposition. Move this thread to Origins and Creationism or Conspiracies in Religion. This has no inherent value in the discussion of Israeli foreign policy, Israel-Palestine of the Middle East. It is laced with religous prophecy and predictions. Never have I before seen such a group of zealots wishing for the murder of Arabs and the elavation of Jewish racial superiority at one time expressing their Nazi viewpoints (ironic) in the Middle East discusion forum. And trust me I have seen alot of that from both sides on here, in this forum.

@dontreally, instead of throwing accusation of socialism in the face of the UN, actually back your argument with concrete proof.

edit on 25-6-2011 by SpeachM1litant because: (no reason given)

I whole-Heartedly Agree they seem to be advocating Genocide in the posts and the posts were not removed; whats up with that

I thought that wasn't allowed.!!!!!!

As the creator of the video asked, I have downloaded it and will mirror it on MY Youtube channel.

While many ATS posters may call the Bible/Torah/Koran "Fairy tales," the fact remains that to the people who live there, these books are Holy Scripture. What I find totally disingenuous of the Muslims though, is their insistence on ridding the Holy Land of any Jewish presence when their own scripture tells the the opposite. JERUSALEM IS FOR THE JEWS! This fact is spelled out very clearly in the Koran itself.(The particular verses are listed in the video.)

That Muslims of today totally disregard what they consider to be the actual words of God (as given to Mohammed through the angel Gabriel) in favor of current political considerations is just one of the things that cause me to believe that Islam is a false religion, and has been since its inception. IMO, Mohammed simply took what he wanted from the Torah and the Bible and made up the story about being visited by the messenger of God in order to justify his own despicable actions and lifestyle.

By his own admission, as related in the Koran and the in the Hadiths written after his death, Mohammed was a liar, a thief, a murderer, and a pedophile. You will not find these "attributes" among ANY of the other prophets of God: another reason why I believe Islam to be a false religion.

I hold no malice towards ANY person who honestly tries to worship God to the best of their ability; but when Muslims ignore, and indeed scoff at, the teachings of their own scripture, then at best they are only lying to themselves, and at worst they are defying the will of God.

S&F for the OP

Originally posted by TheUniverse

Originally posted by SpeachM1litant
Mods a preposition. Move this thread to Origins and Creationism or Conspiracies in Religion. This has no inherent value in the discussion of Israeli foreign policy, Israel-Palestine of the Middle East. It is laced with religous prophecy and predictions. Never have I before seen such a group of zealots wishing for the murder of Arabs and the elavation of Jewish racial superiority at one time expressing their Nazi viewpoints (ironic) in the Middle East discusion forum. And trust me I have seen alot of that from both sides on here, in this forum.

@dontreally, instead of throwing accusation of socialism in the face of the UN, actually back your argument with concrete proof.

edit on 25-6-2011 by SpeachM1litant because: (no reason given)

I whole-Heartedly Agree they seem to be advocating Genocide in the posts and the posts were not removed; whats up with that

I thought that wasn't allowed.!!!!!!

And yet, it's never genocide when the Arab Occupation kills Jews and Christians in rocket/shooting/arson/suicide bomb/bulldozer/anti tank missile attacks is it? No, because the Palis can do no wrong. Get back on your ethnic peace bicycle, take your liberality elsewhere.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

On this thread I see a bunch of zealots, advocating the murded of Arabs, non-Jews, Gentiles and anyone opposed to Zionism and critical of Israel foreign policy. They use religion as the basis to justify these barbaric claim

Umm. who in this thread advocated the murder of Arabs, or Gentiles?

However the most ironic thing is, that these same zealots, use the violent passages in the Koran to demonize the Muslims and Islam.

What are you talking about? zealot is an over used word. For instance, you are a secular zealot. You preach the same old crap of 'international law says this", when international discriminates against the religious.

Its amazing that liberal people are often the most unliberal in their treatment of those who disagree with their libertine, moral relativistic philosophy.

So ya. At the end. International law is agreement between a bunch of people who think the same way; who share the same philosophy. Those of a religious inclination; for instance, the Jews, with their metaphysical philosophy and slightly strange (though symbolic) religious observances, are called racists, because "zionism", ie; the religious ideal of 'zion', returning to Eretz Yisrael, and settling there, practicing their religious beliefs, in peace and in harmony with neighboring nations, is circumvented by both the arbitrary intentions of International law - ie; to effect their own secular/atheistic ends, and Arabs who for their own religious reasons oppose the imposition of Jews in Dar Al Islam..

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Not just luck, many people in the US/UK/EU are supportive of Israel, and we have nukes. So, if any Muzzie nations try anything stupid, it will be our pleasure to put them back in the stone age, where their religion is popular.

Israel isn't the only country with nukes..
Be careful what you wish for, Israel is a tiny target.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


You CANNOT talk about politics in the middleast without talking about religion. So please, give it up with this 'international law' shpiel you keep yapping about.

The middleast is a RELIGIOUS land. It is completely different from the political realities were used to here in america; and even then, religion and politics cannot be totally removed without affecting the interests of the religious (hence, lobbying groups representing religious interests).

OK? This is a simple rudimentary concept. Religion, and politics, are tied. This thread would be pointless in another forum. It is addressing a current political issue; the temple mount. Im sorry 'speechmilitant', but religion is relevant here.

If you think differently, i guess that answer yours question of 'how the UN is socialist'. Socialists tend to kill off, or muzzle their their opposition. They cannot tolerate any difference of opinion.

reply to post by dontreally

You CANNOT talk about politics in the middleast without talking about religion. So please, give it up with this 'international law' shpiel you keep yapping about.

So are you finally admitting that Israel has NO intention of negotiating borders and is instead pushing for the religious version of their "promised land" ??

If so I'd have to agree with you for the very first time.

reply to post by dontreally

The distance from the Temple Mount to Mecca is 666 miles.

Daniel 3:1-5 "Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof six cubits: ... That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up:"

Threescore = 60 x 6 cubits x 6 instruments.

A symbol of false worship and idolatrous arrogance.

reply to post by bluemirage5

Patience is a great virtue.....

In the next war we WILL take back all the the Temple Mount and everything that belongs to us

You know the Temple Mount is also a Muslim Holy Site. It doesn't Belong to any particular Religion

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In PEACE

Is it just that you only want Jews/Christians to be able to visit Temple Mount and Not Muslims?

Why?

Wikipedia - Temple Mount

Among Sunni Muslims Temple Mount is the 3rd most Holiest site in Islam

The Muslims even constructed the Dome; yet you claim your going to take it back and that it belongs to us(I'd assume you mean't Jews/Judaism By that)

Revered as the Noble Sanctuary (Bait-ul-Muqaddas) and the location of Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven, the site is also associated with Jewish biblical prophets who are also venerated in Islam.[citation needed] After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad Caliphs commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site.[3] The Dome was completed in 692 CE, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures in the world, after the Kaabah. The Al Aqsa Mosque rests on the far southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca. The Dome of the Rock currently sits in the middle, occupying or close to the area where the Bible mandates the Holy Temple be rebuilt.

In light of the dual claims of both Judaism and Islam, it is one of the most contested religious sites in the world. Since the Crusades, the Muslim community of Jerusalem has managed the site as a Waqf, without interruption.[5] As part of the Old City, controlled by Israel since 1967, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority claim sovereignty over the site, which remains a major focal point of the Arab-Israeli conflict.[6] In an attempt to keep the status quo, the Israeli government enforces a controversial ban on prayer by non-Muslim visitors.

reply to post by dontreally


Why can't you just accept that Jerusalem is one of the most important cities for all three Abrahamic faiths? Christians, Muslims and Jews all consider Abraham a biblical patriarch, you all accept almost all of the same prophets and you all believe in one God.

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Let's start with resolution 242 and 338, to that we can also add resolution 252, 256(in regard to Israeli violation of UN charter), 267, 271(reaffirming that acquisition of territory through war is inadmissable), 298(the principle that acquisition of territory by military conquest is inadmissible), 316, 337 (Israeli violation of the Charter of the United Nations), 446, 452, 465, 469, 471, (skiped a few) 1322, 1397, 1402, 1405, 1435, 1515 and 1544.

Let's also discuss Israel's failture to adhere to the UN charter and Israels failure to adhere to the Geneva convention.
If you are tyring to argue that Israel is not and has never been in violation of multiple security council resolutions, the UN charter -which it as a member of the UN must adhere to- and the Geneva convention, then you sir are going to have a very hard time at presenting a legitimate argument.

reply to post by dontreally


bluemirage for starters called for more murder and war, while you are essentially justifying murder and war on the principles of a return to Eretz Israel(which would be guess what? a violation of international law).

Um international law defends the religous and the secular. Which articles of the UN Charter and the Geneva convention, (not to mention the multiple trade laws and so forth) attempt to discriminate against the religous. These laws do not say "being Jewish is illegal", they say things like stealing land is ilegal. If your religion advocates stealing land from others, then I guess you can say international law does discriminate against it in some sense.

You can call me a liberal all you want (even though I don't see myself as one) but nothing you say changes the fact that Israel is a member of the UN, therefor Israel must adhere to the UN charter as it is legaly bound to it. Religion is not a justification for war, annexation of territory, murder and expulsion of peoples. We do not live in the Middle Ages.

I hate repeating myself, but you are forcing me to. Israel is bound by international law, therefor Israel must adhere to the principles of international law, including the inadmissabilty of the acqusition of territory through war.Your religous scripture has no credence in settling conflict, so do not use it as a justification for breaking the law and killing people.

reply to post by dontreally


You cannot seperate International Law when discussing the Middle East. I understand the religous context of the Middle East, however this does not place them outside of the law.

Are you advocating that Israeli foreign policy (which Israel claims is secular) is or should be based on religous doctrine and the institutionalization of Judiasm?

I am not to concerned with this, but as Israel claims to have a secular, liberal and democratic foreign policy it must not be hypocritical and pursue religous doctrines. If it wishes to do so, it should claim outright that its foreign policy is decided by religion just like Iran does.

I realise you have a very limited conceptual understanding of realism, politics, international law and secular politics, just like I have a very limited conceptual understanding of religion. However, I can explicitly state that law has credence over religion. In Australia it is ilegal to sacrifice animals therefor a religous person cannot do so without facing legal consequences. Law wins.

I would disagree with you. The UN is more capitalist then socialist. The multiple trade orginizations and economic orginizations adhere to free market principles. The UN attempts to achieve peace and aviod killing, although as an imperfect orginization member states may exploit their position in order to elivate their power and achieve certain goals. These may kill people. However, if one looks at history they can see that prior to the UN there was far more death and destruction. You still have not shown me concrete proof of the UN's "murderour, Jew hating, socialist" goals.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Haha Mr militant.
I'm not going to make your job easy. If you want to talk about Israel breaking UN resolutions, you need to be specific. 242 is a long document you know, But first you need to establish who were the countries represented in the UN councils at the time and from there we can move on and have a nice (or not) debate.
There is a catch however, I hope you are smart enough to identify it.