My name is hussein, and I have a message for you

Originally posted by MareBellator
reply to post by guitarplayer

 

By asking that I'm assuming you've fallen for the whole "iranians are anti-semitic" tale.
FYI, jews live and worship freely in Iran.

Contrary to the claims made by Tehran’s apologists [particularly those on the political left like Roger Cohen], Iranian Jews suffer under one of the worst forms of persecution under Iran’s Islamic regime.



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Hussein, not everybody from America is like you think. Most of those that you met are insecure frankly because they are uneducated, they do not know better.

If I saw you I wouldn't send any negative energy your way, in fact, you would receive a smile and a greeting.

Keep up your good spirit and don't let others get you down.

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must have something to do with that Iranian connection to the worldwide net hahahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by MareBellator

 

must have something to do with that Iranian connection to the worldwide net hahahahahahahahaha

Stop being an anti-semite. Why are you making fun of some poster?

Welcome to ATS , your coments triggered lot of girls here , They are exposed by Default. one word "Haters"

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So anti-semitic friend has finally arrived!

We know you can't help yourself on these threads!

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Man, that was wonderful and truly a beacon for anyone of any religion. If you think negative your future outlook seems negative. If you think positive, your future is positive. One day many of us will think like you my friend and will have a future that shines!!!!

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Much love brother and great post. We are all family and those who would separate us will not prevail. I will pray on this matter. I am from the United States and please know that not all people are the same. May you be blessed in all that you do!

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

 

So anti-semitic friend has finally arrived!

We know you can't help yourself on these threads!

edit on 23-6-2011 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

Umm you are the one who is anti-semetic, but I will leave it at that as everyone on other threads will see that you are the troll.

SO what do you think about the OPs message blue-mirage?

I agree with a lot of what you said on the other hand too many people from this country think that the United States is the greatest country in the world if that were true how come healthcare isn't free? How come the very foundation of this country is based off of war and treachery? I think in the near future we'll begin to see that we are not the next Roman Empire and mainstream media needs to stop brainwashing people to believe that western democracy is threatened by the Islamic religion cant we all just get along

Yep I get it...and do agree...but...yes there is a but, This is not, nor ever will be a perfect world...and prejudice is a learned response, whether nurture or nature it is a fact of life, YES even "nature" plays a part. It is instinctual to find a common enemy among those with different views. Humans, one day...may rise above this instinctual limitation to understanding, and tolerance...but there will always be through-backs that will appose the majorities wisdom, so there will always theoretically, be conflict on some level.Text Black

Originally posted by guitarplayer

Originally posted by MareBellator
reply to post by guitarplayer

 

By asking that I'm assuming you've fallen for the whole "iranians are anti-semitic" tale.
FYI, jews live and worship freely in Iran.

Contrary to the claims made by Tehran’s apologists [particularly those on the political left like Roger Cohen], Iranian Jews suffer under one of the worst forms of persecution under Iran’s Islamic regime.


Read more: newsflavor.com...

Hey, It may be true, I'm certainly not doubting it. All I was saying is that there are jews in Iran and they practice their faith there in secret. As to your question of wether or not they'll invite you if you were a jew with open arms, some might others wont. My point is Iran isn't just one big islamic, jew-hating organism as the media would like you to think.

Oh Dear,,,,

You are arguing with each other,

Well done OP, you just hit the nail on the coffin Sir.
No matter the message, conflict is the victory man,
.

Welcome to the forum. I hope you stick around, and we can ALL be part of this branch,

PS:
I see this tree, with branches as a non religious tree,
I see this tree, with branches as a total human feeling, with no religious intent.
I see the op's starting words as taken as religious.

No matter who says what, there is division.
Division can be called freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech could be called a democracy
A democracy is what the USA calls itself.
The USA go around the world killing in the name of Democracy and freedom

Division is in our DNA people. I could be the most religious man on earth, with a loving heart, I will still cause division and have hatred in my heart.

I see religion as a personal thing. I think the meaning or the liking of God has been lost in translation.
There can be only 1 god, we know this. So this leads to religious hatred and wars.
I live 30 miles from the most vile, bigoted, hate filled society on EARTH.
Trust me, Glasgow is a WARZONE, its Irelands voice. And sadly (google this) its 2 football (soccer for real) sides that are the centre of this.

We all live with religious hatred. A polish player came to play for the Catholic side of Glasgow, Celtic FC.
The player was Artur Boruc. (Google this)
This man blessed himself before EVERY game in his life, before he was signed to play in Glasgow for Celtic FC.

Division is seen as a worldy thing, but really, It lives in your street. perhaps in your house, perhaps in YOU.

Peace to all, and if you want to believe in God, not go to church, live a good honest life and believe in just doing the god dawn fekin thing, then I will respect you more than ANY preacher. Preachers also live in streets, and there might be one in your own house.

Drop the religion, believe in God as just a being, and then perhaps we might have no wars in this planet.
I have been hit a few times because I am Catholic. Scotland is a Prodestant Country.

If I was to ask the question
Is there god and is there a devil.
If the answer is yes.
then sadly the Devil runs our world. Because no world full of REAL god, make your own if needed people, its run by, my reliogon is right, yours is wrong, therfor you are a bad person.


I am a white male, have a ton of American friends, love Stargate, Love the X files. Have a love for people of the USA as I know TONS.
If I had stareted this thread with MY story, being of my place. would the thread have went another way?

That ladies and Gents isnt the answer. Its the answer to a very obvious question.

Originally posted by Andronian
Yep I get it...and do agree...but...yes there is a but, This is not, nor ever will be a perfect world...and prejudice is a learned response, whether nurture or nature it is a fact of life, YES even "nature" plays a part. It is instinctual to find a common enemy among those with different views. Humans, one day...may rise above this instinctual limitation to understanding, and tolerance...but there will always be through-backs that will appose the majorities wisdom, so there will always theoretically, be conflict on some level.Text Black

I like that response you gave me a visual understanding with your words you got all philosophical right there Lol.

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There are individual members of every religion who are pacifist, while there are individuals of each who are criminally insane. Do not forget that many slave owners were Christian; some even taught Christianity upon their SLAVES. Haha, the ignorance at that point went broke the scale! Then after realizing slavery was actually a bad thing we scroll down to segregation while a majority of Americans were Christian at the time. So ignorance comes at all directions, I suggest you stop yours.

Great thread my friend.We all bleed red,no?make peace not war!

Great thread my friend.We all bleed red,no?make peace not war!

Welcome Hussein! My name is Jodi, I live in Colorado, USA. I follow no organized religion myself as I find it all too hypocritical and much evil has been done in the name of religion unfortunately. I would like to take a moment to comment on your post.

~ I do not hate, I find it disheartening that you make such accusations about people you don't know.
~ I agree that I am probably fairly ignorant of other religions, cultures and ways. I could probably stand to learn more about other countries, but to be honest I'm quite content just living my life in peace with my own family. Not to say I'm an isolationist, but I just don't have the motivation to make it my life's work to understand everyone else out there. Just as I suspect that you are just as ignorant of me and the people in my country. Judging from this post I can see that you are ignorant of how your typical American lives. That most people just want to live their lives, free of intrustion. It sounds like you can understand that sentiment though.
~ It is within the human nature to have a big ego, but being a woman I see it as a very male trait. A trait based in fear of being less than someone else. Even some of your questions are based in your own ego. Ego isn't necessarily a bad thing unless it gets out of balance with the whole of who we are if that makes much sense. (I sometimes have a difficult time putting my thoughts down coherently so I apologize in advance for that)
~ You say please respect other humans as if I don't. I do respect all living things, just as most people do. You can not take a small minority of people and assume that they speak for the whole of an entire country. Just as you don't want Americans to assume that all muslims are terrorist, I ask you to not assume that all Americans have no respect for other humans.
~ It is not my place to judge anothers heart, but I also believe that at a very primal level we all judge others. We judge so we can assess safety. And I will address the white elephant in the room here. American's have the past experience that terrorist are middle eastern and most do not know the difference between one middle eastern country and another. Just the same as I bet you couldn't tell the difference between an American from Colorado vs. Wisconsin. I remember my mother used to tell me that past experience was a good indication of the future. This is of course not to say that all middle easterners are terrorist, but please be patient and understanding that a lot of America is gun shy given our past experience.

I am sorry that you had a bad visit here, but you can not judge all American's based on your one experience with a small group of American's. It was wrong of them to assume such things, this I whole heartedly agree. I'm not familiar with where Universal Studios is, but I am thinking it is down in Florida and maybe there is one in California. Now if it happens to be Florida I think it is important for me to point something out that I recently learned. My parents were working in a retirement community in Florida and my mother told me of how horrible the people were, even the older ones at the retirement community. Now this is 'mom', the woman who can go into a grocery store for a couple of things and come out with five new friends. She is the friendliest, most loving women on the face of the earth. I have never ever heard my mom tell me that someone was awful, mean, spiteful or otherwise say a bad word about anyone until she went to Florida. She said hey were loud, crass, rude, in your face and generally just not very friendly people. Well turns out that a lot of people from the east coast (New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, ect..) go down to Florida. It is a retirement spot for the east coast as well, but a lot of the east coast people go there to visit. I would think that if those people harassing you happened to be from the east coast and closer to New York that they may have friends or family who were effected by the 9/11 bombings. They are defensive, angry and ready to vilify anyone who looks as though they might be a terrorist. Their personal experiences have told them that terrorists are middle eastern there for middle easterners are suspect. Not that they are always one in the same, but when middle eastern terrorists attacked your city you are suspicious of them much in the same way as if you were in Iraq and American soldiers bombed or shot up your town that you would probably look at most American men with suspect until you could safely be sure they were not going to harm you or try to.
~ I also feel the same things you feel. I just want to live my life without fear. I want to live in peace, enjoy my life and my family without interference. I don't want to live in fear that some crazed person or group wants me dead simply because they think I stand for something that I really don't. Or because maybe I don't believe the same as they do. I have four boys and me and my husband have always told them that most people just want to be left alone to live their lives in peace without interference of anyone telling them how to be, what to believe, how to live, how not to live, ect.. To each their own. You live your way in peace, I live my way in peace and everyone is happy.
~ I do a lot of reading on this website myself as it is very informative as well as very entertaining. I don't often participate though because it seems to be filled with aggressive men with something to prove. However there are a lot of good people and there is a lot of good information here. I grew up with the idea that wherever there is organized government or religion that there is bound to be corruption. I was told to question everything and not to just believe what I was told. To question not only what you were being told, but who was telling it and what their motives may be. I would never tell you that only your country has a bad or rather corrupt government, that would be ignorant. I believe that ALL governments are corrupt and bad.

~ The reason people just regurgitate what the government tells everyone is because the government is the master of disguise, no one knows what to believe. Is it true, is it not.. what part of it is truth, what part of it is false, it is all very difficult to decipher. What you need to understand is that there is a basis in the hatred. Now you say hatred for Islam and maybe it is a language barrier, but people do not hate Islam, they hate middle eastern terrorists. The ignorance comes in not knowing an Iraqi from an Afghanistan person from any other person from a middle eastern country. You assume that America hates Islamic people and that is simply not true. There is a basis for our hatred of middle eastern terrorist, don't assume that to mean that all of Americans hate Islam, that is ignorance on your part.

~ If you are looking you could certainly find a lot of evidence to support your belief, but it would never represent the whole of America. America is vast country with a lot of people so you could go to 100 different places and find 100 different type of opinions, people, ect.. You seem to be looking for the differences in 'us' vs. 'you', but as you see we are really not so different. I do not believe any religious text as there are too many bad things in them all. And being female I'm not a big fan of the Quran or the Bible as they are not very friendly of women. I don't care what message is pulled out of a religious text to try and prove something right or wrong, I could never take it seriously because I believe they were texts written by man and have nothing to do with God. Which speaking of women, why is it that in many middle eastern countries a woman has to cover herself from head to toe simply because a man might think unclean thoughts? Is it not the mans responsibility to control his own thinking, why must women be hidden because men can't control what they think? I don't think that God meant for women to be hidden away, covered from head to toe and I know many other women who believe the same.

~ You do realize that any thinking person would never believe that everyone has a bomb, that's just silly to think such a thing. I also have never seen, heard or had any experience with bombs of any sort and would like to keep it that way! There is extremist everywhere, all you have to do is look for it. But fortunately they do not represent the majority. This holds true for you and your country the same as it does for me and mine. As for free speech, yes we do. So long as my rights do not infringe on yours then we can say what we like. You don't have to like what I say anymore than I have to like what you have to say, but it can still be said. You can not legislate morality because everyone has different morals. What you may view as hate I view as ignorance. It may be hateful, it may be ignorant but telling someone they can't say what they wish simply doesn't work. Again, you can not legislate morality. If your name was Adolf Hitler and you went around saying bad things about Jews then well, that's your right. I would say however, that it isn't very wise to do so and you may not like the results. But by all means, I support your right to be a moron if that is what you chose to do. Like my father used to say "get a thicker skin, just because someone is ignorant and says something stupid doesn't mean that you have to be upset by it."


~ You can not speak for all your country just as I can not speak for all of mine. In both of our countries there are people who treat women badly in the name of religion, torture their enemies for religious reasons and so on. Thankfully they are in the minority and it isn't a common occurring thing. I have serious doubts as to weather or not our ideas of respect are the same thing. If you respect women so much, why are women not allowed in a lot of places to go out uncovered? I agree that much of western civilization has sexualized women and children far too much, but that I blame on men. Most women want the same freedom to just live their lives and not have to hide away or be a sexual object. However most men are respectful of women, at least the ones I know. I can not think of a single man in my life who wasn't respectful of me, but it is because I demand respect and I am a respectable person.

~ I am sorry to hear that most of the people you know do not like America, but if they are basing their opinion of America on television then they are ignorant of what America really is. We are not our government, they very rarely represent us. I have to admit however that I view Iraq, Afghan and many other middle eastern countries as oppressive, extremist, too religious, and self righteous. Then again I could say the same of my own country in many ways, no one is the better person errrr country here. Every country has their share of troubles. We have bad people just as your country has bad people.

~ You assume that I think people in my country are better than people in other countries, this is simply not true. I am aware that there are bad people, corrupt government officials, terrorist and many evil things done by Americans. Just as I am aware that these things happen in many other countries. Everyone is so defensive and shouting oh yeah, well what about you.. your bad too. HUMANS are bad and I can guarentee you that it has very little to do with what country your from. You are no worse and no better than I am, yet we are both capable of compassion, love and peace.

~ Not everyone has a nice house, car, air conditioning, food, ect.. I am sorry that there are people in the world who do not have as much as I do, what is it that you expect? Would you like me give up my home, give my car away, live in the slums so that I'm just like those who have very little? What have you done about it personally? Have you donated half your pay to someone less fortunate? Have you helped someone better themselves? Me and my husband work hard for the things we have, we give back to the community, we donate, we participate in Kiva loan and the Heifer project.. what do you do? It is not wrong to feel that I deserve the things that I work to have. I am however very blessed and appreciative for the things I do have. Most people don't sit around complaining about what they have. Wanting more isn't the same as not having appreciation. If you work hard for what you have and want more so you work harder to have more then why is that a bad thing? I do not take away from others simply so that I can have more, very few people do.

~ What gives you the right to assume what America thinks? These things you assume Americans think are govt. propaganda and most thinking people know it to be untrue. Most people do not think anywhere near what you believe they do. I only wish you could just come and sit down with me and my family to see what real Americans are like.

~ Why do you sit here in judgement when you yourself live in a country where the government is just as corrupt as the one you complain about? Who are you to judge? I am afraid to visit a middle eastern country, I would never go to any of them. I can't imagine being forced to cover myself just to go out into public, but beyond that I am far too fearful to ever step foot in your country.

~ Here is the human part of me coming out. Osama Bin Laden helped start al-Qaeda in 1988. Then after the attacks he praised the attacks as divine blows” against America. INNOCENT people were killed and he praised this action? And you wonder why people had ill feelings towards the man? I'm not even talking about what our govt. tells us about him, I'm smart enough to not believe everything I'm told. But it was Osama who praised the attacks. The human part of me reacting to these things is glad that he was removed from society where he encourage more evilness to happen in the world. This is not to say I'm excited/happy/exuberant over someones death, but I understand those effected by his evilness to feel as such. The thinking logical part of me says that no matter how evil, he deserved to try and prove himself innocent. If he masterminded the 9/11 attacks, then that would make him a dispicable human and capable of an evil that I can not even comprehend. Much like Hitler it was better for the rest of the world if he were not here. We all deserve to be safe and you can't be safe with people like that in the world. The victims of 9/11 deserve to be heard as well, not just the perpetrators or the instigators. I like your Martin Luther King Jr. quote and agree with it. I do not rejoice in Osamas death, I am relieved though.

~ I ask the same of you. Please stop thinking you are better than Americans, that your religion is better, please stop hating Americans for where we come from and what we believe. Don't pre judge us as you have done with this entire post. Please stop your judgement, your ignorance and your hate of Americans when you don't know what real Americans are like. You judge us all based on a few and that is just as wrong as if any American were to do it. I do not judge you based on a few extremist in your country, please do not judge me based on a few Americans you met in an amusement park.

As you can see Hussein, these things are not exclusive to American's. We are not who you think we are anymore than you probably are not what we think you are. We focus too much on our differences and not enough on the things we have in common. I am a good person, I love my family and friends, I am good to others, I help those that I can, I do not judge, I do not assume anything. I just want to live my life in peace, to be happy and to live my life as I see fit without interference of someone telling me how I should or shouldn't live my life. I can accept that your a good person and probably not all that different from myself. THIS is your average American.

excellent post, OP. whether you're "real" or "fake" doesn't matter as much as the discussion that's been generated.

my take on it is we all need to be canadian! in toronto, montreal, calgary, vancouver, edmonton and whatevever other cosmo cities we have here, muslims, christians, zoroastrians, buddhists, hindus, and whatever else you've got live and work shoulder to shoulder with very little racial/religious hate violence. and in toronto, christian/europeans are a minority, i'm sure. i love canada for it's unique opportunity to show the world we CAN all live in harmony.