I'm Becoming a Skeptic. This Stuff Borders on Cult..

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Its entirely your problem if you cannot accept the circus-like atmosphere that surrounds the biggest conspiracy theories. There is no organization to this conspiracy theory or others so there are no set rules or beliefs as to what you can think or do about this subject.

I and many others who think extraterrestrials are coming to this planet covertly are perfectly capable of sifting through the information and coming to our own conclusions without being dissuaded by the more extremist elements.

After having seen a few UFOs in my life I'm acutely aware of the reality of this conspiracy. I don't know any specifics, but I do know one thing. Our daily lives spent ignoring it are a joke. Ignoring this subject is like ignoring a tumor or like reading a newspaper as your house burns down around you.

Think what you want, go back to what you think is real, and we'll continue on without you.

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Yep, it gets pretty crazy. Those pictures of the man and woman you posted are some beings the new agers follow. There's meant to be an alien species out there that is telepathically sending a bunch of medium-types messages. Some people who follow the messages of these channelers don't even know they're the same as all the other new age messages out there, only with an alien slant. From everything I've read on the topic, it's obvious channelers are getting the messages from demons. Bad idea to follow the teachings.

Fact is, if aliens exist, they may (or may not) be a lot smarter than us...but they aren't going to be perfect. They'd make mistakes (even if rarely), which could be far worse than our own due to their advanced technology. I'm not saying Stephen Hawking is right - that they're going to come here and blow us to smithereens and loot the planet - but I'm saying that a high level of intelligence doesn't necessarily mean they'll be peaceful, and it certainly doesn't mean they'll be free of mistakes.

Lastly, there's a big difference between respect and worship. Respect is good...but worship is for God alone.

I agree OP that a lot of the New Age and right wing religious groups have hijacked the UFO phenomenon and are quite cultish, but when dealing with UFOlogy you just have to ignore those people and focus on the real evidence. And while the evidence certainly isn't as cut and dry as we would like, there is still some legitimate evidence and testimonies that are hard to just dismiss. The saying is so true, "It's good to be open minded, but not so much that your brain falls out." OP your brain is clearly still in tact thankfully, but that doesn't mean you have to give up on UFOs, something odd is clearly going on.

whether UFO's are real or not, Life is too short.
As of today I have not seen a UFO nor have I seen anything that would make me believe.
If I see one tomorrow, I will say wow, but then my life will go on because I got a google to the power of 10 to 1 chance of being killed by an alien. I will surely die of something else.

Yea, and every religion on this planet borders on cult too, and I don't see you going off on a rant in the religion forum about that. Using examples such as "pokemon = extraterrestrial life" is borderline retarded and shows your lack of understanding of the wider study of extraterrestrial life. There's a big difference between fringe nuts who espouse wild theories about "channelling" aliens and mainstream believers/experts. You also show an astounding lack of understanding in so far as that the "alien/ufo" discussion does not just center on "flying saucers", but rather can expand to discuss the possibility of life on far off star systems. To discount alien life based on the fact that you aren't into what a random sampling of internet users are shows that your appreciation for thought and logic is obviously fundamentally flawed; most likely you will never be able to fully comprehend any type of logical evidence that we are not alone. There are over 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone; even if we are the ONLY civilization in our galaxy, there are 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe; extrapolate those numbers and you begin to understand that it is almost mathematically impossible for us to be the only life; and extremely unlikely that we are the only intelligent life out there.

But enjoy bleating about Pokemon. Comparing a bunch of delusional nutsos to a topic that encourages substantive discussion shows me that you obviously aren't informed enough to be taken seriously.

There are some very ancient writings, that I know of, that give a perfect description, of what these things are. And also their intentions.It's phenomenal, the amount of people who want to believe this so bad, when they find out how foolish they've been. Well you're sett'in yourselves up big time. I know that.

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by miniatus
I believe in alien visitation mainly for two reasons..

1. Probability favors aliens exist.

No, it doesn't.

Are you saying that the probability that life exists somewhere else in the entire cosmos, is not favored -

Or that the probability that aliens in ufo's are visiting earth, is not?

1 I agree with.

Originally posted by TheLogicalist
Usual Disclosure: This is My Opinion...

Following this subject for the last 3-4 years, has just gotten frustrating...I was open minded on Aliens probably visiting this planet... Open Minded on the Government Covering it up.
I'm very well read on many UFO/Alien Books, and will continue to be so.
I'm slowly realizing that there really is almost no proof.
This subject has been alive since nearly 100+ years. I'm talking about Modern UFO sightings..

This echoes my very feeling of the subject these days. When I first signed on to this site I was a believer in ufo and alien visitation. There was no way in my mind that we weren't being visited...

But after being on this site for few years now it's made me realize that the evidence is very weak. There seems to be the same types of crap videos or hoaxes popping up. Of just another light in the night sky. Lots of times these things seem to be just misidentified.... even by pilots...

There is no proof of alien visitation. It's been created by peoples imaginations.

Now don't get me wrong, I do believe that there are other living beings out there. The place is just too big.

But, I don't think they are here. I don't think they have found us. There are no signs of intelligent life anywhere near us within hundreds of light years....

And I do think that many are beginning to realize this...

No.. the evidence is not weak, it has not changed. You are mistaking a deluge of reports from people just wanting attention (and because of the advent of so much video equipment + youtube), with UFOs being non-existent.

The solid reports and cases that formed the UFO following are still there. And more are still occurring, like in Texas, for instance. Where it used to be that perhaps 85% of reports wree false, now.. probably this is closer to 98%. But that doesn't negate the important cases. It's kind of sad that ridiculous threads get dozens of pages, and legitimate, solid cases get less than 10 pages. People enjoy the dramatic, sensationalist and new - they don't like wallowing in the old and solid.

The evidence has not gone anywhere - you are just concentrating on the ridiculous.

Dont let yourself go

While major events like Phoenix Lights remain unexplained every single effort counts and will be helpful.

We spend hours dismissing CGIs and all forms of hoaxes but sometimes there are truly gigantic phenomena.
Like a fresh rose in a mountain of dump.

I dont really post in the aliens/ufo section on this account. I did on my previous account, but the insanity and flaming has gotten ridiculous in the last few yrs. Here UFO automatically equals aliens and mothership invasions.. when that is simply not true.

You can be a skeptic and open minded at the same time without conflict. Most rational adults can handle that. The problem is, as we even see on this thread, are the demands of group think and blind belief without questioning. For whatever reason ATS has become a haven for the hoaxers and blind believers.. and OP I agree... its nearly cultish. You can not have a decent conversation anymore concerning even the possibility of what UFOs are or if aliens exist without the hysterics flooding in. The exact same thing that has happened in the ufology community has also happened in the paranormal community. You are simply not allowed to question or express your own opinion without the blind believers gathering and demanding you think just as they do concerning a subject with so much questionable evidence and differing theories. The fact is that there is no one size fits all, there are no "industry standards" for evidence, and there are no governing bodies to sift through the plethora of reports and data with clean eyes. So we are left to discuss it amongst ourselves, and some simply cant handle that..... or differing views. Most times you can not even point out obvious CGI without being flamed or stalked.

Some of us actually wish to speak about these things and want to believe.. but we dont want to believe everything blindly. We also demand a better quality of evidence than obvious CGI or badly photographed balls of light to base our BELIEF on. Im always interested in the personal accounts of contact and abduction.. I find it interesting. But dont dare question anything the person reports.. youll be a dirty skeptic ( this is routinely used as a bad label here) if you demand clarification or discussion rather than swallowing it whole.

Unfortunately the cultish group think demanders are the ones who are destroying any hope of ever being seen as something other than fringies by the wider scientific community.

Honestly speaking. I've been on ATS for some time as well and if anything this forum has made me a sceptic as well. A lot of the so called 'aliens' have not a single valid reference and people just believe it or believe unproven 'evidence'. It made me really sad. It also seems that most are enthousiast that just 'want' to believe rather than actually trying to find evidence that is credible. It is merely that observation that makes me believe that we aren't visited at all and that our race has still a lot to mature before we can even be worthy to be called 'intelligent' as a species.

The entire ATS site boarders on cult like belief. From the 911 topics, to Nibiru, at all the natural health stuff. There is no posting done for debate or truth. It's all for propaganda.

You are not alone here because i am becoming bored and frustrated about the whole situation.
I am recently getting extremely mad at people who say that aliens are coming and believe what ever theory they read because they can get their head around the aspect of it.......evidence.....PLEASE!!!! is my attitude now.

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All I can say is BRAVO!

If there is one thing i have learned here on ATS it is to never stop challenging your beliefs... that's why I love this place... there is always something new to read and learn about.

I have found many surprises here. I have believed many things that i find stupid now.

All I can say is the Universe is so vast. Things (alive or whatever) that we have never dreamed of exist (physically or not) out there.

I agree with you OP. My ex was into new age bollocks, Ley lines, pyramids, all that rubbish. I still believe in the possibility of extraterrestrials, even willing to give the Ancient Astronaut hypothesis consideration, but having David Wilcock on Ancient Aliens was the worst decision Georgee Tsoukalos ever made. Also the fat one, David Childress, pisses me off as well. He's immature.

There need to be a spring clean of the subject area, much how astronomy separated from astrology in the 1900s.

reply to post by TheLogicalist
S&F for an intelligent, well argued thread. There are people on this site, who think Pokemon are real? You can't be serious! That has made my day! lol My apologies to the "Poke-mongers" amongst you!!

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Well I agree and gave you a star. Are you sure the female represented isn't Cate Blanchett? I believe that we will soon realise thereis nothing to disclose>

I was a believer at one time too but just do not believe the ETH. I am happy to believe the entire UFO phenomenon is a mix of hoax, misindentification., a small amount of paranormal activiity and a few unknown or rare atmospheric phenomena

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I hate to rain on the OP's parade, but I think that he is either unaware or unwilling to acknowledge the existence of crop circle phenomena that defy logical explanation (I.E. crop circles with 8 bit binary code messages that appear instantaneously at night).

I'm sure some people might be willingly to rationalize the existence of highly complex crop circles by saying "Oh, it's just the U.S. government using some advanced technology" but they would have no proof of that, it would only be an assumption based on zero evidence.

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