Judge has harsh words for Mom before sentencing her for spanking her kid

reply to post by dr_strangecraft


I am talking about your children being able to spank you, not you and your wife taking advantage of a situation to use fear to manipulate your children

reply to post by dolphinfan
This judge should be removed from the bench and the prosecutor(s) fired.

There is something wrong with America. This is why kids are growing up to be such "whimps". When I was younger I got spanked, It sucked at the time, but it happened. I can't help but feel the connection between this and bullying in schools. Maybe if these "whimpy" kids did get spankings they wouldn't be offing themselves for getting made fun of. Kids these days are much less likely to just fight , apologize, and get over it. I've seen that in many cases one party will just take countless hours of crap from other kids instead of just throwing a punch or two, getting in a little trouble and not having to deal with it anymore.


Courts NEED to stay out of parenting. It is one of the LAST things a parent truly has influence over in their kids life. Plain and simple America has changed for the worse. If you can't spank your child for acting up, they're never going to feel any harsh physical contact, until they get pushed into a locker for wearing girls pants, then it's a way bigger deal and your kid kills him/herself.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
When spanking is the ONLY way:

When a little boy hits his sister.

Put words in your mouth?

I never had to put words in your mouth. Here are your exact words. The ONLY way...when a little boy hits his sister.

I teach all my children that they are equals and that they will all be treated equally by me. They are taught from a very young age what is expected and what the punishments will be if they deviate from expectations. The rewards for exceeding expectations are clearly spelt out aswell.

I have yet to spank my children because I have been exceptionally lucky. They have all been very well tempered since birth. I hold no illusions about that being the norm. And if it is ever required, I will not hesitate to use it.

Edit to add:
There is no 'right' way to raise children. They are too unique to have a standard technique. Some children (my poor cousin) require far more disciplinary measures than others. Others require almost none, and most fall somewhere in between.

I will gladly compare my 4 spanked kids to anyones kids that were not. My kids are great. Non violent, respectfull and everything a child should be. They get good grades, don't do drugs, and don't go around sleeping with other kids. Hell in my state they still paddle kids in school.

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Teach me how to do it right then.

I have two kids ... a toddler and a new born.

When I was talking about logic, I was talking about us being logical, not the toddler.

What is happening physiologically to a human when they are a toddler,boy and girl, is that they are getting their first major amount of testosterone running through their veins ... and it is a lot!

Basically they become like a gym junky on too much steroids.

They are aggressive, they are emotional and they irrational ... so, in many cases, a toddler will just hit when they are upset ... it's not wrong or bad or naughty, it's just the reality of being human.

Hitting a toddler for hitting someone else will just teach them about fear and pain.

The more that they are hit the more they will suppress the anger that they feel about being hit (to us it seems as if they have learnt their lesson and are "behaving properly") and then they will release it later in life in the form of bullying or because they are fearful people they will be the victim of bullying.

Violence has no positives.

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Yup ... all that segregation, racism, warmongering and child abuse was a much better America to live in than it is now ...

Edit - ok the warmongering hasn't really changed much ...

reply to post by aero56


A little person(Children) are too naive to know right or wrong and spanking although inflicts some pain on the child teaches them discipline respect.

The Children don't always understand if they did or are doing something wrong and spanking is often a way of discipling them because they are too naive to know any better.

Example: Child attacks harasses younger child(Baby) Pulling hair and/or possibly causing serious harm to the child unknowingly.

Example: Child constantly tries to escape out the door or leave house un-attended.


I was spanked (With a paddle) As a child; do not participate in Drugs or alcohol use and did great in school.

Am working on my post-secondary education

I'm not saying anyone who hasn't been spanked as a child doesn't turn out to be a courteous human being and respectful to others.

But in my experience the spanking of a child for Discipline is for the better.

Originally posted by Horza

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft

Teach me how to do it right then.

I have two kids ... a toddler and a new born.

When I was talking about logic, I was talking about us being logical, not the toddler.

What is happening physiologically to a human when they are a toddler,boy and girl, is that they are getting their first major amount of testosterone running through their veins ... and it is a lot!

Basically they become like a gym junky on too much steroids.

They are aggressive, they are emotional and they irrational ... so, in many cases, a toddler will just hit when they are upset ... it's not wrong or bad or naughty, it's just the reality of being human.

Hitting a toddler for hitting someone else will just teach them about fear and pain.

The more that they are hit the more they will suppress the anger that they feel about being hit (to us it seems as if they have learnt their lesson and are "behaving properly") and then they will release it later in life in the form of bullying or because they are fearful people they will be the victim of bullying.

Violence has no positives.

I don't think violence has positives; sometimes physical discipline is more effective, though.

Actually, the boys don't get any more testosterone at that age than the girls do, and won't until puberty. How is that different from saying "boys will be boys"? (something I personally don't say, because it is excusing otherwise unacceptable behavior).

Right. So you've talked about how spanking is bad. Congratulations. Now, how do you handle the situation without spanking? If a person gets physical, then your refusal to get physical in response is basically teaching them that they can get by with it.

And again, psycho-social 'punishments' re-enforce to the victim that you are more concerned with the perpetrator's psyche than with the victim's suffering.

That is one of the defining failures of liberalism: always more focused on the perpetrator than on the victim.

More than 200,000 children were spanked or paddled in U.S. schools during the past school year, human rights groups reported Wednesday.
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Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 21 U.S. states and is used frequently in 13: Missouri, Kentucky, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee and Florida, according to data received from the Office for Civil Rights at the U.S. Department of Education and cited in the report.

The highest percentage of students receiving corporal punishment was in Mississippi, with 7.5 percent of students. The highest number was in Texas, with 48,197 students.

CNN: 200k spanked in school

WTF???

Felony charges, 5 years probation, loss of voting rights, loss of firearm rights, loss of right to serve in military... for something the public school system in the same state are setting national records for?


Sri Oracle

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Funniest thing about that: Texas is known for it's politeness and courtesy. It is also known for hardworking members of society. And everyone knows no Texan takes any crap from anyone.

give her the chair

Originally posted by Horza
reply to post by dr_strangecraft

 

I am talking about your children being able to spank you, not you and your wife taking advantage of a situation to use fear to manipulate your children

when i became adolescent i used the violence that my parent used on me on them.
my father fight with me when i had 23 ( i didnt used violence after 15yo on my parent cause i understood it was wrong) he made me bleed and i didnt return the blows , i just smiled at him and i thing he understand the biggest lesson of his life he apologized at me for what he did when i was young until this event .
So you are damn right , what kind of exemple it giving to spank your children , after too much spank your children wont even feel it anyway.
What is the line between giving a lesson or being mad at your child , is this the right pedagogy ?
What do you feel when somebody is beating his dog ?
What do you feel when you check this vid ?
it short clip about corporal punishement , it in french .
www.youtube.com...
the mother is apologizing to her daughter , because this daughter slap her kid

im more for punishement like deprivation the chair thing above is a good thing and the beedroom one.

the judge needs a spanking

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I agree with you on the point that some children require very little discipline, where others require more. As I have posted of the embarrassing escapade my son pulled on me in the grocery store when he was 5. My two daughters were the type that needed very little discipline. While my only son and the youngest needed so much more to keep him under control.
Of course today He is a really good son, a family man and I am very proud of him.

But as I said before his 7 children are quite a bunch to handle. Very perplexing. He has 5 sons and two daughters. The baby is a girl. under two years old. The older girl is 7. She has 3 older brothers. Believe me, she can hold her own when things are in disagreement with them! Her Dad does not take her side just because she is a girl. Her time standing in the corner is just as much as the boys or sitting on top of the bed with no one in the room and no TV.
She is not allowed to hit her brothers and vice versa. But you know how that goes! Brothers and sisters are going to get into disputes.

When I was growing up..it was the standard to (whup) your kids and they also did at school then too. I got my share of them. My Mom worked 3rd shift in a cotton mill and slept during the day. My gramma was the baby sitter for me, my sister, my cousin, and my 2 uncles, and 1 aunt. My Aunt being only 5 years younger than me.
It was chaos for my Gramma..poor thing!! The thing is the 6 of us were always doing something we shouldn't.

There's a difference in mild spankings and beatings, so that is why the courts stepped in to keep people who really did hurt their children severely and damage them physically.. Many kids have died under the abuse of parents. Small children can not defend themselves against a grown adult.

I grew up in the dieing embers of Corporal Punishment within British Society and it is very easy to notice the SWITCH.....yes thats right a switch in the degradation of many communities accross Britain....The beginning of Yob Culture I'd put examples on this post but they disgust me and deserve the fate they are going to recieve.

Spanking a child when they have stepped over the line in the early years of their lives leaves a long lasting mark....
That MARK is called a MORALE COMPASS....Check out Youtube for kids without it, I refuse to look at anymore.

I think parents of this child should dump them on the grandparent in question ...lets see how they handle it. Parenting should be done in person not watching from the sidelines. Time to take them off the Christmas Card List........

p.s edit ...As for the judge , well he was just doing his job...

When I was brought up, if I misbehaved I got beat, and I was lucky that all that happened to me. But you know something, I'm glad that's how I was brought up, because I know how to respect people who are older than me. I'm also very well mannered.

Not trying to bring religion into this, but the Bible says you must discipline your children anytime they disobey you. If a child is keeping God's commandments, by honoring their fathers and mothers, why would they ever get into trouble? I know children don't like being punished, but lessons must be learned in order for them to move on. Let's say a teenager has trouble shoplifting from stores.. so what good is it if he never gets caught? He will never learn from his mistakes. He will continue to shoplift!

Discipline is necessary in most cases, but beating a child severely is uncalled for. For example, beating a child with electrical cords and clothes hangers, now that is not necessary. Beating a child with a belt.. that MAYBE called for in extreme cases of disobedience. Spanking a child with your hand would be most appropriate for most cases of disobedience.

I particularly would ground a child from something they really like doing. Remember, the Bible says as time goes on, each generation is going to become more rebellious.. it's a sign of the end times.

My sister and brother in law dont believe in spanking either. They are an affluent couple, he is an electrical engineer and she is the vice president of an elementary school and holds a PHD in elementary education. Their children were never spanked as children for ANYTHING. When their youngest son was about 8 he broke out all the neighbors basement windows, because he liked the tinkling sound it made when they broke...no spanking, grounded for two weeks. Anyway, their kids have had every opportunity and the best of everything, except discipline. Their oldest is 20 years old now and is a zombie. He attempted suicide with the psych meds they put him on when he was 10. Now all he does is lay on the couch all day and I'm telling you, no one is home in there. His eyes haunt me. Their youngest is 16 and has decided he is a homosexual. Spare me the "It's not a choice" speel. He spends his time drinking and driving, using illicit drugs and having casual sex with other young men. He does not plan to go to college or work as an adult and recently flunked his sophomore year of high school. So, love it or hate it I will spank my kids when they need it. If that means I go to jail, so be it. I love my kids and want them to grow up to be happy, productive adults WITHOUT the use of psych meds. For those who don't spank, check back with me in 10 to 20 and then MAYBE I will admit it worked, for YOUR kids. However, I'm gonna stick with what works, as proven over the history of humanity, not gambling with some limp wristed, liberal theory and hope for the best. My kids deserve better than that.

Haha Society sucks, for u people saying "oh ive never spanked my kids and they are professionals and good people".
Either 2 things:
1) your children or one of them is secretly a maniac that rapes, steals or sells drugs and you think he is goody goody boy/girl not matter what anyone else sais. you wont believe that your son/daughter is a bad person.

2) You are very lucky, Your children are what they call "blessed" they are the lucky Angel kids that you were blessed with and will never have a problem in your life, they were born with goodness and intelligence.

On the other hand if you there are many "Demon" children out there that are very hard to control even if you spank them, some dont care what you say words are nothing to them not even yelling, they are fearless against your words and they please to do what they want. because you will never touch them but they will one day slap you.
They are born like Kings everyone must obey them, evil my friend but that doesnt mean we have to kill evil we can just disapline them show that there strengh can be used for good.

I know you want him to be a doctor or a lawyer whatever, but if this child is a crazy dam little demon, maybe he is bound to be a soldier or a cop, but you must decipline them to do the right thing dont you think.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
When I was brought up, if I misbehaved I got beat, and I was lucky that all that happened to me. But you know something, I'm glad that's how I was brought up, because I know how to respect people who are older than me. I'm also very well mannered.

Not trying to bring religion into this, but the Bible says you must discipline your children anytime they disobey you. If a child is keeping God's commandments, by honoring their fathers and mothers, why would they ever get into trouble? I know children don't like being punished, but lessons must be learned in order for them to move on. Let's say a teenager has trouble shoplifting from stores.. so what good is it if he never gets caught? He will never learn from his mistakes. He will continue to shoplift!

Discipline is necessary in most cases, but beating a child severely is uncalled for. For example, beating a child with electrical cords and clothes hangers, now that is not necessary. Beating a child with a belt.. that MAYBE called for in extreme cases of disobedience. Spanking a child with your hand would be most appropriate for most cases of disobedience.

I particularly would ground a child from something they really like doing. Remember, the Bible says as time goes on, each generation is going to become more rebellious.. it's a sign of the end times.

Guess what? I was not beat and hardly ever spanked, and I respect my elders greatly. There is NOTHING okay about beating your kids. Although there is nothing wrong with spanking as a last resort, beating is WRONG and should be punishable by law, and you should not try to make it seem okay.

And, no offense, but you're not trying to bring religion into this? I'd have to disagree, since most of your posts have something about the Bible or christianity in them.