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Originally posted by e11888
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
I thought we were comparing medical doctors with a roughly decade of education and training, to parents, with no medical training. The medical doctors don't recommend vaccination for everyone. Some children are too sickly to have the strain of vaccination put on their system, and can be exempted by the doctor for that reason.
Originally posted by hadriana
I just think - bottom line - that we must surely hate each other b/c it seems the majority thinks that the govt. can 'call the shots' (pun intended) better than parents.
Meaning, of course, that the govt always knows better and cares more than any particular set of parents.
And I just disagree with that basic premise.
A decade of education means nothing when the education system is owned and influenced by anyone with enough money or power to push an agenda. If I tell you for 10 years that the sky is red and you've never been told otherwise in your entire life you would naturally believe the sky is red even though visually you can see it to be blue. So when you go through 10 years of education telling you to push vaccines and all the wonders and great goods of modern medicine of course you're going to push vaccines. Links to autism, big pharma being above the law, or anything negative about the industry is hardly discussed. This is the very reason dentists today push Fluoride so hard. They truly do not know any better even though many other dentists have come out and spoken against the use of it.
Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by antar
The answers to your questions are in the article; it's quite a long one. Here are some similar statistics regarding Japan and the UK
Japan banned the MMR vaccine for understndable reasons in the 1990's - and has had had 94 child deaths in the last 5 years from Measles
Why Japan banned MMR Vaccine
By way of comparison the UK had 97 deaths from measles over 25 years from 1983-2008; and now gets 1-2 per year. It used to always have 40+/year and regularly over 100 - the last time beign 1965. It has not had over 9 since 1989.
Measles Notifications and deaths in England and Wales
Originally posted by jameshawkings
It was a homeless child who was most likely malnourished, it is only the malnourished who have trouble with measles, but the malnourished also get damaged by vaccines, so it still wouldn't justify their use
Measles makes us stronger, no one wants a couch potato immune system. If you want your kids to be strong don't vaccinate. Measles makes us grow taller and improves our artistic ability. Yes, we've been lied to!
naturalnews.tv...edit on 17-6-2011 by jameshawkings because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by DrChuck
Originally posted by jameshawkings
It was a homeless child who was most likely malnourished, it is only the malnourished who have trouble with measles, but the malnourished also get damaged by vaccines, so it still wouldn't justify their use
Measles makes us stronger, no one wants a couch potato immune system. If you want your kids to be strong don't vaccinate. Measles makes us grow taller and improves our artistic ability. Yes, we've been lied to!
naturalnews.tv...edit on 17-6-2011 by jameshawkings because: (no reason given)
If you want your kids to have a chance of death due to measle encephalitis for which there are no cures, then don't vaccinate. If you want your kids suffocating to death because of whooping cough, then don't vaccinate.
There are reasons why the medical field selected out only a handful of bugs to be vaccinated against - They are F'in dangerous. The complications from these bugs will lead to death. What people don't realize is that the reason why we have these vaccines in the first place is due to the high number of deaths associated with these bugs and viruses.
It's not a contradiction.
Originally posted by jbell1011
After going through this board, I find it funny how many people have said, "I will take the normal vaccines, but not the flu shot." I am dumbfounded by how people can contradict themselves. How can you be pro-vaccine, but refuse to take a vaccine.
Originally posted by antar
I would like to see the stats on these outbreaks, how many of them had been vaccinated? Is this more push for vaccinations or a true sense of what is being reported by the msm?
When the truth came out in Cal regarding the whooping cough outbreak we discovered the majority of cases had had the vaccine.
Also where are the actual stats on measles from year to year? There has been an increase in population so taking that into consideration could affect the outcomes.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
It's not a contradiction.
Originally posted by jbell1011
After going through this board, I find it funny how many people have said, "I will take the normal vaccines, but not the flu shot." I am dumbfounded by how people can contradict themselves. How can you be pro-vaccine, but refuse to take a vaccine.
Some people have raised valid concerns about mercury content. While no correlation has been established that I'm aware of between the small amounts of mercury in vaccines and harmful symptoms (some have claimed this but the facts don't support the claims), it is still known that ingesting Mercury probably isn't good for you.
Now look at this data table showing the Mercury content of the influenza vaccine, see how much mercury it has?
www.fda.gov...
Compare that to the other child vaccines which either don't contain any added mercury at all or less than 1/25 the amount in the flu vaccine. If you're trying to cut back on your Mercury consumption, it's no contradiction at all.
Originally posted by Unity_99
Also, if any diseases returned, THEY WERE CREATED BY THESE NAZI's.
Amongst the many sitings of crafts my family had, the three in winter, were low, several hundred feet, small plane size. I saw it 3 times in just over a week, twice for 10 minutes roughly over the middle school. No chopeers showed up for this soundless nearly hovering or hovering craft. It wasn't Theirs, seemed to be OURs, and what the hell was it doing over the middle school?
Such things are weaponzied virus's, nano dusting and technology, poison, toxinx, disease, something....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!edit on 17-6-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HappyBunny
Originally posted by antar
I would like to see the stats on these outbreaks, how many of them had been vaccinated? Is this more push for vaccinations or a true sense of what is being reported by the msm?
When the truth came out in Cal regarding the whooping cough outbreak we discovered the majority of cases had had the vaccine.
Pertussis is so contagious that if even 6% of the population is unvaccinated, EVERYONE is at risk.
Your statement comes from not knowing just what vaccines are and what they do. No vaccine has ever claimed a 100% immunity rate. Ever. The reason the smallpox vaccine was so effective is because 1) there was a global push to vaccinate everyone they could find; and 2) the only reservoir of smallpox is humans. There is no animal reservoir to re-infect us.
The United States is not the world. If you really want to go back to the pre-vaccine days, by all means go to Africa or Eastern Europe and you can compare for yourself.
Also where are the actual stats on measles from year to year? There has been an increase in population so taking that into consideration could affect the outcomes.
No, what there has been is an increase in unvaccinated children. Even if there is an increase in population, vaccination rates should stay the same.
We were on track to eradicate measles just the way we did smallpox, but that's not going to happen now, thanks to the likes of people who don't know what they're talking about. Measles always was and still is one of the biggest killers of young children. It still kills hundreds of thousands a year. Simple vaccination can prevent that. Same with pertussis, diphtheria, and the other preventable childhood diseases. I've seen an 11 month old child die of a vaccine-preventable ear infection caused by H. influenzae type b. It ate through the mastoid bone into his brain, causing encephalitis. It killed him. Ever heard of epiglottitis? Now there's a horrible way to die, and it used to be very, very common before Hib was invented. Smallpox killed 300 MILLION people in the 20th century alone.
Vaccines save lives. Period.
This is my field, so I think I know what I'm talking about. Those who choose not to vaccinate are putting everyone at risk. Some pediatricians are going so far as to post signs in their offices that if your child isn't vaccinated, well, get out and don't come back.
Measles statistics:
Worldwide, more than 20 million people each year are infected.
It has a 10% fatality rate.
As long as the rest of the world has measles, the US and Canada will, too.
Here's an article from just yesterday:
www.latimes.com...
From CDC:
www.cdc.gov...
Originally posted by Starwise
reply to post by Griffo
I work in a hospital and see patients coming in all the time with the same diseases they have been vaccinated against, and this includes HIB, Pneumonia and Influenza......
When you weigh the benefits outweighing the risks; I am against vaccinations.....