Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines

So why is it that kids die from Measles?
When I was growing up there were no vaccines for such things.
Most of the kids in school got measles....and none of them died.
We lived in a poor neighborhood. Almost no one had money for a healthful diet.
Never heard of anyone dying from Measles.
There even used to be Measles Parties, I think that was in the 60's or even 70's, where everyone was invited to the sick kids house so they would get the Measels. It was considered good to build the immune system.

So why exactly are there so many deaths from this formerly simple childhood disease showing up now?

We were actually glad when Mom said " it looks like measles." That meant No School for at least a week.
Seems we were only sick for a day or so and then got up to play.

Originally posted by OhZone
So why is it that kids die from Measles?
So why exactly are there so many deaths from this formerly simple childhood disease showing up now?

I'm not sure what you mean by "so many"?

en.wikipedia.org...

Between 1987 and 2000, the case fatality rate across the United States was three measles-attributable deaths per 1000 cases, or 0.3% (177 deaths / 67,032 cases)

177 deaths out of 67,000 cases isn't zero, but it isn't a lot. And in poor families without good medical treatment, sometimes they may not have real good information about the cause of death. I doubt the measles itself killed very many people, but it can have complications:

While the vast majority of patients survive measles, complications occur fairly frequently, and may include bronchitis, and panencephalitis which is potentially fatal. Also, even if the patient is not concerned about death or sequela from the measles, the person may spread the disease to an immunocompromised patient, for whom the risk of death is much higher, due to complications such as giant cell pneumonia.

So you're right to an extent, measles probably won't kill most people, but some people still die from complications.

Originally posted by laiguana
I can't even remember the last time I was sick. And I don't remember getting vaccinated as a child. Don't go for the GMO crap though...It isn't good for you. The only true cornflakes is organic cornflakes.

I can't remember the last time I was sick either, and I never buy organic anything, so your anecdotes mean little. I'm highly skeptical of any claims about any one magic food.

Claims that better nutrition in general can result in a healthier body and immune system however, are logical. And giving your child a healthy diet may not reduce their chances of catching a disease, but it should help their chances of surviving it due to a strong and healthy immune system fed by good nutrition.

If the child gets polio, their survival rate on a good diet should be high but I don't think there's any guarantee the child won't be crippled. It's probably safer to have the body's immunity attack the inactivated polio in a vaccine to build up a defense, rather than the real thing.

If you think corn flakes prevents polio and you don't have any proof to back up your claim, then I'd say your claim is baseless.

i would luv to believe in the saftey of vaccines. there are many diseases that are so horrible you would risk a low percentage chance of being harmed or killed by the vaccine. sadly ive lost all faith in the government especially the Food and Drug association. private bussiness so own our government. we are all guinie pigs for profits now. our only defence is who evers left can sue(didnt bush/cheney pass some law limiting law suits?)

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
[If you think corn flakes prevents polio and you don't have any proof to back up your claim, then I'd say your claim is baseless.

edit on 18-6-2011 by Arbitrageur because: clarification

I have my own proof. I've been eating cornflakes now for as long as I can remember...I've never got sick for more than a week....And can't even remember the last time I got sick...must have been over a decade ago.
It's obvious why they don't conduct tests to prove the effectiveness of cornflakes. The vaccine industry doesn't want alternative solutions, they need profits..they need to have a demand for them.

The recent deaths from Measles will mainly be the vaccinated children who now have damaged immune systems, they keep that part of the story quiet in the media. Even if a child dies after a vaccine they will try to claim it was an illness such as measles which killed them. The statistics are lies! It happened with Swine Flu too, when someone died after the receiving the vaccine they would count it as a Swine Flu Death.

It is the vaccinated who are getting sick, don't be fooled. Big Pharma doesn't want to make you healthy, they are after profits!

Originally posted by OhZone
So why is it that kids die from Measles?
When I was growing up there were no vaccines for such things.
Most of the kids in school got measles....and none of them died.
We lived in a poor neighborhood. Almost no one had money for a healthful diet.
Never heard of anyone dying from Measles.
There even used to be Measles Parties, I think that was in the 60's or even 70's, where everyone was invited to the sick kids house so they would get the Measels. It was considered good to build the immune system.

So why exactly are there so many deaths from this formerly simple childhood disease showing up now?

We were actually glad when Mom said " it looks like measles." That meant No School for at least a week.
Seems we were only sick for a day or so and then got up to play.

reply to post by beenupsince2007


The sad thing is, you're deadly serious when you say that.

reply to post by Gorman91


That could be a possible way to do it, yes. I was looking into stuff about a universal flu vaccine after I posted the other day; there are prospects at targeting the stem of the antigen instead of the head, as the stem mutates less often.

reply to post by GhostLancer

It's hard to believe people are actually trying to obfuscate the issue by stating "There is no mercury. There is thimerasol [sic]." And then to try to say that it doesn't accumulate. Wow. WOW. Really?

Just because a molecule contains a certain element does not mean that it itself becomes instantly poisonous. Sodium chloride for example; table salt is safe for us to consume (in small quantities). However it contains two very poisonous chemicals, sodium and chlorine, which are not safe for us to consume. An element will have different chemical properties when it is on it's own, compared to when it is in a molecule.

Ethyl mercury will have different chemical properties to methyl mercury. To give you a quick example of how different an ethyl group can make when it replaces a methyl group, you just have to look at alcohol. Ethanol (CH3CH2OH) when ingested makes you feel intoxicated; only after large doses will you feel ill/vomit/die

Methanol (CH3OH) should never be ingested or inhaled, even small quantities can induce blindness and ~100 mL is fatal

I had Chicken pox,all 3 types of measles,mumps...Im still kicking...now my kid get vaccinated...but not untl they were 5...way past the time that mercury will autism them...no big dea.....

reply to post by jameshawkings


The study that 'proved' the link between vaccines and autism was discredited by every major health organisation in the world and retracted soon after. It was found to be fraudulent, as Andrew Wakefield was receiving payments off other people to skew his results. That combined with the fact that the study was performed on only 12 people, 4 of which had pre existing mental health conditions

reply to post by Griffo


so why do they stil use mercury in several vaccines if it had to be removed in others?

reply to post by 7thcavtrooper


That's got nothing to do with the efficacy of vaccines, that is because you live in country terrified of socialism resulting in a crap healthcare system

reply to post by daddio


This is a response I wrote to another poster regarding colloidal silver:

I've been doing some research on the 'benefits' of colloidal silver. I was already aware that silver was, in the past, used as an antimicrobial agent; it is no miracle cure though. Like any metal, in high quantities it can be toxic and can lead to the condition argyria. Silver is not an essential mineral in humans, we do not need it in our diet.

It has been said to treat conditions such as HIV/AIDS, cancer, diabetes etc. but there is no medical evidence for these claims.

Over-the-counter drug products containing colloidal silver ingredients or silver salts

This is probably because colloidal silver preparations deliver inactive metallic silver, rather than the active microbicidal silver ion. There is no scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of colloidal silver in vivo (in the body); Colloidal Silver. However, some antimicrobial effects have been observed in vitro (in a test tube/petri dish); Colloidal silver fabrication using the spark discharge system and its antimicrobial effect on Staphylococcus aureus.

There have been no clinical studies that have demonstrated its effectiveness, and even reports of its toxicity; Colloidal Silver. Like I said before, if too much silver is ingested by the body, a condition known as argyria is likely to occur. It can also cause problems such as: kidney damage and neurologic problems.

edit: So disease never existed until very recently then? Don't let the door hit you on the way out

reply to post by Griffo


Mercury might be something different but there is still aluminium in it and formaldahyde one causes alziemhers and the other is a known carcinagenic so why would you willing put that in to yourself?

There has also been a study that older people who get flu shots are getting alziemhers earlier as well.

As for your thing about Autism even if they don't want to let the public know about what really happens why is it you have to be under supervision for 5- 10 minutes after being administered these things just in case you have siezures that to me says it's bad. Some people are even allergic to formaldahyde and don't know it untill they get these shots. So when i have kids I'll be going for alternative methods the crackpots who make this crap won't be getting any of my mone that's for sure.

reply to post by awareness10


That's the problem though, doing research on the internet does not make you an expert. In fact it can even make you worse off than someone who knows nothing; websites can purposefully skew facts and bend the truth. It's a sad state of affairs when people would rather listen to actors and playboy models rather than scientists who have spent a lot of time studying and researching to get to the point they are at

Thanks Jenny McCarthy for the measles

Don't listen to Jenny McCarthy (cracked.com)

reply to post by Elliot


But in very rare instances, as the virus passes through unimmunized children, it can mutate into a form that is dangerous enough to spark new outbreaks.

That happened for the first time in 2001, when 22 children were paralyzed in the Dominican Republic and Haiti. Subsequent vaccine-caused polio outbreaks have occurred in the Philippines, Madagascar, China and Indonesia.Experts say these types of outbreaks only happen when not enough children are vaccinated. In northern Nigeria, only about 39 percent of children are fully protected against polio.

In the West, an injectable polio vaccine with inactivated virus is used, to avoid the problems with the oral vaccine. But the oral vaccine used in the developing world is much cheaper than the injectable vaccine, and can be given to children by volunteers with little training.

from your own source so i gues the kids not getting vacinated lets the virus mutate and then infects others.......

heres the source incase anyone missed it www.msnbc.msn.com...

reply to post by vkturbo

Mercury might be something different but there is still aluminium in it and formaldahyde one causes alziemhers and the other is a known carcinagenic so why would you willing put that in to yourself?

Formaldehyde is used to sterilise the vaccine, to kill any unwanted microbes that may be present. Formaldehyde may sound scary because of its use in embalming, but you have to realise that formaldehyde occurs naturally in the body as a by-product of digestion and metabolism. The amount of formaldehyde in a vaccine will be far less than the amount present in your body. Formaldehyde is a simple molecule and is easily broken down and excreted.

Aluminium is used as an adjuvant, it acts as a sort of catalyst to make your immune system react stronger than it normally would. Yes, aluminium is a neurotoxin, but only at levels far greater than those found in vaccines. It's the third most abundant element on earth, the average person consumes ~8mg per day. The amount contained in vaccines is ~0.85mg

There has also been a study that older people who get flu shots are getting alziemhers earlier as well.

Haven't seen that one. Do you have a link handy?

As for your thing about Autism even if they don't want to let the public know about what really happens why is it you have to be under supervision for 5- 10 minutes after being administered these things just in case you have siezures that to me says it's bad. Some people are even allergic to formaldahyde and don't know it untill they get these shots. So when i have kids I'll be going for alternative methods the crackpots who make this crap won't be getting any of my mone that's for sure.

They wait 5 or 10 minutes incase the patient is allergic to something in the vaccine. It's no real hardship, they just inject you with some adrenaline and then your on your way.

reply to post by Elliot


if you read the article you would have knoticed it said alot of the problems were from one specific type of vaccine and the complications of MOST of the population NOT being vaccinated thus letting the disease mutate and turn into a more effective version

reply to post by Elliot

Personally, I believe only the parent should decide and not a doctor with financial interests.

Oh yes, let's give the decision to the parents who more often than not will probably have zero knowledge or experience in the medical industry