You people do know the Bible says we don't go to heaven, or the lake of fire when we die, right?

2 Kings 24:6

King James Version (KJV)

6So Jehoiakim slept with his fathers: and Jehoiachin his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 14:1

King James Version (KJV)

1So Abijah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David: and Asa his son reigned in his stead. In his days the land was quiet ten years.

2 Chronicles 16:13

King James Version (KJV)

13And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

2 Chronicles 21:1

King James Version (KJV)

1Now Jehoshaphat slept with his fathers, and was buried with his fathers in the city of David. And Jehoram his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 26:2

King James Version (KJV)

2He built Eloth, and restored it to Judah, after that the king slept with his fathers.

2 Chronicles 26:23

King James Version (KJV)

23So Uzziah slept with his fathers, and they buried him with his fathers in the field of the burial which belonged to the kings; for they said, He is a leper: and Jotham his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 27:9

King James Version (KJV)

9And Jotham slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city of David: and Ahaz his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 28:27

King James Version (KJV)

27And Ahaz slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the city, even in Jerusalem: but they brought him not into the sepulchres of the kings of Israel: and Hezekiah his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 32:33

King James Version (KJV)

33And Hezekiah slept with his fathers, and they buried him in the chiefest of the sepulchres of the sons of David: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem did him honour at his death. And Manasseh his son reigned in his stead.

2 Chronicles 33:20

King James Version (KJV)

20So Manasseh slept with his fathers, and they buried him in his own house: and Amon his son reigned in his stead.

Do I need to post anymore?

reply to post by jerryznv


Lol, I can keep posting scripture, if your not satisfied?

Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by jerryznv

 

You know to be honest, I've been trying to get a KJV 1611 for sometime now.. I really want to read the books that were removed from the regular KJV.

Well I guess I will break it to you that you are quoting the 1611 version now if you are using a KJV. It has a different copyright date to each publisher, but if you read the acknowledgments and preface to the bible you are using...you will discover it is a 1611 version.

Or do you even own a Bible...not an E-Bible, but an actual book with pages in it and stuff.?

Judges 4:21

King James Version (KJV)

21Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Why do all these different scriptures all say the same thing? You cannot show me one scripture where Jesus said all the righteous people go to heaven. You cannot show me one thing like that. I challenge someone to show me something like that. I know this Bible in and out, like the back of my hand. I've read it twice, from front to back, Genesis to Revelations.

reply to post by jerryznv


I have 5 Bibles actually, 2 NIV's [Which I don't read, cause they are Satanic and stupid], and 3 KJV's, not 1611 though.

Religion is a lot like Amway...

The product is great,

But, the salesman are all screwed up.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by jerryznv

 

Lol, I can keep posting scripture, if your not satisfied?

Why don't you take a break from quoting scripture and check this out:

Link...

Do some research for a minute and clear your head of proving your point. Maybe try and learn about what you are trying to prove.

Thanks

(John 5:24-25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

(Eph 2:1 KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:

(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

(Col 2:13 KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These four verses give us insight as to the nature of the first resurrection which is not a physical one but a spiritual one. The believer was once dead in their sins but because God had quickened (or made alive), the Christian is not subject unto the second death or eternal damnation. So the first resurrection is not physical, it is the moment when we receive our resurrected souls and now we are alive unto God whereas before we were dead to the things of God. When Revelation 20:5-6 is interpreted correctly as a spiritual resurrection, then it harmonizes with the rest of Scripture and we don’t have to twist any Scripture or fabricate a doctrine to make it fit.

Originally posted by MaxNormal
(John 5:24-25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

(Eph 2:1 KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:

(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

(Col 2:13 KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These four verses give us insight as to the nature of the first resurrection which is not a physical one but a spiritual one. The believer was once dead in their sins but because God had quickened (or made alive), the Christian is not subject unto the second death or eternal damnation. So the first resurrection is not physical, it is the moment when we receive our resurrected souls and now we are alive unto God whereas before we were dead to the things of God. When Revelation 20:5-6 is interpreted correctly as a spiritual resurrection, then it harmonizes with the rest of Scripture and we don’t have to twist any Scripture or fabricate a doctrine to make it fit.

Uh, did you read that first scripture? It says all who are dead, or in the grave, shall hear His voice! That means the must be asleep! Like all the other scriptures say.

reply to post by whyamIhere


Religion was created to direct worship away from the one true God. I don't follow any religion. I'm an Israelite, or a real Jew. As I said in my other thread, I'm not a Jew by blood, but spiritually. I'm circumcised in the flesh, and in the heart.

If you really want to serve God, KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. Those commandment keepers are the ones Satan goes after. Those are the ones he wants to mess with. The ones who keep the true sabbath day. The ones who don't kill, or steal, or lie on other people, or say God's name in vain.

Originally posted by HolyandClean
reply to post by jerryznv

 

I have 5 Bibles actually, 2 NIV's [Which I don't read, cause they are Satanic and stupid], and 3 KJV's, not 1611 though.

Please open your KJV and on the page in the beginning...before Genisis....before the contents page and look at the copyright page...you HAVE an exact replica of the 1611 King James Version of the Bible...with some additions of course...maybe a dictionary/concordance...other than that...word for word you have a 1611 KJV of the Bible.

Look for the year 1611 on the copyright page...your sure to find it.

reply to post by jerryznv


I'm not worried about being right, I'm worried about what the Bible says. Whatever it says in the Bible, that is right. Not my beliefs, and not my opinions.

Originally posted by RightInTwo
You're clearly very ignorant on the subject of biblical theology. I suggest you look at all of these verses in their full context and also take into consideration that the bible was originally written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic so English translations often lack the perfect tense.

edit on 15-6-2011 by RightInTwo because: (no reason given)

So provide the information.. please?

If you have a better translation, or can read the above mentioned languages, please, by all means... school me. I found his information to be quite accurate based on what I have read myself. But.. If you do have a better translation, or additional proof, dont just comment the shoot down... offer counter information please.

reply to post by jerryznv


My KJV Bibles do not contain the Apocrypha. They also have the deuter. books in them.

For my anger blazes forth like fire and burns to the depths of the grave. It devours the earth and all its crops and ignites the foundations of the mountains.

Fire so bad on the earth that it fries the buried bodies. Makes sense as a metaphor. Talking about a burning underworld that talking about a fire originating otherwhere and burning down to it makes no sense.

Job 14:13 - Oh that you would hide me in Sheol, that you would conceal me until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember me!

Sheol is a safe place? Isn't Sheol usually thought of as a synonym for Hell? Hide me in your place of eternal wrath to protect me from your wrath.

I already saw Ecclesiastes 9:5 brought up. "The dead are conscious of nothing.

I'm sure there's a lot more of these I'm not remembering.

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Admittedly though, I was always taught that Hell was just a translated word for the Hebrew Sheol, and Sheol was the Hebrew word for the grave.

Of course, the Jehovas Witness Watchtower Corporation's claims on other things have not lived up to fruition as I've researched them on a personal level. Meaning that, if someone can provide evidence that their are differentiations between these things in the bible(besides translation error), I won't really believe their claims are more factual, consider how I've uncovered other falsehoods from that source before.

Originally posted by HolyandClean

Originally posted by MaxNormal
(John 5:24-25 KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

(Eph 2:1 KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:

(Eph 2:5 KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

(Col 2:13 KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

These four verses give us insight as to the nature of the first resurrection which is not a physical one but a spiritual one. The believer was once dead in their sins but because God had quickened (or made alive), the Christian is not subject unto the second death or eternal damnation. So the first resurrection is not physical, it is the moment when we receive our resurrected souls and now we are alive unto God whereas before we were dead to the things of God. When Revelation 20:5-6 is interpreted correctly as a spiritual resurrection, then it harmonizes with the rest of Scripture and we don’t have to twist any Scripture or fabricate a doctrine to make it fit.

Uh, did you read that first scripture? It says all who are dead, or in the grave, shall hear His voice! That means the must be asleep! Like all the other scriptures say.

Never once does it say GRAVE your argument is lacking and your interpretation of the bible is faulty.

You cannot just make these nonsenseicle arguments with no evidencse saying something says one thing when it is in black and white letters for all of us to read.


Again it never says grave, who are you rewrite the bible in your opinion.

When Revelation 20:5-6 is interpreted correctly as a spiritual resurrection, then it harmonizes with the rest of Scripture and we don’t have to twist any Scripture or fabricate a doctrine to make it fit

Or do you think god messed up on the bible and we have to twist and fabricate things to fix gods mistake?

reply to post by xxsomexpersonxx


You are exactly right! that's why I said lake of fire instead of hell, because hell means grave! Job understood what happens when you die. God's wraith he is referring to is God's wraith during the great tribulations.