You Might Be Christian If.....

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Um...the demonization of the outside world...because it doesn't exist. You are a part of the world, deal with it.

reply to post by Rustami


All of this has been debunked before and will be debunked repeatedly in the future again. Please, look into responses to these claims before actually posting them.

Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
.and yet somehow I know more about it now than I did back then.

Or, you think you do, which I suppose to you comes to the same thing...

My idea is simply that you have believed what you've been told by your new friends, and you cling to the herd mentality.

...I only knew a couple of other atheists, and I didn't even know they were atheists until I came out. And I hardly knew them. Hell, the majority of my friends were religious most of my life. In high school, my two closest friends (still among my closest but distance has made that a bit harder) were...a very devout Catholic and a very devout Presbyterian. The Presbyterian was a creationist until my senior year.

I didn't get 'new friends' who happened to be atheists, I merely decided to personally get to know my religion better. I read the Bible, it was my first step and it shook me to my core because of how incredible I had been told it was and how lacking I found it. I read apologetics to try to resolve my problems, didn't work. I read theology, going deeper and deeper the rabbit hole. I spoke to priests and ministers, rabbis, an imam (I could only find one within a convenient distance), monks, and more...
And I did it all alone. In fact, I spent a lot of my time as an atheist with my Catholic friend's youth group because I found it nice to spend a bit of extra time with him and try to get a bit more of an understanding for why they believed and I don't.

Was it you who posted a news article about a debate proving that Catholics are evil, from the Independent, an article 2 and a half years old - as it was current? Shame...

...no...? I don't even know about that thread.

I don't view most Catholics as evil...hell, most of the people I know in Malta are Catholics (to some degree). Most of my family? Pretty devout Catholics. In fact, out of my whole relatively close extended family (people I see more than once a year), there are...3 atheists and a doubting child and my mother who has her own peculiar religious beliefs but is not a Catholic. The rest are Catholics, very devout ones. Two of them are priests. One of those priests is one of my favorite family members, as he's just a really cool guy.

Now, the Catholic church itself...I view it as having committed some incredibly horrific crimes of either incompetence or conspiracy. I tend to have a greater problem with the institution itself than the Catholics. I also think the current Pope is a bit...well...he's wrong a lot about a lot of things that the last one wasn't as wrong about.

I believe that posts such as this will provoke a randy discourse of epic proportions every single time it happens. If we can't just admit that all of the heavenly and holy books are written by men, then I guess we will never agree on anything. This post was funny and discordant and if you took offense to it you need to log off and take a long hike in the beautiful world we live in. If you want to worry about something, worry about what TPTB are doing to our living space and decide if b#$-*ing about something that wasn't harming anyone is a just cause. Private message me and I will help you find a lovely hiking grounds wherever you live.
Thank You again OP for a very interesting post.

Bolomk22

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

This argument that religions are the biggest cause of suffering in the world is complete bunk.

Yeah this argument that I never stated in my post.

So because people have died in wars not related to religion, that justifies the millions of people who were killed because of some stupid religious conflict?

Plus a pretty big blow to mankind was science and anything that went against the church being suppressed for hundreds of years. Just think where society would be right now if we never had religious fanatics standing in the way of science.

You ddin't read my post... I said the wars that had to do with religion had nothing really to do with religion... it was like saying someone was killed when someone was wearing a blue shirt and that blue shirts were bad...

The crusades were not about religion any more than IRAQ was about WMD's... it was simply the context....

My point is that all of the atrocities caused in this world would have occurred with or without religion...

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Um...the demonization of the outside world...because it doesn't exist. You are a part of the world, deal with it.

Actually no I'm not... and I never demonized it...

You don't seem to understand the concept of the Axis Mundi and how that relates to each individual...

The general pragmatic philosophy of Jesus was that the ways, values, and beliefs of the world don't have to super cede those of the individual. I don't have to hate my greek neighbor because I am exhorted to by my fellow man... I don't have to strike out at someone in a reflexive way who has just slapped me... I don't have to chastise others because its "the thing to do"... and it starts by removing all concept of wrong doing in the mind or other psychological stigmas which lead to neurosis through "forgiveness"...

I don't have to seek worldly power when the power of changing my reality lies within myself...

Honestly, to an existentialist like myself, this is an amazing way of changing one's inner state of subjective reality.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by Rustami

 

I don't understand your logic

no kidding, remember your admittance in desiring or being "anti-Christ"?

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.-1Corinthians2

It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, AND they are life. -John6

Who is a LIAR but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. -1John2

people have died in other wars so that justifies religious wars? And what does abortion have to do with the issue at hand?

everything! does your entire carrying on with the propaganda or "argument" have to do with life? very clearly all life has been murdered by the "natural man" not the spiritual PERIOD! whether cut short through aborting offspring (root meaning of fetus -you know where we all come from?) or the lesser amount due to traditionally known war, again a house divided cannot stand-

"The Father of Modern Genetics" Testifies

Dr. Lejeune explained that within three to seven days after fertilization we can determine if the new human being is a boy or a girl. "At no time," Dr. Lejeune said, "is the human being a blob of protoplasm. As far as your nature is concerned, I see no difference between the early person that you were at conception and the late person which you are now.

It is also worth noting the suicide rate among women in China is the highest in the world. Indeed, 56 percent of all female suicides occur in China..Given the known link between abortion and suicide, can there be any doubt that maternally-oriented Chinese women who are coerced by their families and communities to participate in these atrocities are more likely to commit suicide? www.abortiontv.com...

For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.
-1Corinthians11

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. -1John3

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me [Jesus] before it hated you. -John15

Why don't you put up some obesity, cardiac arrest, and cancer stats while you're at it.

my mistake for assuming the possibilty you were interested in "denying ignorance" or could at least understand the difference between natural causes and bloodshed by "mens" hands much less responsibility

And religion was without a doubt the most detrimental thing to science, they suppressed anything that went against their teachings for HUNDREDS of years. Do you know how much we could have learned and grown in that time? A few measly inventions and bible quotes don't even come close to making up for that.

keep dreaming

Originally posted by Bolomk22
If we can't just admit that all of the heavenly and holy books are written by men

another "wise guy" I see, surely they should entrust their eternity to your writings, right man?

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. -John17

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment -Hebrews9

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy MEN of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. -2Peter1

For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. -Revelation19

reply to post by Rustami


Did you actually have something to say? Or was it just that you felt like typing out bible verses? Just because you live by them doesn't make them true to everyone, so using them to prove a point, doesn't make it your point. You just regurgitated what you read and/or were taught.

Also, that poster never said that people should read his/her books. They just stated the truth, the books were written by men.

reply to post by Ellie Sagan


appears you missed connecting some dots with the script above showing "prophecy, scripture and MEN" and all the difference in the world it makes but for the record I used to scoff at anything God/Jesus Christ/ian also -until the night after an abortion had taken place when I had just begun to open the cover of a green Gideon New Testament and suddenly an invisible audible voice as if sitting on my left (like a friend would) said my name then "I am Jesus, I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish" then came across these years later-

Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus -Acts9

suddenly a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!” -Matthew17

Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live..Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice -John5

the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who ALONE is wise, be honor and glory forever -1Timothy1

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation -Colossians1
www.biblegateway.com

should hear about the Angel I've seen and the exact same description given by Mary and Mary in the gospel of Matthew

reply to post by Rustami


Religious wars/atrocities

Here's a little bedtime reading for you to think about before you pray tonight. Be sure to thank the all-powerful God for for allowing many of these things to happen in his name and not stepping in, because correct me if I'm wrong things that happen here on Earth are in his domain.

- In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered -- many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.

"Pope Innocent" killing the innocent, who would have thought?

-- The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods -- especially the sun god, who needed daily "nourishment" of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl's coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.

It's a shame that we don't perform those rituals nowadays, we really need some rain arond here.

-- In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned. Executions in other countries included the burning of scientists such as mathematician-philosopher Giordano Bruno, who espoused Copernicus's theory that the planets orbit the sun.

"Keep dreaming" --. Believe in what we say or burn, that's not a nightmare that was reality.

-- In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil -- then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 "witches" were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.

I'll admit priests have changed and grown a lot since then, they obviously don't torture people and burn them at the stake anymore, they just molest children and traumatize them for life.

-- The Anabaptists, communal "rebaptizers," were slaughtered by both Catholic and Protestant authorities. In Munster, Germany, Anabaptists took control of the city, drove out the clergymen, and proclaimed a New Zion. The bishop of Munster began an armed siege. While the townspeople starved, the Anabaptist leader proclaimed himself king and executed dissenters. When Munster finally fell, the chief Anabaptists were tortured to death with red-hot pincers and their bodies hung in iron cages from a church steeple.

The bodies in iron cages were a nice touch, I'm sure that attracted many people to spiritually enlighten themselves. I can think of no other way to better yourself as a person than to hop on the bandwagon of psychopathic, delusional murders. Read a book, preach it's morals, then murder and torture thousands in it's name, I find that pretty contradictory.

-- The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein 'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.

Sure, there are just as many if not more wars fought without any religious motivation, but I just find it insane that millions of people die over something as stupid as whose imaginary friend is the right one. There have been hundreds if not thousands of religions over time, and the idea that theirs is the right religion and they should kill for it is completely delusional. And a good portion of those aren't even wars, they are just random massacres of thousands of people in the name of God. Of course there have been massacres of people not in the name of God, but if everybody was an athiest to begin with millions of deaths could have been avoided. There would still be wars, but instead of killing millions over whose magical all powerful deity is the right one, we would be killing over resources, territory, etc., which is at least somewhat understandable because competition between other nations is practically inevitable. Killing over deities is insanity x100 IMO, as if blindly believing in them isn't crazy enough.

"I am Jesus, I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish"

Yeah I'm sure thousands of people have also heard Allah, Muhammed, Vishnu, Moses, and Waheguru tell them something along the same lines.

Also I don't care about those bible verses, you are wasting your time pasting them in your posts. You may see some vague connection between your argument and some bible verse, but to me it's just a waste of time to read.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Absolutely not, you are wrong. Those wars/massacres were deliberately committed in the name of God, if every single person was an athiest and no religions existed from the start, they would have been completely avoided.

Originally posted by Trueman

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Trueman

 

You wrote:

["I do not tolerate the bashing against any religion, not only christianism."]

Afraid you'll have to get used to criticism, and learn from example how useless it is to start on the 'christian-persecution' direction.


Quote: ["The search of God deserves all the respect we can give."]

Why? Respect is something you earn.

Quote: ["It doesn't matter what you think right?"]

Is this your way of earning respect?

No, you are wrong in everything. I have to thank you for that post, now I realize it will be impossible for you to see the truth and accepted, I am christian, but only Jesus can make that miracle so lets pray for you.

I'll make an example : You have to respect Mother Earth right ? or she has to earn that from you ?

Another : Did you ever tell your parents that they have to earn your respect?

Your hate makes you blind. Get help.

What has mother earth to do with a religion? The theist love for weird and irrelevant allegories have no end.

And had my parents behaved in such a way, that they didn't deserve respect, I would ofcourse have given them none.

Quote: ["Get help"]

For what? It's not me believing in farietales.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Absolutely not, you are wrong. Those wars/massacres were deliberately committed in the name of God, if every single person was an athiest and no religions existed from the start, they would have been completely avoided.

Heh... you have a very naive view of humanity.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


So believing that wars and massacres that took place directly because of people's religious beliefs would be avoided if those religious beliefs never existed is naive?

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Trueman

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Trueman

 

You wrote:

["I do not tolerate the bashing against any religion, not only christianism."]

Afraid you'll have to get used to criticism, and learn from example how useless it is to start on the 'christian-persecution' direction.


Quote: ["The search of God deserves all the respect we can give."]

Why? Respect is something you earn.

Quote: ["It doesn't matter what you think right?"]

Is this your way of earning respect?

No, you are wrong in everything. I have to thank you for that post, now I realize it will be impossible for you to see the truth and accepted, I am christian, but only Jesus can make that miracle so lets pray for you.

I'll make an example : You have to respect Mother Earth right ? or she has to earn that from you ?

Another : Did you ever tell your parents that they have to earn your respect?

Your hate makes you blind. Get help.

What has mother earth to do with a religion? The theist love for weird and irrelevant allegories have no end.

And had my parents behaved in such a way, that they didn't deserve respect, I would ofcourse have given them none.

Quote: ["Get help"]

For what? It's not me believing in farietales.

Mother Earth is part of the Creation, that's why you have to respect Mother Earth, you must respect you home. Why is so hard for you to understand. I should charge you for lessons.



The way you talk about your parents reflects a social behavior disorder.

Originally posted by Ellie Sagan
Also, don't assume just because someone is arguing against Christianity, or “christianism” as one poster labels it,

I didn't label it, as you can read :

Christianism had various definitions over the years. It was originally defined as "the Christian religion" or "the Christian world".

en.wikipedia.org...

Don't be offended at others' jokes and humor at your expense. You really should be happy, because as Jesus said in Matthew 5: 11-12

Matthew 5:11-12
New International Version (NIV)

11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Regarding this part of the Bible you mentioned, yes I am happy and enjoying so much this thread, I am blessed with this opportunity. Thank you, you are right.

reply to post by Bolomk22

This post was funny

There is a forum for that : "Jokes, Puns & Pranks". Contact the mods and ask them to move the thread.

Originally posted by TupacShakur
Here's a little bedtime reading for you to think about before you pray tonight. Be sure to thank the all-powerful God for for allowing many of these things to happen in his name and not stepping in, because correct me if I'm wrong things that happen here on Earth are in his domain.

you want me to reach through the screen and grab you by the neck to make sure you do'nt choose eternal condemnation? how about God? hopefully you get the picture contradicting "tuff guy"

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high -Hebrews1

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -John3

CHRISTIANS – THE MOST PERSECUTED PEOPLE GROUP ON EARTH
By Anthony Browne, Europe correspondent of the Times.

Rising nationalism and fundamentalism around the world have meant that Christianity is going back to its roots as the religion of the persecuted. There are now more than 300 million Christians who are either threatened with violence or legally discriminated against simply because of their faith — more than any other religion. Christians are no longer, as far as I am aware, thrown to the lions. But from China, North Korea and Malaysia, through India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, they are subjected to legalised discrimination, violence, imprisonment, relocation and forced conversion. Even in supposedly Christian Europe, Christianity has become the most mocked religion, its followers treated with public suspicion and derision.
scottthong.wordpress.com...

In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth.” -
Revelation 18

- In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered .."Pope Innocent" killing the innocent, who would have thought?

"against Christians" in 1209?? who would have thought? 20,000

in the year 0002 (approximately) A.D.

Herod put out the order to kill all males 2 years and younger in an attempt to murder Jesus..wife beheaded John etc.

Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under -Matthew2

And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison. -John14

whoa Nelly! certainly makes 1973 an interesting year for "legal abortions" decided on in Texas (where I heard the voice, specifically Arlington)

In 1971, the editors of California Medicine wrote in support of legalized abortion, but noted that the moral view underlying this change would only slowly be adopted.

Since the old [Judeo-Christian] ethic [of the sanctity of life] has not yet been fully displaced [by the new ethic which places relative rather than absolute value on human lives] it has been necessary to separate the idea of abortion from the idea of killing, which continues to be socially abhorrent. The result has been a curious avoidance of the scientific fact, which everyone really knows, that human life begins at conception and is continuous whether intra- or extra-uterine until death. The very considerable semantic gymnastics which are required to rationalize abortion as anything but taking a human life would be ludicrous if they were not often put forth under socially impeccable auspices. It is suggested that this schizophrenic sort of subterfuge is necessary because while a new ethic is being accepted the old one has not yet been rejected. (2) [Italics added]

With an honesty often missing from the current abortion debate, the pro-choice editors of California Medicine affirm that "everyone really knows" that human life begins at conception. Everyone knows it. Every denial is simply "semantic gymnastics" offered by "socially impeccable auspices" to ease our way.

Sitting in the abortion clinic waiting room, this truth rides uneasily beneath the surface of silent submission. No one dares to speak it, but all know it. Even young children can understand this simple truth.
afterabortion.org...

Argued December 25, 1971
Reargued October 11, 1972
Decided January 22, 1973
Full case name Jane Roe, et al. v. Henry Wade, District Attorney of Dallas County

Bolshevik Russia first nation to "legalize" in 1920

Bolsheviks at the low-

The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. It is estimated that 21 million Russian Orthodox Christians were martyred in the gulags by the Soviet government, not including torture or other Christian denominations killed.

It's a shame that we don't perform those rituals nowadays, we really need some rain arond here.

well you are on to something in regards to rain, but you certainly would'nt understand

80,000

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. -Revelation20

The Chinese cultural revolution caused the death of 30 million people (source: the current Chinese government), but many died of hunger.

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) killed 49-78,000,000
www.scaruffi.com...

Believe in what we say or burn, that's not a nightmare that was reality.

just like the word religion you don't understand fire, not yet anyways

I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held -Revelation6

some of the worst genocides of the 20th Century

Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908) 8,000,000
Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII)
Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
www.scaruffi.com...

I'll admit priests have changed and grown a lot since then, they obviously don't torture people and burn them at the stake anymore, they just molest children and traumatize them for life.

I'll admit talking to you is more than likely a waste of time after all,.. hey did you happen to notice the voice did'nt say "I'm Pope"?

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. -Hebrews12

I find that pretty contradictory.

wow really?

declared himself king

the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise -1Timothy1

the Kings word is supreme-

Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. -Matthew24

thousands

And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. -Genesis4

Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
www.scaruffi.com...

Yeah I'm sure thousands of people have also heard Allah, Muhammed, Vishnu, Moses, and Waheguru tell them something along the same lines.

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
-Mark3

Verbatim Latin - the term "Verbatim" means, in a UK legal context: "word by word, exactly"

The odds in favor of an event or a proposition are expressed as the ratio of a pair of integers, which is the ratio of the probability that an event will happen to the probability that it will not happen.

Fact is used synonymously with truth or reality, as distinguishable from conclusions or opinions.

Fact may also indicate findings derived through a process of evaluation, including review of testimony, direct observation, or otherwise; as distinguishable from matters of speculation.

But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law -Galatian4

What is man that You are mindful of him, And the son of man that You visit him? -Psalm8

The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.” “Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” -Matthew26

He testifies about what he has seen and heard, but how few believe what he tells them! Anyone who accepts his testimony can affirm that God is true. -John3

Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. -John20

For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. -Luke9

Then Jesus said to them, “How is it that they say the Christ is the Son of David? David himself declares in the Book of Psalms:
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’ -Luke20

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. -John5
www.biblegateway.com...

if everybody was athiest

athiest Bolsheviks @1917+ at the highest number I've read, as if all the rest is'nt obvious enough-

These Christians are but a few of the 100,000,000 Christian innocents who were exterminated by All Anti-Christian Jewish Red Commissars in Russia under the orders of Trotsky, the Jewish Commissar of Commissars. Yet Spielberg will never Direct a "Schindler's List" Movie for them or their genocide. Why is that? Because Jews did it.

My relatives and my fellow Christians were murdered in the USSR under Jewish Marxism between 1917-1945, and many of the Marxists came to Russia from New York to do this to Christians in 1917 after Jacob Schiff, the Jewish anti-Christian maniac banker who owned The Guaranty National Trust, the largest bank in the United States, financed Lenin and Trotsky $35 million for the Red Revolution and the mass killing of these Christian souls. We must never forget this.www.jewwatch.com...

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. -John18

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. -Matthew21

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female -Galatians3

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter [of the law]; whose praise is not of men, but of God. -Romans2

reply to post by Rustami


You wrote:

["appears you missed connecting some dots with the script above showing "prophecy, scripture and MEN" and all the difference in the world it makes but for the record I used to scoff at anything God/Jesus Christ/ian also -until the night after an abortion had taken place when I had just begun to open the cover of a green Gideon New Testament and suddenly an invisible audible voice as if sitting on my left (like a friend would) said my name then "I am Jesus, I died for your sins believe in Me and you will never perish" then came across these years later-"]

Quite a few people have voices in their heads, and as the voices (and similar phenomena) differ considerably concerning the messages they come with, they have no value for validating anything.

Considering that you now are part of a cult worshipping the demon-lord Jahveh, your experience would most likely (if it's not mental illeness or brain-malfucntion) have come from a 'demon'.