The Destruction of Human History....

reply to post by SLAYER69


Nice thread , when I read the Popul Vuh the mayan book of creation , It mentioned the complete destruction of
the codices I think there were 12 originally ,I know the dresden codex remains, which is where we gather most of our knowledge of ancient mayans.

I was totally disgusted with the spaniards and the catholic religion for doing this during the conquest.

ahh well just another book on the bonfire !

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by neo96
maybe they were great and maybe they werent fact remains we will never know.

I want to know all of it.

The Good, The Bad and yes The Ugly.

That's who we are. This is how we learn. We have been robbed of some of that past.

Go through some old books by earlier archeologist, I find we have lost much knowledge just recently, the older books have more information.

Originally posted by Sinter Klaas
I think modern man isn't that modern at all...

disturbing actually...

I always believed we are not anymore "enlightened" than those people thousands of years ago, we just like to use stuff that smart people have figured out. but in the event that all the "smart" people died and left the rest of the world to run it, we would go back thousands of years into the dark ages again. I always use the saying "if I gave you a hatchet on an island, how long will it take for you to send me an email?"

Now the common man can travel easier, have more powerful weapons that we should never have made, and mass communication. But does anybody know how ANY OF THAT WORKS???

Not to mention there are more african americans in jail now, then there were slaves, and that the prisons are privately owned and make money off of the inmates.

reply to post by pajoly

It irks me when history shows speak in definitive terms.

Many of those history shows, are pure hogwash, now days,

reply to post by Jrocbaby


I believe knowledge has been lost and regained and lost and reigned, we go through cycles, when I read an old text book compared to one printed today or even poetry,

I feel pretty stupid,

reply to post by SLAYER69


www.vatican.va...

You can gain access to the Vatican Library, but the average person would not even be able to read or decipher,

Excellent topic! Kudos to you Slayer69!
I would only add in some intuitive speculation on my part...

"Albeit lost to current times, no knowledge is every truely lost...
It is merely kept more secure behind the locked gates of future zero point technologies...

All knowledge and persons are eventually revisited...

The universe itself is a book of knowledge; we just do not currently, (publicly anyway), know how to turn back the pages...

We will eventually know all of what was...
Once upon a time..."

How can you expect to learn about history from thousands of years ago when we don't even know the truth about 9/11, which is less than 10 years ago?

reply to post by SLAYER69


The secrets of Rome may hold many truths.

I'd love to see what they have.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Locked away from interpretation because the cartel controlled world security government of the
USA wants to promote aliens as the source of Tesla technology.
The cartels tarnish the work of great researchers like Dr. Fell who verified as fact that pre
Colombian inhabitants came from expeditions from ancient times terminated at the fall of Rome.
Bill Lyne followed up on Western petroglyph interpretations and artifacts only to be out published
by CIA alien interpretations as he might tell you himself in a yet unpublished work.
Thus Lyne's continued work at the heart of the cartel conspiracy in his own Tesla research the
cartels continue hide in dark corners of Los Alamos vaults as elsewhere.

Of course we know about Velikovsky and his use of actual events recorded for us by earthlings
that are twisted by cartel and government offices of science information releases to news
agencies and the net.

You can't release important work contrary to the cartel agenda.
They feed you.

The biggest hoax of all born from English theater and agents like Bacon and de Vere was
another front agent Shakespeare setup as source of Marlowe's work.
In the first two lines of the plays Marlow states he wrote this play.
How many fronts are put up with the blessings of the state or authorities.

The ancient alien front, the normal alien front just dispels pursuit of good honest
knowledge by honest people going against the authorities of science.

Sure the knowledge is locked or we would see the Earth sky flipped at the Exodus
as Velikovsky says among innumerable other findings of Star maps that can't
be interpreted if you need blessings from the cartels.

It was all a big mistake the ancients were so dumb to get the sky wrong.

reply to post by SLAYER69

Haven't run through the whole thread yet Slayer, but you've hit upon one of my favorites to lament about. The library of Alexandria.

As meticulous as Rome was about keeping records, and as thirsty for knowledge as they were, I find it very hard to believe that a man as intelligent as General Caesar, wouldn't have secreted away as much as possible from that library before burning it.

And I've often wondered if many of those original records are sitting in Vatican vaults and private collections somewhere. And who knows, maybe some of them have been digitized, and sold to certain people in the world.

Fanciful? Speculative? Absolutely! But it's a hard pill to swallow that all those millenia of knowledge are gone forever.

Akashic records keep everything

I know the Vatican has a treasure trove of documents/literature that they keep away from the puplic knowledge. Imagine what you could find out if it weren't under wraps.

There must have been a catastrophy about ten or fiftienthousand years ago, through which great knowledge was lost. Since then, the clowns took over that still run the show with their lies today. They have given the knowledge they did rescue to generation of generation of their spouses. And now we got to see, how to get rid of them. If we wont, the next catastrophy will, but it will take us down too, so....-

Great post! The loss of the Library of Alexandria was a great blow to human history, especially to Western Europe. It probably delayed the Renaissance by hundreds of years. Still some monks managed to copy ancient writings into their illuminated manuscripts, saving some of the works of Aristotle and others. They may not even have understood what they were copying.

Someone showed a picture of book burnings in Nazi Germany, which anyone can see was idiotic in the extreme.

But the suppression of knowledge continues. Many books are banned in some parts of the US for example:

Both the Merriam Webster and the American Heritage Dictionaries have been banned in various schools. The Merriam Webster was banned in a California elementary school in January 2010 for its definition of oral sex. "It's just not age appropriate," a district representative said.

Yes the Dictionary is banned!

"Grapes of Wrath," John Steinbeck

banned for obscenity and for the negative light in which the country was painted.

"Sylvester and the Magic Pebble," William Steig

because it portrays policemen as pigs.

"Beloved," "The Bluest Eye," Toni Morrison

banned for obscene language and gratuitous violence

"Brown Bear, Brown Bear, What Do You See?" Bill Martin Jr.

was banned in January 2010 by the Texas Board of Education because the author has the same name as an obscure Marxist theorist, and no one bothered to check if they were actually the same person.

"James and the Giant Peach," "The Witches," Roald Dahl

banned for sexism and devaluing the life of a child.

"The Diary of a Young Girl," Anne Frank

banned on multiple occasions. The most recent was in January 2010 when the book was pulled from a Virginia school for "sexually explicit" and "homosexual" themes.

Comment: think they missed the point completely?

"Little Women," Louisa May Alcott

may have been that the strongest woman character marries a boring and much older man--counter to feminism.

"A Farewell to Arms," "For Whom the Bell Tolls," Ernest Hemingway

"A Farewell to Arms" was banned for sexual content and "For Whom the Bell Tolls" because it was seen as pro-communist

"A Light in the Attic," Shel Silverstein

promotes disrespect, horror, and violence

"A Wrinkle in Time," Madeleine L'Engle

making a religious argument they didn't want their children exposed to.

Source: www.huffingtonpost.com...&title=The_Dictionary

Here's a link that shows books banned throughout the world at one time or another:
en.wikipedia.org...

I guess my point is that even IF the library of Alexandria had survived, how many scrolls and documents would have been politically suppressed?

reply to post by SLAYER69


The sacking and destruction of the Library of Alexandria was destroyed by Christians in AD 391 after the Nicaea Council.

Maybe, the Vatican hide something in its secret chambers inside of the Secrets Archives...

Originally posted by StealthyKat
Just like when the Iraq war started and they looted and destroyed so many ancient artifacts and works of art that can never be replaced. It just made me sick. They call it the "cradle of civilization" for a reason.....and some of that stuff is gone for good.

I think this was one of the main reasons for the Iraq invasion. The powers that be want that ancient technology because they know we are heading towards WWIII and they want those mystical weapons of old.

Who controls the past controls the future Who controls the present, controls the past

-George Orwell, 1984


If George Orwell were alive today, he would be astounded, but not by the fact that so many of his predictions came true. The fact that there is at least one television for every person in the United States would not surprise him, of course. The presence of televisions in airports, rail and bus terminals, and even subway stations would also be expected. The lack of two-way interactive television would puzzle him, though he might correctly assume that the technology was being developed. What would really stump him is the total absence of coercion. "Where are the thought police?" he would ask, confused. Nothing could possibly prepare Orwell for the enthusiasm with which Americans embrace Big Brother. Truncheons are rarely required, and sudden disappearances are almost unheard of. Complete, voluntary conformity to the ideals displayed on television is observed. Instead of Double-Think, No-Think. Instead of the Ministry of Truth, a corporate media system. Instead of the Party, a liberal elite who actually believe that they are free. Freedom is American, and Americans are truly free, in a limited sense, free to consume. Human rights are reduced to freedom of choice. McDonald's and Burger King, Nirvana and Pearl Jam, Democrats and Republicans, the choices are all without meaning.

Why did the Soviet empire fail, while the American empire survives? Because mind control under freedom is more efficient! There's no need to waste money torturing dissidents. Fears of nakedness and excrement are instilled during infancy, and are soon followed by strict gender roles. The boys practice competition, aggression, and conquest, while the girls wear dresses and learn to play house with dolls. The schools teach that what is unmeasurable does not exist. Fear of the unknown becomes fear of life, and death. The student is encouraged to regard those beneath him with contempt, and those above him with envy; success is measured in terms of winners and losers. Sophisticated advertising carefully reinforces the desired belief system. "The one who dies with the most toys wins," reads a popular bumper sticker. So long as the flow of merchandise is uninterrupted, law and order prevail. In Orwell's world, dissent led to Room 101. In America, dissent is merely ignored, or sold, if it's popular.

One of Orwell's great maxims was that control of the present enables control of the past, which in turn controls the future. But here there is no need for armies of bureaucrats revising old newspapers, adapting history to the changing party line. In America, the present is controlled by reducing the attention span. The invention of television wasn't enough by itself. It was the introduction of the hand-held remote that finished the job. Before the seventies, people had to get up from their chairs to change the channel. Laziness was an extremely powerful deterrent. People might watch the same channel for an hour, or more! In the age of remote control, concentration drops steadily. The attention span of the average adult now approaches thirty seconds, by coincidence the duration of a typical advertisement. Among teenagers and children, attention spans reach single digits, as they become synchronized to the pulsating hypnosis of MTV. When the attention span finally reaches zero, there is no past, and no future, only the endless, instantaneous gratification of the present.

Ancient military strategy says "divide and conquer." Where have humans been more completely divided than in America? Land once occupied by the same tribes for thousands of years is paved over, to become cities and sprawling suburbs. How many of the inhabitants will know their neighbors? Citizenship becomes a series of numbers in computer systems. Deaths and births are recorded, and taxes paid, by mail. Leaders are selected anonymously, in tiny booths, from lists of names. How many citizens know their leaders personally, or have even met them? How can a society that never interacts be expected to select its leaders? Youth is worshipped, and the elders, once the most respected members of society, are banished to "nursing homes." They die miserable deaths of loneliness and boredom, abandoned by their "families." Wisdom cannot survive where there is no one to remember it. In the ultimate triumph of individualism, even the family is atomized. Single mothers are commonplace, and children are entrusted to institutions at the earliest possible age. Americans become a nation of orphans, with no allegiance to anything but themselves. Complete alienation makes them ruthless, and thirsty for power. "Everybody wants to rule the world," goes the popular song.

The fourth Key of the Tarot is Heh, The Emperor. He signifies reason, and sight. In the age of reason, technology eliminates the senses, one by one, leaving only sight, the most detached, impersonal, "objective" sense. Smells are eliminated with deodorants and climate control. Taste and touch turn into commodities, to be marketed. The universal acceptance of the telephone substitutes the disembodied voice for physical presence. The advent of computers completes the sterilization: communication is reduced to words on a flickering screen. To avoid misunderstandings, it becomes necessary to introduce a system for representing sarcasm on computer networks, using combinations of punctuation known as "smileys." In the words of computer guru Paul Hoffman, "the Internet offers a great deal of anonymity, but weakens the social bond between the people using it." Welcome to the so-called "cyberfuture".

Orwell's two-way telescreens become widely available, hooked up through telephone lines to every imaginable service. Americans no longer have to leave their living rooms, let alone their houses. Every conceivable need is satisfied, at the click of a mouse. Viewers are able to project themselves into "virtual reality" and interact with their entertainment programming. Elaborate games promote a state of permanent masturbation, in which selfishness, domination, and violence have no consequences. For a species without a past, there can be no consequences, no sense of responsibility. Without continuity, and rootedness, the future makes no sense. Without hope, humans become like a swarm of locusts, scouring the earth from their living rooms, destroying their host. The native Americans taught that the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. Their truths die with them, and the world spins out of balance.

To the future or to the past, to a time when men are different from one another and do not live alone--to a time when truth exists and what is done cannot be undone: From the age of uniformity, from the age of solitude, from the age of Big Brother...greetings!

Thank you for this informative and sad thread Slayer, great job as always. It seems to be a pattern of breaking continuity with the past or something. I also wonder about the private collections which we will never even know about.

reply to post by Isaacland


I totally agree we live in an Orwellian society. So many things in 1984 have come true. My favorite is "We have always been at war with Eastasia" one week and "We Have Always Been at War With Oceania" the next week. I don't think I have ever lived a year without a cold or hot war somewhere in the world.

If you control history, you can control the present, and if you control the present, you can control the future. The burning of the Library of Alexandria was an attempt to control history.

By the way, some scholars think Orwell was writing about 1948, he just switched the last two numbers since you can get away with charged ideas more in "science fiction" novels.