The Destruction of Human History....

Originally posted by neo96
maybe they were great and maybe they werent fact remains we will never know.

I want to know all of it.

The Good, The Bad and yes The Ugly.

That's who we are. This is how we learn. We have been robbed of some of that past.

Hi slayer, great topic; you know along with specific ancient institutions like the Library of Alexandria, an even more tragic (from a lost history standpoint) is the collapse of the Canaanite city states.

Some of the earlier Canaanite settlements and walled towns were ancient by the time the Sumerians were just leaving the Zagros mountains, yet very little is known of these sites. Had the Canaanite kings unified under one ruler they might have been one of the great ancient civilizations. Instead they eventually succumbed to a number of invaders the last being David. By the time they began exploring and expanding their realm again (by now known to the Greeks as Phoenicians) they would produce a city to rival Roma, in Carthage, only to again be destroyed and ultimately vanish as any sort of power. What I suppose makes their history a travesty is that they were a major influence in the ancient world, yet most of the history we have of them came from their conquerors and enemies the Israelites.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how about the earthquake that did in the colossus of rhodes ?

Not just Earthquakes but fires and floods etc.

I focused mainly on Human self inflected destruction of our history. This can also include a lost history during and preceding the Ice age melt off and or the flooding of ancient habitable coastlines etc.

well I'm no expert, but I bet the nazi's should be on the lsit somewhere. WWII in general must have lead to the biggest thefts in history

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Thank you for the reply.
Yes our collective human history is full of these types of acts. This is why I'll question modern academia's straight forward arrogance sometimes. There is noway for them to know what exactly has been lost. I'm pretty sure there were things that were destroyed that would amaze those who believe strictly in the linear progression of mankind's history.

I have wondered what treasures have been lost in Tibet with the destruction waged by the Chinese, on the monasteries in particular that would have stored manuscripts and artefacts dating back hundred of years or more. Here again we have the attempted systematic destruction of a whole culture. Whether or not they have really relented in more recent times - reports that I have seen seem to vary - who knows what treasures are gone forever.

Less well known is what happened when the Ming Dynasty sent a massive force to invade Vietnam - once control of the country was gained, they set about stamping out Vietnamese culture, systematically destroying books, monuments, paintings, temples, anything that could be used to demonstrate an independent identity.

Another regretful loss, though somewhat different, is the knowledge that was held by the Druids. They reputedly held a great store of knowledge and history of all manner of things, but it was passed down orally, their laws forbade writing it down. Thus when they were wiped out by the Romans it was all lost. What did they know that we can now only guess at?

peace
J

Originally posted by Signals
I'd like to add the stones covering the Great Pyramid at Giza being stripped off and used for Cairo building projects is a HUGE travesty HUGE...

Not to mention where is the capstone (if it existed)?

That's another one that gets me going. Not just the outer casing but the entire Great Pyramid has been stripped. There is nothing left, it's basically just an empty megalithic mystery.

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I appreciate the content of your reply which only further proves that it isn't just the West. It happens all over the planet and by every culture/civilization.

Originally posted by StealthyKat
Just like when the Iraq war started and they looted and destroyed so many ancient artifacts and works of art that can never be replaced. It just made me sick. They call it the "cradle of civilization" for a reason.....and some of that stuff is gone for good.

The sad part about that is that many don't realize that there are several "Cradle of Civilization locations"

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Not just Mesopotamia/Sumerian/Babylonian etc. Which doesn't take away from the loss. All have to certain extents been plundered throughout history and by many people.

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me too

mother nauture has robbed us and we have robbed ourselves as well.

mother nature is out of our control and to a degree war,tomb robbers and black marketeers rob us as well

just like the places and artifacts we are victims of circumstance.

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Another great location.
Our history is full of these losses. So again just how accurate is our known history? I'm sure Byrd or others will be stopping in soon to tell us how accurate things are believed to be

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still lost to history:

Noah's Ark – biblical ship
The Ark of the Covenant – biblical repository for the Ten Commandments
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, lost following the invasion by Assyria in 722 BC
The Lost Army of Cambyses - an army of 50,000 soldiers that disappeared in a sandstorm in the Egyptian desert (lost 525? BC)
The lost dialogues of Aristotle (d. 322 BC)
The Holy Grail – biblical chalice
Thors Hammer


even mythological items do have some basis in fact in mankinds history

My personal opinion is that the Vatican has been behind the majority of these desecrations to our human history. Why- because it goes against the teachings of the Bible, and they couldn't have that. The existance of aliens, the existance of exceptional anti-gravity technology. They made sure to stump the average man's intelligence level for hundreds if not thousands of years, all to gain control of the masses.

I just think of the travesties that were committed during WWII such as looted treasures of countries ending up in the private collections of German officers, and if this happened in recent history, I can only wonder if anything from the library of Alexander ended up in private collections throughout the periods that eventually led to it's entire destruction. If any of it did end up in private collections, would it have survived to this day?

They have found medical instruments that were not much different from that which are used in modern operating rooms in Greece, I wonder if there were other medical discoveries or even cures that were lost due to war, invasions, etc of other countries in history

It is astonishing to think that history repeats itself, even in Egypt history was erased of past rulers, by newer ones. You have the subsequent burnings of the Library of Alexandra before its final destruction. Just about whenever you had a conquering army invade a place, they destroyed things that did not jive with the beliefs of their ruling class. (I include US in that as well, US politicians are the elected ruling class in this case.)

The amount of art that has been lost is astonishing as well. Art is a good indication of who people were, almost as much as a written record. Just look at the artwork around us today, and I think you will see that the artwork is full of the human spirit.

I hope my ramblings are easily understood.

Oh and almost forgot, another great thread Slayer, S&F

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Great thread. It irks me when history shows speak in definitive terms. They find one Lucy and spin a story that weaves into an entire field of thought, all contingent on that one skull found with little context. Historical sciences (archeology, paleo anthropology, paleology, etc.) often acts as if finding one thing makes a complete record. So we hear silly things being presented as facts, like, the ancient Summarians were among the first civilizations with complex social systems, institutions, a written language, etc. INSTEAD of saying what is factually more accurate which would be, "Of the little we know, the ancient Summarians...." Because we don't know what we don't know.

Worse, science out of hand rejects things that don't fit into it's carefully crafted narratives of what was. So many out of place objects are ignored. I've yet to read or see a mainstream archeologist dare to address the incredible anamoly that is Baalbek. Maybe one or two crane in the world today could even lift the largest of those stones, much less transport them and fit them without mortar so tightly you can't slip a scalpel between stones.

Only now are we really starting to explore our world under water (2/3rds the Earth!) and we are already discovering structures that turn the conventional story of ancient civilizations on its head.

So instead of having the audacity of saying what was with arrogant certainty, I wish for some humility and honesty by always preceding statements with, "As far as we know..."

and by the way, yes, the loss of Alexandria still makes me mournful whenever I think about it. Indeed, preserving what was considered ancient back in 300 B.C. The mind staggers at the thought.

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Good points.

I do think there is a thread here at ATS. They found that lost Army. Or they found a large enough remnant to know that they did get lost and most likely died of thirst. But back to the topic. Yes, Even for those who do not believe in much of that an accurate record would either dispel, confirm or collaborate a story/long held belief's genesis.

Sometimes the truth hurts but I consider it like some medicines.
It's good for you but tastes bad

When the never ending greed and lust in this life is more important than how people think of you after you die, you are not civilised, as long as the world has countries that fight about resources, religion and race things will never change.

History is a bloody road of advancement, in Gold, Oil and Drugs they trust.

Originally posted by facelift
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The ones you mentioned are definitely on top of the list...


A little closer to our day and age would be the Pillaging of Egypt via Dr. Hawass - the criminal...

I'm not a big fan of Hawass. He seemed a bit too shifty for my tastes.

In addition, the disappearance of The Book of Threads seems like a monumental loss to many as well...

Tragic!

reply to post by neo96

“The principle goal of education is to create men who are capable of doing new things, not simply of repeating what other generations have done - men who are creative, inventive and discoverers” - Jean Piaget

Right on neo96!

So why do we keep repeating the same mistakes?

Why do we ignore the very lessons which SLAYER69's post presents to us? Ancient knowledge. Ancient knowledge that could enlighten all of us and make this a much happier world. Ancient knowledge that has either been forgotten, or deliberately destroyed?

There are no easy answers. We simply have to keep trying. Each in our own way.

Mucho gracias for the reply!

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Why do we ignore the very lessons which SLAYER69's post presents to us?





How about thinking for yourself..?


Whether he is right or wrong, there's no need to come off like a tool...it's this mentality that promotes group think...


Just Say No to Group Think...

The entire series is good but this one fired my imagination when I first saw it. This possibly explains how they could have had some level of higher technology without the Bulky Explosive energy we use and have no remnants of our level of technology. I always love this explanation when some ask that if they were so advanced then where are the wires and generators etc?

I think Tesla rediscovered what the Ancients may have already known [wireless electrical transfer etc] which is now lost to us again because of greed....

I respect the opinion of the old Egyptian guy especially when he raises his voice and states...
"If only people would listen!"

For those who haven't seen it yet it is well worth 40+ minutes of your time.
Enjoy

The Pyramid Code: High Level Technology