How Would You Describe God, What is Your Concept of Him

Originally posted by Gap77
Ok, so after reading many people's perspectives. I decided i tell you a bit about my own life story.

When i was a kid, about the age of 5.. My family got into a wide-spread neighbour fight. Accusing us of things we have never done. And accusing my family of many things. This lasted for many years. My dad went drinking, got home, got into fights with mom. Throwing stuff through the living room arguing all the time about why it had to come this far etc.. So i had to go to school every day, and all those memory's of all those days just glued on me. I always been a loner as a kid, maybe had 1 friend in school sometimes, never been able to talk about how things go. All the time thinking about all these sad en bad memory's.

Even teachers at school haunted me with my own family story's. I just couldnt keep up anymore, School went downhill, my family grow apart but still tried to make best of what life had to offer and to keep the kids save.

A couple of years later when i was like 8 or something, Police on our door, for me. I supposedly smashed the windows of someones car. Honestly, i never will do such a thing. But many evenings i was at the police station going throught interrogations. Even some eye-witnessess told they have seen me doing it. So anyways, i keep denying, because ofcourse i know i didnt do it. They must have mistaken me with someone else. And believe me, there where a couple of young blonde haired kids in my neighbourhood. So i kept saying i didnt do anything, evening after evening. Untill at a time, both my parents are crying infront of me asking me if i would lie and tell them i scratched the car or something, or just say something so we could get rid of these long interregotians.

So i did, i lied and told i throw some rock through the window, because thats what they accused me off. So long interregations where over. But ofcourse that began to haunt me aswell. I allready had problems at school and know it only began to be even worse. I couldnt concentrate anymore, And with growing older i hang out with the wrong friends. Doing drugs, drinking and nothing but partying, I gave up on school, started to find a job, because ofcourse i need to make some money to able to have some sort of life in this world.

I kept on partying like if there was no tommorow. I once took an overdose and got a NDE. Near Death Eperience. I always told myself that was because of the drugs, and all the people telling me the same ofcourse. But after studying this phenomonon, they mostly all had the same experience as i did. Seeing your own body from above, thinking about being somewhere and immediatly being there, like going through walls and all i can remember i was shouting that i was death.

So all that made me wanted to go look for God, and search about Him. Because i had many questions i wanted answers to. And i found alot of them after many years of studying.

And the moral of my life-story is: If people shown more love for eachother and there neighbour, my life would have been brilliant and awesome! Because all i have now is a life going through hell. I am like 33 now, all my relationships failed as fast as they got started. I have to many complexes people couldnt even think of people having it. I am broken hearted, i live with a broken smile. I am to sensitive and emotional with certain things people never cared off. And all that people chose for hate and anger, instead of love and compassion.

So all i have left now is my believe and my faith in God!

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Dear Gap77,

I had to read what you wrote very slowly because I didn't want to miss anything. To begin with I am ready to cry and wish you to know that in my mind and heart I am hugging you. In my humble opinion, you need to heal before you seek a new relationship. I will give my story in short detail, lost half my family and friends in a matter of five years (for awhile one a month literally). Two kids on drugs (one prescription and one not) and my wife cheating on me with a "family friend". Now between trips in and out of the hospital, I was still trying to be productive in a very stressful job. My therapist was shocked that I never felt suicidal, wanted to die; but, don't believe in suicide or giving up on doing what is right. In my Benz in Baker California I had a NDE. I believed in God prior; but, cannot express how changed I was at that moment. For me God is very personal. Forgiving my wife allowed me to heal in my heart. Divorced four years ago, she divorced me, he dumped her immediately.

I dated a little since the divorce, lovely, sweet, intelligent professionals each one. Never had a bad date. I also discovered that I was not ready to be in the relationship that I wanted because I wasn't ready. I had to fully forgive my ex-wife first, I had to get completely over it and I did, then I needed some time just to heal my soul and determine what I wanted and who would compliment me on the trip and who would I compliment on the trip of this life. I know and she hasn't been here yet; but, I have faith that it will happen.

There is clearly much good in your heart that you could withstand what you did and remember that God and love can be our choices. I do hope that you let go all of your guilt or anger or negative feelings and let that love explode, you will go crazy with joy and it will wash away all that happened. Think about how you feel when you find those moments of joy, we don't even think about the pain of the past, we are in the moment. Be well, best wishes and peace. Thanks for sharing so deep within your heart.

Originally posted by zaper
reply to post by laffoe

 

as always gemelo sjaels fraend...
never as simple and never enough said, i love your way to describe him/her

"god" (often misused and misinterpreted) is just one word offered by religions in this realm same as the word "Dios" in my language, I respect all the names bro/sis have for him/her but i dont named it god.
For me god or dios its "the source", the max creator, the universe itself.
The source can not be limited to a single name or religion even
I know sacred texts but i dont follow any religion in special,
I follow my heart, innervoice... the source is there and when we are balanced we can hear it.

Yes agree, its exist.

Love, light, wisdom

Dearest Zaper,

I shall say to you in private what I will not say on this thread. You know I love your explanation.

reply to post by Gap77


Dear Gap77,

I have had some more time to think about what you wrote. Love leads to hope and hope can lead to love, either one will have no choice but to lead to the other. I do hope you find both and get to experience them for a nice long time. Be well.

Thanks for the thoughts of comfort Aquestion.. I can confirm, that i shared this story because of how negative some people lifes go, on the other end there is always something positive waiting. We just have to openly look for it ofcourse.

Along the way, i still feel deep anger and hate for all those things that have come to pass, and it is a mather of forgiveness.. All i have to do is forgive for what has happened. Show some kind of mercy to the people who have made me making wrong choices, if i ever had any. And move on and continue doing what is right. Keep believing and having faith, that after every dark cloud, still comes sunshine. I just need to get stronger in letting things go for as they are. Live like every day is a new day for a new start. Each day reminding me, that as long as i'm standing i can still find a way to find my home.

So yeah there is hope in me, it's just a mather of living with a bad vibration of negative thoughts and figuring out how to make things positive in the now. And that only works so far, by showing love, compasion and appreciation for all that is.

Originally posted by Gap77
Thanks for the thoughts of comfort Aquestion.. I can confirm, that i shared this story because of how negative some people lifes go, on the other end there is always something positive waiting. We just have to openly look for it ofcourse.

Along the way, i still feel deep anger and hate for all those things that have come to pass, and it is a mather of forgiveness.. All i have to do is forgive for what has happened. Show some kind of mercy to the people who have made me making wrong choices, if i ever had any. And move on and continue doing what is right. Keep believing and having faith, that after every dark cloud, still comes sunshine. I just need to get stronger in letting things go for as they are. Live like every day is a new day for a new start. Each day reminding me, that as long as i'm standing i can still find a way to find my home.

So yeah there is hope in me, it's just a mather of living with a bad vibration of negative thoughts and figuring out how to make things positive in the now.

And that only works so far, by showing love, compasion and appreciation for all that is.

Dear Gap77,

I am so happy to know that you are showing compassion and appreciation and love. How can that be anything other than a good thing? I will tell you the exact second when it happened for me. I was in my car and my blood pressure had skyrocketed from all the stress. I parked my car at the Starbucks in Baker to die there without causing an accident. Didn't want to harm anyone. I thought to myself, well AQuestion, this is is, this is when you finally get to leave this place. I thought about whether or not I felt I had done my job here. I decided that I had accomplished what I set out to do and did it by my rules, I then wondered if I had any wish for retribution to anyone for what they had done to me and I just couldn't leave with anger remaining here. I just couldn't leave with that baggage and decided I couldn't want anyone to feel that pain, I forgave her and the man she cheated on me with. A bit of an NDE later and now I am a pacifist and off all medications and happy and healthy. Later I had to forgive myself for things I had done over the years, that was even harder, forgiving myself was the toughest. When I came home a few days later, I wrote down what I wanted to say to everyone that was in my life, something for them to hear when I am dead. I could no more give up believing in God than I can give up believing in love and wouldn't wish to stop believing in either, I like hope. Peace.

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

If I were a believer, which I obviously am not, I would not accept the sexist notion implied in your title: why should that "god" be a man by definition? why would the gender dichotomy apply to it?

IMO, it doesn't! God incorporates both male and female. However in English, using 'it' about anything other than an inanimate object is pejorative, as you probably know. There is no other word that can be used unlike, in for instance, the Japanese language, where as a Japanese woman once explained to me, there is a non-gender pronoun specifically for God.
So God is not a man, not in any way. God is more than man or woman.
V

Originally posted by Gap77


So all i have left now is my believe and my faith in God!

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Wow, you have had a hard life, Gap77... I am so pleased that you have faith, and hope that the next part of your life will be happier and more satisfying!
Vicky

I compare it to the big bang myself. An explosion of sentience, apart and yet still part of the whole, we just have to see that we are part of a greater sentience, that is my summary of what you posted.

reply to post by AQuestion


Thanks for your warm welcome!

Yes, it does seem to have a correspondence with the scientific concept of the "Big Bang." What I really found most startling and new, however, was the implication that the "separation" was essentially an unforeseen mistake. That the eons of darkness, wandering and loss of God were neither intended in God's original plan of creation, nor a "fall" of mankind through our disobedience.

It means, among other implications, that creation has had unforeseen results, which puts an entirely different perspective upon both the Creator and His Creation. It explains and honors our fear of God, and invalidates our concept of His omniscience (at least in regards to His creation.) Frankly, it made a lot of sense to me.

What I got out of it was that Creator and Creation both have work to do in order to reunite, and that neither party is to "blame" for what has happened. Also, the notion that soul and spirit contain essence that the other needs, makes the journey more of an exciting reconciliation as opposed to a contrite capitulation.

I also found the rest of the site quite illuminating, and expect to be doing some crying (healing tears) in the coming days. I hope others find something of value in these pages as well.
www.cyquest.com...

Thanks again for the opportunity to share!

Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes

If I were a believer, which I obviously am not, I would not accept the sexist notion implied in your title: why should that "god" be a man by definition? why would the gender dichotomy apply to it?

IMO, it doesn't! God incorporates both male and female. However in English, using 'it' about anything other than an inanimate object is pejorative, as you probably know. There is no other word that can be used unlike, in for instance, the Japanese language, where as a Japanese woman once explained to me, there is a non-gender pronoun specifically for God.
So God is not a man, not in any way. God is more than man or woman.
V

To all,

No sexism intended by any that I have seen, none by me, I love women. The amazing Vicky32, a linguist understood, and if I said he, I do hope she knew that I believe God is way beyond gender. Peace.

Originally posted by joechip

I compare it to the big bang myself. An explosion of sentience, apart and yet still part of the whole, we just have to see that we are part of a greater sentience, that is my summary of what you posted.

reply to post by AQuestion

 

Thanks for your warm welcome!

Yes, it does seem to have a correspondence with the scientific concept of the "Big Bang." What I really found most startling and new, however, was the implication that the "separation" was essentially an unforeseen mistake. That the eons of darkness, wandering and loss of God were neither intended in God's original plan of creation, nor a "fall" of mankind through our disobedience.

I means, among other implications, that creation has had unforeseen results, which puts an entirely different perspective upon both the Creator and His Creation. It explains and honors our fear of God, and invalidates our concept of His omniscience (at least in regards to His creation.) Frankly, it made a lot of sense to me.

What I got out of it was that Creator and Creation both have work to do in order to reunite, and that neither party is to "blame" for what has happened.

I also found the rest of the site quite illuminating, and expect to be doing some crying (healing tears) in the coming days. I hope others find something of value in these pages as well.
www.cyquest.com...

Thanks again for the opportunity to share!

Dearest JoeChip,

Will you play along with us, will you be willing to open your heart to those who hate us? Just let them say what they are seeking, what an amazing journey this may become if we do that. The separation was not a surprise to those who planned it, how could it be, would you take that risk with eternity? Of course you would not, anything that is less than hell is better and de facto heaven. The best we can have at the moment.

Originally posted by AQuestion


To all,

No sexism intended by any that I have seen, none by me, I love women. The amazing Vicky32, a linguist understood, and if I said he, I do hope she knew that I believe God is way beyond gender. Peace.

Oh yes, there's really no good alternative in English, so I am fine with it!
Vicky

The separation was not a surprise to those who planned it, how could it be, would you take that risk with eternity?

reply to post by AQuestion


Perhaps I would take that chance.

A. If I knew myself to be invulnerable.
B. Grew bored and desired to share my love with another (who did not then exist.)

We had great self-love then. But we had no love of other. There was no "other" to love. There was only me. I only had awareness of self, and love for the self that we were. We were magnificent, but soon, our magnificence began to grow stale. Love perceived the possibility of a new thing: love for other. The seeds within began to stir at this, and we began to form pictures of these potentialities. We saw that we couldn't truly understand "love for other" without experiencing it, and we couldn't experience it in our present state of one-ness. To learn more of this "love for other" we would need to become more than One.

www.cyquest.com...

But what was a revelation (I had never considered the possibility) was that such a creation, being a radical and new idea, could have consequences unforeseen to spirit, that indeed splitting His essence could entail something akin to "birth trauma" for both Creator and Creation.

If the notion doesn't resonate with you, that is of course okay. It challenged my ideas about God. It is no more, or less, than an idea. Just as my ideas about an infallible God, and "fallen" humanity are likewise only ideas. And this new idea made me judge both Him and myself (humanity in general) less. Perhaps therein lay the value for me, at least.

Peace.

reply to post by AQuestion


//How Would You Describe God, What is Your Concept of Him//

God is like a father, the one who is always there and continues to teach and guide... unlike 90% of biological fathers.

Originally posted by Vicky32

Originally posted by AQuestion


To all,

No sexism intended by any that I have seen, none by me, I love women. The amazing Vicky32, a linguist understood, and if I said he, I do hope she knew that I believe God is way beyond gender. Peace.

Oh yes, there's really no good alternative in English, so I am fine with it!
Vicky

Dearest Vicky32,

Thank you as a student of English, my favorite author is my devastating Jane Austen. I would never oppose such a lady, nor even begin to consider myself better than and I do believe the person you responded too felt the same way, very nice to see another sheeddog, be well. Peace.

reply to post by AQuestion


Dear Aquestion,
I was wondering if you had found 'God'?
There is a big difference between believing in God and knowing God. Would you agree?
I have read most of the posts on this thread and it doesn't seem like 'The power of God' has been found by many.
I have suffered and i didn't like it. Now, though it is all better.
Did you find the end of suffering?

Namaste.

Originally posted by joechip

I compare it to the big bang myself. An explosion of sentience, apart and yet still part of the whole, we just have to see that we are part of a greater sentience, that is my summary of what you posted.

reply to post by AQuestion

 

Thanks for your warm welcome!

Yes, it does seem to have a correspondence with the scientific concept of the "Big Bang." What I really found most startling and new, however, was the implication that the "separation" was essentially an unforeseen mistake. That the eons of darkness, wandering and loss of God were neither intended in God's original plan of creation, nor a "fall" of mankind through our disobedience.

It means, among other implications, that creation has had unforeseen results, which puts an entirely different perspective upon both the Creator and His Creation. It explains and honors our fear of God, and invalidates our concept of His omniscience (at least in regards to His creation.) Frankly, it made a lot of sense to me.

What I got out of it was that Creator and Creation both have work to do in order to reunite, and that neither party is to "blame" for what has happened. Also, the notion that soul and spirit contain essence that the other needs, makes the journey more of an exciting reconciliation as opposed to a contrite capitulation.

I also found the rest of the site quite illuminating, and expect to be doing some crying (healing tears) in the coming days. I hope others find something of value in these pages as well.
www.cyquest.com...

Thanks again for the opportunity to share!

edit on 7-6-2011 by joechip because: to elaborate

edit on 7-6-2011 by joechip because: spelling

Dear JoeChip,

Thank you for the compliment; but, I am just another one on the journey, just happy to hear from others. I thought if we heard from each other that it might help. If that makes sense. Unforseen results means that we must accept free will, that means growth is possible, I can live with that. I have faith that we will find more answers and more questions. I did not call myself an answer for I have none, only my experience and my understanding and those are partial at best, sometimes flat out wrong. Still there is more to life than meets the eye. Healing tears are good, didn't always understand that myself. I am off to work, be well.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Dear Aquestion,
I was wondering if you had found 'God'?
There is a big difference between believing in God and knowing God. Would you agree?
I have read most of the posts on this thread and it doesn't seem like 'The power of God' has been found by many.
I have suffered and i didn't like it. Now, though it is all better.
Did you find the end of suffering?

Namaste.

edit on 7-6-2011 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Dear Itisnowagain,

I truly enjoy hearing people use namaste as a greeting, someone taught me its meaning and it is so complete and I really enjoy it. Did I find God? Not sure, he definately found me. Quite a surprise there, didn't understand such things. Very traditional and expected little from this life. I would say that I was shown other ways to understand, still for me to figure it all out, not answers, that would be cheating and a shortcut, I don't believe in either.As for suffering, still do and anticipate more. I believe and hope that we spend our time here defining ourselves more than attempting to control others. I do not look for agreement or comfort as much as to understand where we differ in a gentle way.

Let me try this, finding God, so to speak, like science, only understanding more, never completely, always a little more mystery and I hate it when someone tells me the end of a mystery novel. I know there is a guilty person and we find out in the end; but, the joy is in the figuring it out yourself. I enjoy the journey knowing there is an answer. I play tournament poker, I love it because you can always get what we call a "bad beat". There is always an element of surprise.

If others have not found a personal relationship, that is okay, a process. But we should not assume that finding it puts all questions at an end, just more questions and new beginnings. At least it was that way for me. Namaste.

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Wow, you have had a hard life, Gap77... I am so pleased that you have faith, and hope that the next part of your life will be happier and more satisfying!
Vicky



I thank you sincerely for your kind and supporting words Vicky. It always gives me a smile that there are still a couple of kind and good persons walking on this earth.

Cheers!

Originally posted by daggyz

Originally posted by manontrial
The ancients knew and understood that the universe itself is a fully conscious entity, it is aware of all things at all times. Look for yourself, this is very true.
It is THIS concept that has been twisted, mis-interpreted and twisted again and again into this most ludicrous of idiotic ideas that there is some 'being' or 'god' out there somewhere and that somehow we humans are important.
We are not.

"god", as you call it, is nothing more than the universal consciousness that permeates everything, everywhere. It's the same thing that you feel and identify as your 'self'.

To think of a 'god' as in the god of christianity, judaism, islam etc is akin to believing in santa claus, tooth fairy, wrestling or mickey mouse.

Beautiful. In the Bible God says he is spirit. That means he's everywhere at all times because spirit is not bound by the rules that we live in on earth with the constraints of a body and time.

You've just agreed with the Bibles interpretation of the existance of God while denying he's a separate being. That means you believe in the existene of the universe from a big bang that came about from absolutley nothing..... and you critisize the faith of religions?

Hilarious, you have more faith than all of them put together.

Grab a coffee, sit down and consider what you actually believe.... that everything came from nothing. Here's your formula (nothing+nothing=everything). Faith man, you have heaps more faith than all of us! I applaud you... really, I actually applaud you. Faith is rare these days and examining the power of your faith in 'everything from nothing' may yet lead you to what is actually more plausable, yet generally rejected, that there is more in other dimensions that we know nothing about, cannot undertstand or even see.

Did you know that deep sea fish don't know humans exist on land above them. Therefore we don't becuase they don't believe it. We are in a different world to them, one they cannot exist in. They can't get to us, but we can get to them and visit them. But the fact those deep sea creatures don't know we exist or prove we exist to other deepsea creatures, does not change the fact we do exist. Silly example, but there are silly people so it should be understood well enough.

There is more around us that is more real and permanent than we are. Accept it or not. It makes no difference to that reality as to whetehr you believe it exists or not. You will die and it will continue as it's not something that dies. Our puny little minds (as brilliant as some think they are) cannot fathom other dimensions that we exist within.


By the way 'manontrial' how did wrestling get lumped in with the tooth fairy, was there one called the tooth fairy?

edit on 5-6-2011 by daggyz because: skx

Dear daggyz,

What a brilliant post, please forgive me if I didn't comment sooner, I was so busy keeping up with replies that I may have missed some things, I keep going back to read what others said. Funny that some accept science saying that there are alternate universes and are so afraid to consider that those alternates may be heaven and hell, spiritual rather than just places. They fear what they may find. Be well.

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Dear Aquestion,
Thank you for your reply.
I thought i'd post these videos for you. I find them very inspiring.
If you watch them, please let me know what you think.

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Namaste.