How Would You Describe God, What is Your Concept of Him

Is anyone familiar with the "Path of Tears?" I found this site and it really resonated with me.

www.cyquest.com...

In this cosmology there is a definite difference from anything I've read before, and quite radical understanding of "God." It blew my mind.

I have always found explanations of "the separation" or split between "created" and "creator" lacking and intuitively wrong, or at least incomplete, even those that don't expressly blame humanity, still tend to make little sense in that "God" is always accepted as infallible and perfect. This is another take on it.

sorry it's so long..I tried to cut it more, but it didn't lend itself to that....

Eventually the pressure grew to the point of explosion, and our careful plan of splitting into two entities was shattered. Some of our essence went flying off into the voids of space. Some has yet to be recovered. Nevertheless, although the break wasn't clean or balanced, there were two large essences come into being as a result of the explosion that could possibly have carried out the plan, if they had remembered the plan.

Unfortunately, the trauma of birth and the essence missing from both from the explosion, meant they had little to no consciousness for a very long time, and virtually no memory of the original plan. That was the 2nd thing that went wrong. They didn't remember the plan. The third thing that went wrong was that what had originally been planned as a mild imbalance in energy that could be the need that drew them back together, became a greater and greater imbalance. The way the split took place caused more of the "want to slow down" essence to glom together, and the "want to speed up" essence to glom together. The fears in each caused them to blame the other for the pain they were experiencing. This could have been got over, if they had been able to approach each other gently and with some initial exchange of essence to lessen the extreme imbalance.

We had planned that this first exchange would be a glorious discovery of mutual pleasure, a give and take like making love, where each one discovers the other has exactly what was needed and is grateful and celebratory and seeking further union. What happened instead was, upon waking into consciousness, both parts felt alone and separated as we had never felt when we were ONE. The explosion had sent them too far apart, for one thing. And for another, it had made them forget that there even was any "other". That meant their need and feelings of incompleteness seemed helpless of remedy, hopeless of relief. If you have ever experienced feelings of starvation or extreme thirst with no relief in sight you will have an inkling of what this initial experience was like. Separation and incompleteness triggered each into stark survival terror.

We had never felt incomplete before. We had never been without wholeness. It was terrifying. This unholy need-terror also reminded them each of their birth terror, and they responded to it according to the energetic polarizations they had split into - one tried to hold still around the fear, and wait, and became energetically more dense. The other pushed outwardly, trying to take control of the fear, seek its source, and essentially get rid of it, make it stop. This "pushing" essence was of a less dense energy to begin with, and had more of our ability for what we would call thought. But it had little tolerance for slowness or the fear it carried, and its response to the feeling of being incomplete was to push, again, on the need, to get rid of it and stop the feeling of need. Now, in the first splitting, we had activated our ABILITY to split our own essence. This enabled the "pushing" essence to split itself as well, by pushing outwardly it continued to split off parts of itself. It literally threw its own need and much of its own survival fear away, whenever those parts came close to conscious awareness.

from The Original Plan
www.cyquest.com...

There's alot more to the site...most of its involved with healing the soul...this snippet was the exception in that it got into cosmological origin story. Interested in people's take on that.

Thanks.

Ok, so after reading many people's perspectives. I decided i tell you a bit about my own life story.

When i was a kid, about the age of 5.. My family got into a wide-spread neighbour fight. Accusing us of things we have never done. And accusing my family of many things. This lasted for many years. My dad went drinking, got home, got into fights with mom. Throwing stuff through the living room arguing all the time about why it had to come this far etc.. So i had to go to school every day, and all those memory's of all those days just glued on me. I always been a loner as a kid, maybe had 1 friend in school sometimes, never been able to talk about how things go. All the time thinking about all these sad en bad memory's.

Even teachers at school haunted me with my own family story's. I just couldnt keep up anymore, School went downhill, my family grow apart but still tried to make best of what life had to offer and to keep the kids save.

A couple of years later when i was like 8 or something, Police on our door, for me. I supposedly smashed the windows of someones car. Honestly, i never will do such a thing. But many evenings i was at the police station going throught interrogations. Even some eye-witnessess told they have seen me doing it. So anyways, i keep denying, because ofcourse i know i didnt do it. They must have mistaken me with someone else. And believe me, there where a couple of young blonde haired kids in my neighbourhood. So i kept saying i didnt do anything, evening after evening. Untill at a time, both my parents are crying infront of me asking me if i would lie and tell them i scratched the car or something, or just say something so we could get rid of these long interregotians.

So i did, i lied and told i throw some rock through the window, because thats what they accused me off. So long interregations where over. But ofcourse that began to haunt me aswell. I allready had problems at school and know it only began to be even worse. I couldnt concentrate anymore, And with growing older i hang out with the wrong friends. Doing drugs, drinking and nothing but partying, I gave up on school, started to find a job, because ofcourse i need to make some money to able to have some sort of life in this world.

I kept on partying like if there was no tommorow. I once took an overdose and got a NDE. Near Death Eperience. I always told myself that was because of the drugs, and all the people telling me the same ofcourse. But after studying this phenomonon, they mostly all had the same experience as i did. Seeing your own body from above, thinking about being somewhere and immediatly being there, like going through walls and all i can remember i was shouting that i was death.

So all that made me wanted to go look for God, and search about Him. Because i had many questions i wanted answers to. And i found alot of them after many years of studying.

And the moral of my life-story is: If people shown more love for eachother and there neighbour, my life would have been brilliant and awesome! Because all i have now is a life going through hell. I am like 33 now, all my relationships failed as fast as they got started. I have to many complexes people couldnt even think of people having it. I am broken hearted, i live with a broken smile. I am to sensitive and emotional with certain things people never cared off. And all that people chose for hate and anger, instead of love and compassion.

So all i have left now is my believe and my faith in God!

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Originally posted by 1MrMarc
I would describe God as the embodiment of everything. God is where everything came from and where everything is going. Too many things in the universe are too perftect for it all to be a coincidence and/or accident. Accidents do happen and not everything is perfect. Just like me, I'm born 9 months and a day after my parents anniversary and I am no saint. But I still exist. So who knows. This is a great question that has sparked some good answers. At the Episcopal Cathedral in Phoenix, Az. there is a stained glass window behind the alter and I always wondered what it was depicting. Then one day during a sermon, the pastor said that God is a great 8 winged Angel and that is what the window represented. I do have faith but I know that I am not the best Christian. I pray every night before bed, but only get to church for the holidays. So for me to say that I know what exactly God is, I would only be able to answer from what I believe in my heart, not from what I have learned in church.

Dear 1MrMarc,

I like your description on many levels. There are many who are very upset about this thread because what I insist upon is mutual respect rather than requesting endless proofs which are impossible, science never stops looking for an answer and shouldn't. They don't want us to treat spirituality the same way because it allows us to work cooperatively and in love; but, if you read everyone's reason for believing regardless of the "religion" they are all based on love. We allow ourselves to be distracted by the minutia. Why would anyone be against spiritual people loving one another, it is simple, they hate everyone of us regardless of our beliefs. They prefer to go after Christians because there are so many of us; but, just like in Europe, once they have established secularism as the primary belief set, they will attack Muslims next, they will save the Hindus and Buddhists for later.

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur

Originally posted by AQuestion
Dear SuperiorEd,

I have read this before and am familiar with the concept. It does have a unique elegance; but, my description would be different. I believe our soul is born again in that it is refreshed; but, that we do not lose the memory completely. Maybe I put that poorly. The soul memory, the knowledge and wisdom that we gained from the experience here. Not so much in thoughts as in keeping the emotional structure that we learned, chose, whatever, in place. Perhaps we are not that far apart, perhaps we are not apart at all and are only describing it slightly differently. Why don't we see where this goes and agree that we will never have the exact same take on it as we are each ourselves. Peace

As they say, "All paths lead to the top of the mountain, the only thing that changes is the view."

Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
reply to post by SuperiorEd

 

Well put, very concise.

The fact that the Church of Rome declared it a heresy is yet another reason to believe it.

And

to this.

Dear AdamsMurmer,

I left the Catholic church 40 years ago at age 12 and was an agnostic for 12 after that. I came to my beliefs slowly and over time. I cannot say that I did not learn what I believe without the help of the fine priests and nuns that I knew and priests were Jesuit. Irish, smoking, drinking and boxing Jesuit priest. They never did any wrong to me or those around me and exposed me to the love of God, I just wasn't ready to accept anything I had not investigated on my own. They gave me that freedom and never told me any question I asked was stupid. I know that is not everyone's experience with the church; but, it was mine.

When I became a Protestant I had to endure hearing how all the people that I had grown up with and loved me, were evil because they were Catholic, it truly hurt me and perhaps even distanced me from the Protestants that believed like me. See how insidious division is? It gets us on both ends.

I understand what you went through. I was taken to Kingdom Hall (Jehovah's Witness) and the Orthodox church (was baptized Orthodox as well) around the same age. I too fell away from them, as I already mentioned that I believed God wasn't real at that time in my life. Plus I hated sitting in church, and having to wear a suit no less! (lol)

And while I did not physically rejoin any specific church, I still respect those roots and where I came from. Like foot prints in the snow, I'm glad to be taking the journey and be out of that town, but will always cherish it. It was my brother though, who I saw as a missionary at the time, that made me give faith a second chance. From then on, things gradually changed after an initial bang. I was set from that point on. It was only recently that a second bang occurred (the result of that "fasting" that SuperiorEd spoke about), which really jump-started things for me in a much more profound way.

But yeah, division and intolerance is the root of much suffering in this world. I wholeheartedly believe that as well. Mankind needs to learn to agree to disagree - pride/ego is the blockage we need to overcome.


Oh, and I want to make it clear that I'm not against Roman Catholicism as a whole, just the men who changed things to suit their needs. Deeming things heretical as they did is what brought about the dark ages, Inquisitions, witch hunts, and so on -- that's why.

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It lends credence to giving said things a second look and second thought.

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Dear AdamsMurmer,

I was anxious about coming back today and having to read all the hate from those who seek to prevent us from finding common ground. Not scared, just tired of hearing the same old cliches and that is all they really are. The drudgery of those who won't even allow us to simply look at what others believe. You make me smile and prepare me to answer the others, I enjoy reading your posts everytime, it is hopeful. In my "religion" there is a saying about God being the hope that is within our hearts. All believers are hopeful, not necessarily for the same thing; but, still hopeful that we can have better lives. The real prison begins when we stop believing that. Prison is not a place, it is a state of mind, ask anyone who has spent years in prison and that is a very common answer. Be well.

As for the Catholic church, I believe it was infiltrated by non-believers. I know this to be true, there are "theologians" who claim to be Catholic, teaching at Catholic colleges and universities that say that God is not a real being; but, a thought or representation. Now, I may not have been a very good Catholic; but, I know that is not official Catholic dogma. The head of all exorcisms for the Catholic church wrote a book where he outed cardinals and bishops for being pagan and even Luciferian within the church. I have no problem with either group; but, the ones that enter the Christian church change the meaning. I would not make myself out to be pagan in order to go into their meeting places and try and trick them into becoming Christians. Most of those beliefs don't wish to enter Christian churches or fool anyone. There are small groups within all religious groups that seek to undermine and confuse, to create disagreement to prevent growth.

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by AQuestion

 

I think that God is a man made object or deity that man has used to describe everything that he couldn't explain before science. Therefore my answer is that man is God.

Dear superman2012,

I originally thought you were off topic, I was wrong. You were courteous and did give an explanation that was responsive and was not negative. I openly apologize for having misunderstood your meaning. Please consider giving me a second chance and accept my apology, no need to do either, merely a request. Be well.

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Dearest laffoe,

I am so pleased that you like my little thread and overjoyed that you added your voice to it. We will speak in real time again, until then, peace.

Originally posted by ChaosMagician
God is the answer to the question.

Do you ever look at it in this sense.... God is a thing that has to be.

Just think about that. All the different ways you can look at that.

It's weird when you really think about it.

Dearest ChaosMagician,

I love your answer. Do you begin to get the feeling that we are like the blind men who have discovered the elephant, one touches the ears and assumes one thing, another feels the legs and assumes another, the final one touches the trunk. We are all attempting to describe something that none of us can fully experience because we are all blind. We only experience part until we get sight and later other senses. What if we could have a better sense of the whole by sharing what we experience, knowing that each of us has made some bad assumptions?

Originally posted by Trueman
Yes, somehow it was easy to me to understand the link between your previous thread and this one, it make sense to me. Today we are living a preamble to an open persecution of the believers, we christians are first in the list, but not the only ones. Check this site as an example :

www.persecution.com...

Also, remember what is happening in Tibet : www.freetibet.org...

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Dear Trueman,

You are very smart indeed, yes I am doing exactly what you think. Gathering believers so that we can see that we all come from a place of love. What is the next step? And if you do know U2U mean rather than post here, let us keep the threads a developing thing so as to avoid misunderstanding. I do not seek to increase knowledge so much as wisdom, not by my answers, by our sharing. I do not wish to convince anyone of anything, I wish to see where we can learn from each other. There are those who seek conformity, I do not. There are those who seek to tell us that there is a perfect answer, we can't understand it, we are stupid and we just have to accept that they are right, I disagree. They then say that nothing can be known except that we are idiots and wrong. I don't even have to point them out on this thread, it has progressed enough that we will immediately know them when they arrive, we can just ignore them.

Originally posted by AboveTheTrees


I remember being taught to pray by my grandmother and imgining god as a giantic blue-ocean vault.

Dear AboveTheTrees,

A very impressive image. In the end we all have some perceived visual that speaks to us and when we say it, we should not be surprised that it speaks to others.

Originally posted by jean59
To me...god is the eternal light...the source.

A lake will reflect the outer world perfectly...cause a ripple and you get a distorted picture.
This world is in chaos, causing many distortions.

Love and understanding of one another, will help to restore the distorted picture...to its previous perfection..

Dear jean59,

Are you my wonderful Jean from another place where we discuss things? Whether you are or you are not, I love your answer, the way out, the way to love. Be well.

Originally posted by whatisreallygoingon
In the beginning there was no light, there was only a pure infinite ocean of consciousness called GOD and this consciousness it wanted to experience itself, it wanted to see itself and in that split second of contemplating itself billions and billions of beams of light went out in every direction and what were these beams of light? they were YOU and I. We were the children ,we are the children of GOD ,of this one central source of all life.

Dear whatisreallygoingon.

I would agree with the concept, we could call it the big bang or say in the beginning was the word or whatever, it is the idea that all came from one. There can be no absolute zero because we exist, if we exist for a second than the beginning knowledge is of one, not zero. From one came many, a sentient big bang.

Originally posted by FlyingJadeDragon

Originally posted by AQuestion

Originally posted by AQuestion
This is really quite a simple question. It does not require you to be fully understanding, I don't believe we can fully understand anything, I do believe we can grow in our understanding of everything by sharing information, our little bit of knowledge. If you join this thread to tell me that there is no God then you are off topic. If you tell me you don't believe in God, you can remain on topic if you explain what you think he could be like.

I said in my OP, don't waste my time with there is no God. This is not a survey to find out how many people believe in one, it is to see how many different perspectives people have on the one they believe in.

So, you should have made it clear that the thread was for 'believers only' from the beginning if that is your position with this. Instead, what you have done is created a closed question which forces participants to subscribe to your belligerent viewpoint (as indicated by your 'rules') if they wish to discuss it. FAIL....

I started the thread and I made clear that it was to discuss how people viewed God. NO one was told that it was about proving or disproving anyone else's position and you don't like that because you feel a need to prove there is no God, create a thread and do it, I won't even bother reading it, so why bother reading mine except to spread discension. Isn't there enough around already? You just want more.

Originally posted by manontrial
God, as in the god of islam, not real. As in the god of judasm, not real. As in the god of christianity, not real.
Just like oden, isis, neptune, zeus, satan, quetzatcoatl, santa and wrestling.

NOT REAL..

What is real is the underlying concept that connects all these ancient beliefs. There is a universal consciouness that permeats all things. Not a god.

Take a look at all your stories christians, they are ALL stolen from religions that existed long long before yours. Even the story of jesus was around thousands of years before you claimed it as your own, or did you not know that?

While I had intended to just let everyone ignore you, I think I would like to discuss your screen name so they can understand you better. Man On Trial, does that refer to humanity? Isn't that amusing, one thing it says in the bible is that the Devil (others read it as opponent, many descriptions) accuses us day and night before God. I always wondered what he accused us of, he accuses us of making all our choices based on the goodies of this world and of being incapable of loving one another. Do you find that interesting? How bout the rest of those reading this post, will they find it interesting?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
God is a word that is used and in general we say 'he', this makes most people assume that 'he' is a 'human being'??
God IS being, but 'he' is not human. 'He' is 'being' human , he is 'being' everything.
To be or not to be? This is the question.
The question is God.

So Aquestion (the op) is a play on words.
God is the question and the answer.
You are talking to yourself.
It looks like you (question) and I (answer).
Together this is God.

You can search high and low for God but you will not find him there.
God is here. No where to go to find God.
Nowhere is a placeless place, it is now- here.

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Dear itsnowagain,

I gave you a star and do hope that you do not have any hard feelings against me over my previous thread, I was preparing for this one and did point out that I would be confrontational in my OP on that one. I apologize if I said anything that seemed unkind (truth is I can't remember everything I said on that thread, it was a lot of work).

My screen name was not well thought out by me. I have been seeing the humor in my choice as I am here longer. If I may attempt to summarize what you said, God is all of us where we come together? I know your answer is more than that; but, did I catch the essence so that we can see the beginning of our understanding and then look at the parts one by one? Be well.

Originally posted by pacofunk64
This is the life long question many ask. Who is he? No one know for sure. Everyone's concept of God is different. Do I believe in a God? Yes. My perception of God may be different then the regular person's view.

Dear pacofunk64,

Please tell us your perception so that we can see the beauty you see in your terms. If you read the whole thread you will see that all focus on the aspects that has the most meaning to them and that is okay.

Originally posted by NeverSleepingEyes
As I think your request in the OP is fair, I'll refrain from "bashing" and answer your question:

I would describe "god" as a word people use whenever they can't deal with the many uncertainties that are surrounding us - in some cases the result of experiences that might be out of the "normal", called "spiritual" or something like that.

If I were a believer, which I obviously am not, I would not accept the sexist notion implied in your title: why should that "god" be a man by definition? why would the gender dichotomy apply to it?

Now the good thing for me is that I simply never have to deal with this, as I don't use it to lead a life and reflect upon it... science is enough for me. and the understanding it's sheer impossible to grasp it all, and it's not needed as well

Dear NeverSleepingEyes,

And you did not bash. I am not quite sure if you did respond to the question as asked, you sort of said "why" you think we believe rather than described what you would want God to be like, which I also stated in the OP; but, let us not bicker over that as you did not tell us what to believe. That can be common ground for believers and non-believers, if we allow it to.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by AQuestion

 

I agree that the best way to find God is to question everything and come to a belief inside your heart. An agnostic is searching for their personal truth. A worthy goal for anyone. Believing or saying you believe because you were taught to, or brought up that way is a sad hidden feeling that might not let you feel the love of God because you aren't looking for it. (IMHO)

But I believe God is energy. You will see, hear, smell him as you imagine him to be. But when you speak to him and he speaks back to you, it's very hard not to accept he is there.

And those that claim they don't believe probably wouldn't enter into a discussion on God if they didn't have some question in their mind that needs answered. Everyone is searching for something, weather they know what it is or not.

Dear NetworkDude,

Again, some great thoughts that we can all consider while we go on our search. The person who finishes a journey is never the exact same as the one who began it. I believe all are searching for some answers and there is a time to everything; however, there is also a time to just sit and listen as we hear what others have learned on their journey and tell what we learned. If I am interested in learning about Tahiti then when someone tells me there is no Tahiti I don't have much more to learn from them. If someone tells me they loved it or hated it or discussed the clothes or the trees, I can learn about what I am asking. If they don't ask me about God then I will not tell them about my beliefs; but, they shouldn't attempt to tell me I have no right to believe or belittle them just because i will not conform to their belief set, that is an attempt at tyranny. I used your post to add some thoughts regarding why I couched the question in the OP the way that I did. Peace.

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as always gemelo sjaels fraend...
never as simple and never enough said, i love your way to describe him/her

"god" (often misused and misinterpreted) is just one word offered by religions in this realm same as the word "Dios" in my language, I respect all the names bro/sis have for him/her but i dont named it god.
For me god or dios its "the source", the max creator, the universe itself.
The source can not be limited to a single name or religion even
I know sacred texts but i dont follow any religion in special,
I follow my heart, innervoice... the source is there and when we are balanced we can hear it.

Yes agree, its exist.

Love, light, wisdom

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur

Originally posted by AQuestion
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Dearest AdamsMurmer,

I pray that you like where this is going. No leaders, just sharers of our love. Why must others say we are haters when we are not as we live our faith and you only live it when you know love, all faiths teach that somewhere. They just mess up their priorities. In my bible it says "Your tradition makes void the word of God". Tradition, unthought beliefs, not thought out ones. Think about this, I am old and you I believe are younger, you have so much time. If what we learn here today from others, from all of us, not me and not you, all of us. If you learn that all of us want to love one another in the end, then that will impact how you act later and how others learn what is possible. Here is where it gets wild, this has already occurred, we have already learned and learned to our core because we experienced enough to know it is the truth, we can be different and love one another, you understand that more than anyone else. LOL, your username.

One who tried to stop this thread from being well managed was ManOnTrial, think about his username. It says that the Devil is before God, day and night accusing us. I always ask other of what does the Devil accuse us, perhaps he accuses us of not having complete love.

I'm not too sure how to respond to this, except, thank you.

The Accuser... other than being the people we meet in our lives, to me he is the ego, the I, the Self, the shackles that say "You're not good enough to do/be _____."... from this stems man's selfishness, greed, inability to coexist, pride, envy, and so on. From these things it's so easy to be twisted (wicked) into worse things, eventually falling down the spiral of hate, wrath, gluttony, intemperance, intolerance, etc. When I looked at the correlation, and looked at several other things like the Buddhists journey to liberate oneself from their ego, the deeper meaning of the crucifixion (crossing out the I), I started to feel free. I kept saying, "Others, Lord, others." Not giving my own life a second thought because I know I'll be taken care of... we don't need to tell God what we need, right? He knows.

So I started thinking of others even more. I have always been empathetic and compassionate for others more than myself, but there was still hate in my heart, still rage, still depression. Those were shadows I wanted to leave behind. I have lived as a bipolar person for some time. Can you imagine feeling intense rage and depression at the same time? The feeling that your soul is screaming while your eyes and heart tremble. All those things were intensifying, I had to get rid of them. So I did just that. I let go of material/earthly bonds. I just floated away. This was me fasting from the world. It was a bumpy ride but when I saw all as One, when I realized the combination of the Golden Rule with the idea of at-one-ment, when I realized a slap on the face to another (be it my friend, brother, or enemy) was a slap on one's own face, I saw that our little differences or lifestyles ultimately don't mean much as long as we hold true to love, and all the things that love brings, for one another. If Love is God, and God is Light, then Love is Light, and with Light, you have the spectrum like on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon logo. Each different colour is another aspect of love, like compassion, empathy, humility, and so on. I try to keep all that in my heart, and leave no room for darkness. The prism in that logo, to me, is a good way to see our bodies and hearts, with God's light coming into us, and the spectrum being God's will coming out from us. To fill my heart with darkness is far worse than death. Now I look at everyone with equal eyes regardless of what they believe or how they live their life - even the poorest or "worst" people of society can precede the self-proclaimed "holy man" if he sticks to God's will (Matthew 21:28-32). Things are clearer now. I can smile again.

I remember speaking to a girl a few years ago, someone I believe as being very special to me, and we talked about love and smiling, and so on (her name meant "smile," which I remarked as ironic because she had a hard time smiling herself). I didn't have many answers back then or even the right answers. I do now. When I tried to answer her back then, I had to really try, like looking around in the darkness to find a needle. But now, things are lit up, I see it, it's right there, and I can share it properly now. And as I'm writing this, this passage came into my head: “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." And while this passage has to do with judgement, I see another possible interpretation of it. From the Gospel of Thomas is the other interpretation I meant, even using the same parable as Matthew: (25) Jesus said, "Love your brother like your soul, guard him like the pupil of your eye."
(26) Jesus said, "You see the mote in your brother's eye, but you do not see the beam in your own eye. When you cast the beam out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to cast the mote from your brother's eye."

No wonder I was crying, angry, unable to smile, had a hard time grasping unconditional love, and couldn't see clearly -- I had something in my eye.

I started this post having no idea what to say, but I raised my hand up into the air and all this kind of just happened. I'm glad to be able to share it anyway, regardless of why or how. It would be selfish of me not to share.

Dear AdamsMurmer,

I continue to anxiously await your words. I enjoy each post and love learning about your personal experience. I have a guy staying at my apartment, he was a professional poker player and was homeless for a time. He had spent a life of extreme selfishness He had been addicted. He found God, his understanding of God and while he was living on the streets he would read the bible under street lamps. He had changed his ways, found God and was living on the streets. He was happier on the streets knowing love than he had been in his previous life. He gives to every homeless person he sees, talks to them and gives out food to them. He has a decent job and is moving forward with his life.

The accuser, the accuser is guilt, yes, our conscience feeling guilty, that is why all the anger and turmoil, that is why they do not like to be seen for what they are. They put themselves out there as being intelligent or gentle and then try to guilt you and ridicule you. In my previous thread they lost their minds in anger and avoidance. They don't want us to forgive ourselves or others, that is an expression of love and that is what they truly hate. When we free ourselves from hate, all that remains is love and if we love then we have a need to give back rather than take that which was not lovingly offered. Peace.

Originally posted by joechip
Is anyone familiar with the "Path of Tears?" I found this site and it really resonated with me.

www.cyquest.com...

In this cosmology there is a definite difference from anything I've read before, and quite radical understanding of "God." It blew my mind.

I have always found explanations of "the separation" or split between "created" and "creator" lacking and intuitively wrong, or at least incomplete, even those that don't expressly blame humanity, still tend to make little sense in that "God" is always accepted as infallible and perfect. This is another take on it.

sorry it's so long..I tried to cut it more, but it didn't lend itself to that....

Eventually the pressure grew to the point of explosion, and our careful plan of splitting into two entities was shattered. Some of our essence went flying off into the voids of space. Some has yet to be recovered. Nevertheless, although the break wasn't clean or balanced, there were two large essences come into being as a result of the explosion that could possibly have carried out the plan, if they had remembered the plan.

Unfortunately, the trauma of birth and the essence missing from both from the explosion, meant they had little to no consciousness for a very long time, and virtually no memory of the original plan. That was the 2nd thing that went wrong. They didn't remember the plan. The third thing that went wrong was that what had originally been planned as a mild imbalance in energy that could be the need that drew them back together, became a greater and greater imbalance. The way the split took place caused more of the "want to slow down" essence to glom together, and the "want to speed up" essence to glom together. The fears in each caused them to blame the other for the pain they were experiencing. This could have been got over, if they had been able to approach each other gently and with some initial exchange of essence to lessen the extreme imbalance.

We had planned that this first exchange would be a glorious discovery of mutual pleasure, a give and take like making love, where each one discovers the other has exactly what was needed and is grateful and celebratory and seeking further union. What happened instead was, upon waking into consciousness, both parts felt alone and separated as we had never felt when we were ONE. The explosion had sent them too far apart, for one thing. And for another, it had made them forget that there even was any "other". That meant their need and feelings of incompleteness seemed helpless of remedy, hopeless of relief. If you have ever experienced feelings of starvation or extreme thirst with no relief in sight you will have an inkling of what this initial experience was like. Separation and incompleteness triggered each into stark survival terror.

We had never felt incomplete before. We had never been without wholeness. It was terrifying. This unholy need-terror also reminded them each of their birth terror, and they responded to it according to the energetic polarizations they had split into - one tried to hold still around the fear, and wait, and became energetically more dense. The other pushed outwardly, trying to take control of the fear, seek its source, and essentially get rid of it, make it stop. This "pushing" essence was of a less dense energy to begin with, and had more of our ability for what we would call thought. But it had little tolerance for slowness or the fear it carried, and its response to the feeling of being incomplete was to push, again, on the need, to get rid of it and stop the feeling of need. Now, in the first splitting, we had activated our ABILITY to split our own essence. This enabled the "pushing" essence to split itself as well, by pushing outwardly it continued to split off parts of itself. It literally threw its own need and much of its own survival fear away, whenever those parts came close to conscious awareness.

from The Original Plan
www.cyquest.com...

There's alot more to the site...most of its involved with healing the soul...this snippet was the exception in that it got into cosmological origin story. Interested in people's take on that.

Thanks.

edit on 6-6-2011 by joechip because: clarification and addition

Dear JoeChip,

What a wonderful snippet. So glad you joined the thread and shared that with me. I compare it to the big bang myself. An explosion of sentience, apart and yet still part of the whole, we just have to see that we are part of a greater sentience, that is my summary of what you posted. There is a song by the Jefferson Starship called "Find your way back", you might enjoy listening to it.