A Better World Without Men?

reply to post by 2manyquestions

Good points, but I cannot agree with this reworking and reiteration of male stereotypes.
If women are involved in trafficking women and benefit financially (and in some cultures they run the brothels) then both genders are involved. It doesn't matter if the customer is only male (which I also hear is not entirely true).
As you say "boys and girls" are traded in the sex industry, but there are many more domestic slaves in the female sphere.
As far as female serial killers go - I'm not so sure. There's quite a lot.

Men do not run things any more.
The politically correct academia runs things and produces the legal classes - and it is unfairly biased towards feminism.
Therefore men must organize for justice, as some father's groups have already done for a while.

If men are too violent then more women should agitate for female conscription, or the dropping of potential male conscription.
Men are getting mixed signals of what they are supposed to be, and violence cannot simply be switched off at one moment, and on at another.

As for female bullying - good luck on that one.
It would be a right Jerry Springer show if women didn't contain themselves for the benefit of men.

As for dictators - they all have a smug woman behind them.
If women were that noble they could stop human rights abuses.
After all: "The hand that rocks the cradle..."
In a Greek myth they went on a sex strike to great effect, to stop a war, for example.
That's a myth, but it shows the power that women can have collectively.

But I agree with a lot of your points.
I'd just say that the problem is constructed masculinity, and nothing inherently inside men.
And women keep that constructed masculinity going too.

I'd love to see you on some gay threads, where these conservative women come and say: "We want real, strong men"!
The aggressive attitudes of your sisters will not change if men are gone.
If women put their foot down, they can stop these things.
Two gender roles react to each other.
But most of your sisters won't, because they benefit from male violence.

Originally posted by 2manyquestions

Originally posted by subtopia
You forgot that all men begin as women within a female and then are reliant upon a female to survive.

Look at the cause of the problem to find the answer. You think that you need to be in control and probably have never questioned what it actually means to be in contol.

Women in Saudi Arabia CANNOT drive a car do the women in America say, well I wont buy fuel derived from there until they can, doubt it.

The world would change in three weeks if every woman around the world simply said no.

Are you suggesting that women are responsible for a man's violent behavior?
I don't want to be in control of anything except myself. Why is it that women in Saudi Arabia "cannot" drive a car? Did they choose to never learn? Did they choose to avoid going to school? Or did men in their society forbid them from doing so, imposing their physical strength upon them? If you've never been a victim, maybe it's hard for you to imagine why a woman threatened and overpowered by her society's views would continue to subject herself to such abuse. The fear of being beaten or killed for her misbehavior is enough to stop many of them from rising up. What I say here in America makes very little difference as to what happens in Saudi Arabia.

Well if you look at this way, we do cause a lot of the arguements that men fight over, sex, woman, and power. So I would say yes we are the negative force in the universe, men are the positive force, as they control their drama more, while we live for drama, and are more emotional. Not trying to offend it is the truth. Let me just say woman can be very nasty when comes to other females. Not only do females see other females as competition, but I can't tell you how many fights I have gotten into with women over a boy! I have, punched, kicked, scratched, and pulled hair on females as they would either attack me or vice versa. All for a male species.

We are also the life bringers as well as the destroyers, I know women will get pissed with this but it is true. To say that woman do not cause violent acts in men is just ignorance. We are the cause of all violence, envy jealousy, and pride. Don't believe me, look it up. I wish you much luck in our skewed view. i do not think we need to get rid of men or women, but we all need to control and balance ourselves out, if we are to live in peace. Has nothing to do with men, it has to do with balance!

reply to post by 2manyquestions


I think if more of the world would adopt an adult, mature stance about sex and sexuality we could a get along a lot more well. I've read about legitimate red light districts in Europe where sex crimes are almost non-existent. The only place I've heard of in the USA where the sex trade is legal is in Nevada or Las Vegas, and it costs a bundle.

Going through puberty and the teen years is hell on earth for a lot of guys. No outlet for many, people mature at their own speed. Some get to date, sex have sex, but overall its pathetic. The amount of unwanted teenage pregnancies indicates the USA fails to teach its children well.

As usual, if you have the $$$ you can find a slew of 'escort' services online or in social publications. The average fellow has bills to pay and goes without this luxury. If he risks a little strange for pay on the street he may easily wind up being on a public Sex Offender List for the rest of his life. It is pathetic that our Government pretends sex isn't healthy and fun while waving a Bible in one hand while touching themselves with the other. Hypocrites.

Another thing that doesn't help make men happy is the amazing amount of identical stories you hear of wives who forget what sex is not long after the wedding band goes on. Children become the primary focus in many households as hubby turns into a walking paycheck and nothing more. Even childless households have their share of couples who don't even sleep in the same bed after 'X' amount of years. It's so sad that the love and intimacy is lost. Those tender moments are among the finest in life. And women wonder why so many men cheat. pffft!

There are also too many men who are in need of counseling who are out walking around with the wrong thing in their mind. Most guys have this animal-like mentality that shouldn't exist after age 19-21, when they finally know better. Raging hormones are one thing but come on. If you aren't in charge of your sexuality, your sexuality is in charge of you.

I'm aware that Big Pharma and Psychiatry are much hated on ATS. Yet there is a side effect of some forms of mental illness; 'hyper sexuality'. In an undiagnosed or untreated patient this is like teen male hormones run amuck times 2 whether you are 17 or 38. In a self-medicating patient (abusing substances or alcohol) this leads to making poor choices: multiple sex partners, aggressive sexuality, etcetera. Not good. These people legitimately need help.

And last, as common sense too quickly gets pegged as 'eugenics' by some, I still have to mention that an over-abundance of people that should never have children around them 'parent' babies every day that are abused & neglected, never seeing a good day, who grow into unwell adults that are a threat to society. While we are wise enough to assure a level of quality is met by making people go to school and get a license to cut hair, study & test for a drivers license & pass a test to sell real estate, we allow anyone who is willing to inset Tab "A" into Slot "B" and begin a new life. Babies deserve better than that, so does society in general.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
This thread to me suggests that women are not capable of violence or acts of aggression which is simply not true. Women are capable of being just as violent as men.


Besides, a world with out men would be a world with no humans after about 120 years.

Get rid of one sex and you wipe out the whole species.

So, no it would not be a better place.

Huhhh...I suggest that you read the latest scientific biology journals...Men are expendable now. Synthetic sperm is possible to produce in laboratory now. So.....A world with only women is eventually very possible. Scare as hell but possible.

Nature does not typically allow for single sex or sole source species, it is male and female for reasons that take hundreds to thousands to millions of years to play out.

Having a world of only women ; using sperm banks or other such methods would result in a bland society that would collapse within a few generations. There is no Yin to the Yang and nothing to counter-act and therefore inherently weak.
Would the society be completely lesbian..?? what would be done with women that seek Male companionship, are they killed off, chemically altered ..? This is not sustainable due to hard wiring in both sexes.

As far as Men being violent or aggressive, this is how nature insures survival of the species. If neither sex is aggressive the species tends to die out. The same aggression produces inventions and discoveries that create our world.

Forget about gender! Get rid of greed and problem solved.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


Ok. The first thing I'm going to say is, "Do you even pay attention to how women behave?"

I work in healthcare, which is dominated by women, and let me tell you something...Women are no saints. They are just as violent and vicious as men, except they do it it a more emotional and psychological way. They are cruel, backstabbing, gossiping, passive-agressive, and thrive in a world where there is constantly some drama they can stir.

To blame the worlds problems on men/testosterone is nothing but one-sided blindness and sexism. I can't believe you even posted this. Yes men tend to be more violent, and agressive, but women are more cunning and tactical. We could go on about this for days.

What it boils down to is your attempt to back feminism with scientific studies. Let's see what other wedges we can drive into ourselves.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


Honestly, its not the 'male' sex that is the problem, its more the social conditioning and lack of self control. I myself am a male, and I have controlled myself all my life from all these problems. I have not raped, murdered, beat someone down (verbally and physically) and did other wicked acts.

A world without men =
1. Like one poster said, we would be dead in about 120 years
2. The females would just take over the position of the males, therefore the problems would be here still
3. If any male or female children were around under the age of 15 i'll say, with no male or father influence because all the young adult to old adult males were gone, the male children would become feminine and the female children would become masculine. Its strange but I seen it happen.

Honestly, the world needs men, but not rapists, thugs and bullies, like the US presidents in the past 40 or 50 years. But real men, who have SELF CONTROL !! Doesnt mean you have to become a sympathetic wimp, but keep your cool, and be patient, learn to keep situations under control, and if you need to release some steam, go workout, kick some bags at the gym or something without killing or hurting others.

I think because of the convienence of today's society men dont spend much time working 'hard' and relieving their stress. Men were built to relieve stress by working hard, and so with women to an extent. Its good for our health, and good for society to work hard. Desk jobs, operators in a power plant or oil refinery, or just truck drivers defeats the purpose, and then you have to work-out on your free time to keep your stress and anger under control.

Excellent verse that explains men need to work for their own good.

Genesis 3:17 "And unto Adam he said, "Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, 'thou shalt not eat of it:' cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life"

reply to post by 2manyquestions


The thought of having a female dominated world.....no thanks.

We women are gatherers and we need hunters so we have more time to watch our soapies!

My understanding is that the majority of male criminals come from abusive situations, situations in which there is no father present, or extreme poverty. So it seems to me that such behavior is more a matter of lax and warped social conditioning for the most part.

You remember that movie Beyonce was in called Obessed? This was not meant to be a joke. You should watch that movie.

If I could become a lesbian and a man at the same time...

I would.

Aweson post OP! I too have thought along those same lines, and as for everyone whos attempting to shoot this down, she clearly did not leave out the fact that there are women out there capable of the same crimes as men..she is merely pointing out the very obvious ratio difference I cant begin to explain how much i agree with your thoughts..word for word!

A simple point is one you stated, when walking down a dark alley at night, I dont fear any woman I see, I fear any man I see...even though both are equally capable of dreadfull things.

The question is..as someone has pointed out...If it was just women in the world, would we replace the greed that seems to overcome most men? But then again in a world full of women what radical changes would we make? I've always veiwed women as the much more down to Earth rational type tho, maybe we would change the world for the better on so many levels we can erase greed as there would be no need for it?

Or maybe we would destroy the world through all our PMS lol..

who knows, but its certainly worth entertaining the thought

By the way..behind every bitch is a bastard..so maybe its win win?

reply to post by AtraxRobustus


I think you can...

it's called transexual but these days they have a new word "transgender"; hate to think what they'd come up with next LOL

reply to post by 2manyquestions


I don't even want to imagine a world without men. Yeah we all get frustrated with each other but working together we add to each other. I like men, okay sometimes I want throw my hands in the air because of them but I think the world would be much worse without them. Men and women working together make a great team. Men are not the great destroyers they are also great builders.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
This thread to me suggests that women are not capable of violence or acts of aggression which is simply not true. Women are capable of being just as violent as men.


Besides, a world with out men would be a world with no humans after about 120 years.

Get rid of one sex and you wipe out the whole species.

So, no it would not be a better place.

You answered only half of the query, really. The question was whether one of women, or of women and men who are virtually non-violent could make something work.

You're right, of course. With no males, parthenogenesis would be the only solution - which, come to think of it, I think We probably could lick at this point... But be that as it may...

I see a time approaching where the need for money has dissipated - just add free energy - and war, which throughout history has been driven by money motives, is all done virtually (holographic games), thereby having the thrill and still keeping the three Laws.

(You know the three Laws, right? If not:

Do not willfully hurt or kill another Being

Do not willfully take or damage another Being's property

Do not willfully defraud another Being

Note "Being" with a cap. That would be any who can, or by proxy another of the same species, ask for (demand) rights.)

Anyway, it will be a much better world than what We have now, We Humans on this planet. [smile]

reply to post by 2manyquestions


If there were no men on this planet I'd rather just shrivel up and die!

I like men, love having one in my life to share life things with and be intimate with.

Woman can be just as violent and hateful as men. I work with ALL women and damn are they nasty to each other. If anything women fight dirtier than men!

reply to post by 2manyquestions


Sure why not we need menopause in the oval office and a new war once a month

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Men will fight and the argument is over once and for all, women would rather have little skirmishes over the subject as many times as possible untill someone cries then its over for the day and starts back up tomorrow. Love my ladies though

Originally posted by gallopinghordes
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

I don't even want to imagine a world without men. Yeah we all get frustrated with each other but working together we add to each other. I like men, okay sometimes I want throw my hands in the air because of them but I think the world would be much worse without them. Men and women working together make a great team. Men are not the great destroyers they are also great builders.

I rarely think of other Humans in terms of Their gender... Some people I do better with than with others. [shrug] I don't want to imagine a planet with few Humans, enslaved Humans, struggling Humans or lost Humans.

I want to see a planet of engaged Humans, passionate Humans, blissful Humans, each with plenty and making the most under a Betterment Ethic, rather than a work ethic.