A Better World Without Men?

PERFECTION is an illusion, that was created due to our species inability to accept life for what it is, a coincidence. Our physical form is a coincidental genetic mutation which of course those who believe in a God they can never know cannot accept.

Originally posted by JudasIscariot
This thread reminded me of an article I read a few years ago.

Let us examine our history and see how men - the master race for all of our recorded history in almost every corner of every human civilisation - have fared so far. Applying all the fairness and equilibrium of my sex, naturally. And then I must ask myself: could women do better?

Would a world without men really be so bad?

That is a very funny article. I enjoyed that. Thanks for posting it.

reply to post by 2manyquestions


i agree, but that does not mean he will not have a few women on both arms as he enters the casino, and does not mean that he will not beable to pamper them into going home with him afterwards.

my point was simply that some men will do whatever it takes, and what women demand or 'expect' determines how much a person is going to need to get what he wants. you may disagree with his means, but there will be lots of women who will not question it.

you do not need lots of money to be loved. but it is well known the more money you have the greater chance and MORE interest you will get from women.

Originally posted by sprocket2cog
We all have our faults, male and female.
its not a matter of sex that dictates how a situation is handled, but rather the individual themselves.
While i agree alot of men take the aggressive/aggressive approach, many woman take the passive/aggressive path, which is just as nasty in a subversive way..
The best way is respect for each other, to learn why someone thinks like they do, and give creative and constructive outlets for our human emotions.

Let's discuss unlikely situations: I

1.) It's pretty unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to get attacked by a gang of females.
2.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be held up at gun point by a female.
3.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be kidnapped, raped and tortured by a female.
4.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be robbed by a female.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for males. Chance of these things happening to me at the hands of males dramatically rises. Since more males are incarcerated for violent crimes than females, it tells me there must be a difference between the two sexes. What it is I don't know, but I'd like to find out. Each individual has the power to make the right decisions, but for some reason men are more likely to take the violent path.

I just read your post on scientology. Is the question you are really asking what would a world be like without what men do, rather than the men themselves. The problem with this is that when asked most people do not know why they do what they do. "I dont know" is the number one response to a police officer when they have questioned a perp about what they have just been caught doing.

We know its wrong to pollute the air we breath, the soil water and oceans, even space yet we still keep on doing it. Why? Answer that and the world will knock at your door with a bag full of gold.

There is an extremely interesting comic book/graphic novel that has been recently released titled "Y the Last Man" which expolores a world without men in a very interesting way. A movie about the books is being produced by New Line at some point too I believe. I think that the story is fairly close to what would happen.

Beyond that, I sort of feel as though if an entire sex went missing from the human race the remaining people would lose motivation to maintain and improve society. Rampant depression and deteriorating resources would make the world a very sad place.

Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

i agree, but that does not mean he will not have a few women on both arms as he enters the casino, and does not mean that he will not beable to pamper them into going home with him afterwards.

my point was simply that some men will do whatever it takes, and what women demand or 'expect' determines how much a person is going to need to get what he wants. you may disagree with his means, but there will be lots of women who will not question it.

you do not need lots of money to be loved. but it is well known the more money you have the greater chance and MORE interest you will get from women.

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There are women who like men with money and power, this is true. However if those two things are the only requirements they have in order to sleep with you, these are not the type of women you should strive to attain. You don't have to commit a crime or hurt somebody in order to succeed in life. There are things that men expect of women as well, and women suffer internally and externally when they try to please the men they are attracted to. A woman isn't going to rob you on the street so that she can afford that boob job or nose job she so desperately needs. You get me? Women spend thousands of dollars on clothes, make-up, shoes, gym memberships, diet pills, plastic surgery and hair dressers so that they would impress men. Most of them don't take the violent path to attain these things, so why would you have to rob a bank or steal someone's jewelry to impress some girl?

reply to post by 2manyquestions


yes men may take the more physical violent path, but is mental manipulation any less of a crime?
How many fights are started by a woman turning to their male partner and saying he looked at me the wrong way...
so while men may take the first swing, sometimes the seeds of doubt are placed by a woman..
but im sure you know this.
and as i pointed out in the first post, the passive aggressive traits in women can be just as deadly..
a man who hates his family might shoot them, getting caught is likely.
a woman might slowly poison them and not get caught..
a nurse killing patients in a hospital under the radar is most likely a women from news we see that surfaces about cases like this..
i dont disagree with the male stereotype you portray, ust putting forward a similar but more subversive stereotype for woman.
but as i stated earlier, its not the gender we should be addressing, but the intent.

The answer OP is no.

The original post is stupid, illogical and spiritually ignorant.

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Originally posted by SolarE-Souljah
Your thread is highly illogical.

We need men in the world.

In my utopian view, men would each have a harem of females. Because the male would be getting sex all the time, he would be less aggressive. One male could father many many children and also look out after and lead all the women.

It is truly a foolproof plan.

I hope you were trying to be funny. Most women don't feel that they are in this world just to satisfy men sexually and bare their children. They have their own desires and minds. Women don't need to have someone standing over them and telling them how to live their lives, they can make their own decisions. Maybe men need to look harder at alternative ways of releasing the tension instead of expecting women to do so. Then again... if you're in a good relationship with a woman, that should not be an issue for you.

As for men taking care of their many, many children,.... I guess that's why we have so many dead-beat dads, because they're taking care of all those children they fathered in the moment of a one-night's passion.

reply to post by 2manyquestions

Let's discuss unlikely situations: I 1.) It's pretty unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to get attacked by a gang of females. 2.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be held up at gun point by a female. 3.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be kidnapped, raped and tortured by a female. 4.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be robbed by a female. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for males.

your right here. but you also have to take into account the pressures put on men compared to women.
lets say the roles were reversed, inorder to get the man of your dreams you must be successful and beable to provide for the family, success in the world is determined by how much money you have in your bank account and how well you can look after the family.

so being appealing to the opposite sex partly means having money and being successful. now all the man has to do is pick from the pool of women, naturally he wants to be taken care of so he will by pass all the ones wearing rags or look poor and go for someone who looks successful and beautiful.

so the women at the bottom of the social ladder want to improve their status to become more appealing. would these women act the same as men if the roles were reversed? would women hunger more for the good life and in some cases turn to crime as a means of getting there as it is their success that determines how much interest men take in them.

Originally posted by cybernetic_dude
The answer OP is no.

The original post is stupid, illogical and spiritually ignorant.

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Well,.... you certainly told me! You didn't read it, did you? No..... you couldn't have. Not with that reply.

Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

Let's discuss unlikely situations: I 1.) It's pretty unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to get attacked by a gang of females. 2.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be held up at gun point by a female. 3.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be kidnapped, raped and tortured by a female. 4.) It's unlikely (although not impossible) that I'm going to be robbed by a female. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for males.

your right here. but you also have to take into account the pressures put on men compared to women.
lets say the roles were reversed, inorder to get the man of your dreams you must be successful and beable to provide for the family, success in the world is determined by how much money you have in your bank account and how well you can look after the family.

Women also have pressures put on them. As I replied to another poster, women also spend thousands of dollars to impress men. They buy expensive clothes, make-up, shoes, plastic surgery, gym memberships, diet pills and programs, so on and so forth. A woman in this society is not without her own pressures. The difference is that she will most likely not rob you so that she can afford the $10,000.00 nose job and liposuction she wants.

If women only wanted a successful man, why is it that so many unsuccessful men are allowed to breed and father children? Not every woman looks only at a man's wallet, and if she does, most of those types of women don't want somebody who goes in and out of jail on a regular basis. Crime is not the way to be successful, or a way to get a girl.

so being appealing to the opposite sex partly means having money and being successful. now all the man has to do is pick from the pool of women, naturally he wants to be taken care of so he will by pass all the ones wearing rags or look poor and go for someone who looks successful and beautiful.

so the women at the bottom of the social ladder want to improve their status to become more appealing. would these women act the same as men if the roles were reversed? would women hunger more for the good life and in some cases turn to crime as a means of getting there as it is their success that determines how much interest men take in them.

Women in this day and age must take care of themselves. Most of them have jobs and careers they wish to succeed in. Men are not the only bread-winners these days. Most households earn two incomes. The days when a man was the only source of income are (for the most part) gone. What I'm trying to say is that there are millions of women out there who have to survive in the same society that men must survive in. In many cases these are single moms who are providing not only for themselves, but also for their children. Despite such adversity, you still don't see as many women committing violent crimes as men do. There is no excuse for violence, not even social pressures to succeed,... because there are many non-violent ways in which to succeed in life.

reply to post by 2manyquestions

Women may be less involved in violent muggings at present (although female gangs now target females even in schools).
However, they are certainly involved in scams, and are often the "honey pot" that lures victims to a syndicate.
So they will smuggle and steal for whatever they want, often taking full advantage of helpful men.

They are also involved in human trafficking - just yesterday they raided a house where a Chinese lady kept two trafficked women hostage. From what one hears about Arab countries Asian maids are often abused and kept virtual prisoners by their mistresses.

There are many female serial killers, and because they used poison on their male victims they were often not suspected, and some even got away.
The judicial system responds differently to men and women, and since men are not organized politically they will get harsher sentences.
Women abuse the feminine stereotype to harm men all the time.
Men become victims because of their own chivalry.

I just have to look at sinister women like Winnie Mandela, Grace Mugabe or Imelda Marcos to see what women will do for power, riches and sheer vanity.

And nowadays young men must take steroids, spend hours in the gym and ruin themselves physically and financially just to get a female partner.
Has anyone seen the masculine ideal in men's health magazines lately?
It's not any more realistic than what is expected of women by the fashion industry.

Then I heard a radio discussion on women bullying women in the workplace.
The backstabbing and bad-mouthing to get ahead is widespread.
If men are gone, and women have to compete only with each other it will lead to murder and civil war.
Currently they don't compete with men physically - but they will with other women.

Men have to fight every once in a while it's either for dominance or a protective instinct. Women we'll I don't even wanna get started on them.

Originally posted by sprocket2cog
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

yes men may take the more physical violent path, but is mental manipulation any less of a crime?

Yes, it is less of a crime. In fact mental manipulation is not a crime, although not much fun to endure either.

How many fights are started by a woman turning to their male partner and saying he looked at me the wrong way...
so while men may take the first swing, sometimes the seeds of doubt are placed by a woman..
but im sure you know this.

Love spats can become heated, but one should still be able to retain their composure and refrain from violence. If the girl in turn is unimpressed with the lack of your physical prowess, maybe you're dating the wrong girl. If you're defending yourself and your girl from a physical attack, in that case a violent reaction may be necessary and isn't looked down upon.

and as i pointed out in the first post, the passive aggressive traits in women can be just as deadly..
a man who hates his family might shoot them, getting caught is likely.
a woman might slowly poison them and not get caught..
a nurse killing patients in a hospital under the radar is most likely a women from news we see that surfaces about cases like this..

You're absolutely right in that there are women who commit horrific acts of murder secretively, but men still outnumber them by a very significant margin when it comes to violent crimes.

i dont disagree with the male stereotype you portray, ust putting forward a similar but more subversive stereotype for woman.
but as i stated earlier, its not the gender we should be addressing, but the intent.

I get what you're saying. My response to you is that a woman is just as capable of terrible crimes as a man, but the difference is that a woman is far less likely to act on her desire for a violent resolution than a man would be. Statistics support this.

reply to post by 2manyquestions

There are women who like men with money and power, this is true. However if those two things are the only requirements they have in order to sleep with you, these are not the type of women you should strive to attain. You don't have to commit a crime or hurt somebody in order to succeed in life. There are things that men expect of women as well, and women suffer internally and externally when they try to please the men they are attracted to. A woman isn't going to rob you on the street so that she can afford that boob job or nose job she so desperately needs. You get me? Women spend thousands of dollars on clothes, make-up, shoes, gym memberships, diet pills, plastic surgery and hair dressers so that they would impress men. Most of them don't take the violent path to attain these things, so why would you have to rob a bank or steal someone's jewelry to impress some girl?

i see this is pointless, i never said you have to commit crime to impress a woman, but if you cannot work out that some people commit crime to get money, that the reason they want money is at the end of the day to beable to impress women, then you do not get it. barring addictions the other incentives is the house and the car etc, who the hell do you think they are for at the end of the day?

if we were animals it would be simpler instead of commiting crime to get to where we want, we would fight to the death with our horns like some animals, wave our tail feathers or hit the dance and show of our dancing moves like other creatures, but we are humans, money has become our horns, it is our dancing move, it is our tail feathers, it may not of always have been so but it has become so. of course you do not need it to be able to find a partner, but it is instinct to have more of it to increase your chances or become available to a wider pool.

i never said men do not have demands i am just pointing out that all the things men do, boil down to impressing the opposite sex. regardless of wether it impresses you personally, it boils down to it.

and in currents times money has replaced most other things as a way to impress the opposite sex. yes that includes being able to provide and buy your long list of items you provided in your post.

Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by 2manyquestions

 

There are women who like men with money and power, this is true. However if those two things are the only requirements they have in order to sleep with you, these are not the type of women you should strive to attain. You don't have to commit a crime or hurt somebody in order to succeed in life. There are things that men expect of women as well, and women suffer internally and externally when they try to please the men they are attracted to. A woman isn't going to rob you on the street so that she can afford that boob job or nose job she so desperately needs. You get me? Women spend thousands of dollars on clothes, make-up, shoes, gym memberships, diet pills, plastic surgery and hair dressers so that they would impress men. Most of them don't take the violent path to attain these things, so why would you have to rob a bank or steal someone's jewelry to impress some girl?

i see this is pointless, i never said you have to commit crime to impress a woman, but if you cannot work out that some people commit crime to get money, that the reason they want money is at the end of the day to beable to impress women, then you do not get it. barring addictions the other incentives is the house and the car etc, who the hell do you think they are for at the end of the day?

Why would it be pointless? Impressing a woman is not a good excuse to commit a violent crime. I hope you're not trying to argue that shooting a clerk at the Liquor store is justified, because the killer felt the need to impress some females. Is rent, mortgage or car payment money worth a human life or a jail sentence? The answer is No.

if we were animals it would be simpler instead of commiting crime to get to where we want, we would fight to the death with our horns like some animals, wave our tail feathers or hit the dance and show of our dancing moves like other creatures, but we are humans, money has become our horns, it is our dancing move, it is our tail feathers, it may not of always have been so but it has become so. of course you do not need it to be able to find a partner, but it is instinct to have more of it to increase your chances or become available to a wider pool.

Luckily we are not animals, and we possess the ability to find other ways to find food and shelter besides killing someone else for it.

i never said men do not have demands i am just pointing out that all the things men do, boil down to impressing the opposite sex. regardless of wether it impresses you personally, it boils down to it.

and in currents times money has replaced most other things as a way to impress the opposite sex. yes that includes being able to provide and buy your long list of items you provided in your post.

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My point is that women aren't going to be impressed with your million dollars when they know you've robbed a bank and killed a couple of security guards to do it. They will be far more impressed when you've worked for it the honest way. Maybe men are misguided and don't realize that a wad of money is impressive only when it is earned through honest measures.

Why would it be pointless? Impressing a woman is not a good excuse to commit a violent crime. I hope you're not trying to argue that shooting a clerk at the Liquor store is justified, because the killer felt the need to impress some females. Is rent, mortgage or car payment money worth a human life or a jail sentence? The answer is No.

it is pointless because you keep saying things i never said.

for example i never said it was a good excuse for commiting crime. i said some people commit crime inorder to obtain money, money = MORE interest from the opposite sex. money = looking after the family.

Originally posted by Torgo

Originally posted by 2manyquestions
I myself would love to figure out what we can do to scale down on male aggression. I suppose I have more questions than answers, and I'd love to hear your feedback. Do you sometimes find yourself out of control? Do you feel like there's no other alternative to causing physical damage? I know that sports can sometimes relieve that pressure, but clearly it may not be enough. What helps you stay in control, and do you believe everyone has the ability to fight off the "natural" urge to become violent?

How wonderfully condescending. I wonder if someone asked women if they're able to control their cattiness and passive aggressiveness through cooking and sewing what the response would be. Oh well, back to the maiming and killing, eh lads?!

Condescending? I don't feel that way at all. The answer to your question about women is Yes. Cattiness and passive aggressiveness can be controlled in several ways, such as self-restraint and introspection. If you don't know yourself or don't think before you speak, you may end up hurting people. I know many women who aren't catty, I know many men who are not violent, but incarceration statistics tell me that the male sex has a far more serious problem controlling their violent behavior than the female sex.